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Jason Bourne vs. Ethan Hunt
As I read newly about the upcoming espionage films, I saw that Tom Cruise has already returned as Ethan Hunt in "Mission: Impossible - A Ghost Protocol", the fourth film in the series. I bet that Ethan Hunt is still more desirable spy than today's crappy Jason Bourne is. By the way, is Bourne actually a spy? His missions only require assassination objectives. So, Bourne is not a spy, he's just regular brutal assassin. Sadly, Bond is copying him very much but Ethan Hunt is still the classic spy we know. What do you think about this thread? What do you desire to see mostly? this new "Bourne Legacy" film where Bourne isn't even present yet? or the new "Mission: Impossible" coming on December 12th 2011?
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And quite frankly, I find it extremely refreshing to be presented with the real thing. It was attempted with Dalton but that was a bit too early for the audience to accept. Now that action flicks in general have provided with great intensity and believability, it was time for Bond to pursue the same while keeping its class and panache. What the Craig era has made me realize is how much i prefer this genre, the Craig/Dalton/early Connery, over the comedic and unbelievable caricature of a spy that Brosnan and Moore were. Don't get me wrong, I love Moore, but his Bond was a joke. He couldn't have killed a 14 year old bully in a fist fight. Perhaps the intensity is a bit much with Craig, but the change of pace over Brosnan's Bond is welcome.
I sense now that with two films under their belt with Craig, it's time or it will soon be time for his character to relax and start enjoying himself. In CR he was a rookie, and in QOS he was finishing what he had started in CR. I could see the franchise re-introduce elements like Q and Moneypenny, as well as a better relationship with M, and thus likely satisfy Craig's critics that Bond was too Bourne, and to a certain amount I agree with it, but the fact remains that I want Bond to remain believable, and we can thank MI, Bourne, 24, etc for that.
Grant and Bourne were pure assassins. They were given their targets and then went to take them out. Their job was merely to kill as a third party.
But I agree with the rest of what you said @Luds.
As for Bourne and Hunt, as much as both are healthy competition for Bond films, I can´t see the two of them much in competition. Sure, both are high class action films, but, well, Bourne is not a spy, and Hunt doesn´t have the license to kill. That makes the two of them have rather different agendas. At least as long as they stick somehow to where they came from. MI:3, 24, and Bourne all sucked the idea of internal betrayal more than dry, and it´s bad enough QOS couldn´t resist too, although you could argue that 006 from GE was the very first of them all.
Apart from that, I´m very curious what might become of both franchises. If Jeremy Renner becomes lead in both of them and they both run well it´s gonna be fun to compare Renner vs. Renner \:D/ .
There was a great thread with thoughts on this topic, if Bond is an assassin or one of two other options - which I can't remember, on the old forums. I wish I could bring it up to have a look and see what people said. It's been said recently by Simon Pegg that all these "Renner taking over M:I" rumours, are just that, rumours. The same was said about Rhys Meyers after the last film and that didn't happen. If a fifth film happens Cruise will be the star with no doubt a younger partner - who will take over. ;-)
I'd love to see a Renner vs. Renner though that would be a good fun. He could even be Bond next.
EDIT: Sorry @Luds, it seems you've already got two replys before I even posted. It must seem like we're gunning for you. ;-) We're not, or I'm not at least. :-))
Has Babs and Mickey come out and said they were influenced by Bourne? Wheres the evidence? That a few Bourne editors and directors were hired by Eon? In the narfow world of Hollywood the good "action" directors are in demand and snapped up by all manner of producers and studios.
Until it is confirmed that they were influenced by Bourne it really is fan specualtion isnt it?
So everything about the franchise is just fan speculation ? Ridiculous.
The simple answer is common sense.
http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/998/coming-soon-to-cinemas-near-you-the-upcoming-films-thread#Item_6
All three Bourne films were VERY similar so a little bit into the third one I was thinking "Again?". I still enjoyed it, but at a certain point watching the same film over and over and over becomes wearing.
Still, I doubt that either M:I or Bourne will hit 23 films.
Well i absolutely love both, both have a great 'three-films', both have great action, both have their own 'identity' as a film. I have to say that i am looking forward more towards the next installment in the M:I franschise, mainly due to the fact that i was outstanded with M:I:III, enjoyed M:I-2 and simply adored M:I's simplistic tone, that still thrills us with action. Don't get me wrong, i do also love the Bourne films, but with them taking it away from the main character of the trilogy, i can't say that i am exactly 'over-the moon' about it. And the mission: impossible films always seem to spread their films apart quite a bit in years, whereas many others just rush theirs and mainly end up with a disaster.
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For me it's Mission impossible Ghost Protocol The Dark Knight then bond 23 can't wait to see all 3.
Honestly based on the trailer alone Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol May just have the best plot of the 4 films
Ethan because he has character
that said, found the first BOURNE film pretty good to my surprise. i know the BOURNE films are based on novels but i haven't read any of them. oddly enough the story remind me of another film... THE LONG KISS GOODNIGHT in terms of the main character suffering from amnesia, to only get their memory back to find out that they are a deadly assassin for the CIA... saw the second not much so impressed haven't seen the third.
out of the two believe the MI franchise has more staying(appeal) power for the long run
because it can go and explore many directions whether its TV, films, or novels etc.
and plus its not limited to just one character, true HUNT(CRUISE) is the face of franchise now but he can be replace by a character or sets of characters and actors just as they did to GRAVES and company.
where as BOURNE could run out of steam, plus its hard to find a good substitute to BOND
:-bd
It's funny that based on some of the talk, GHOST PROTOCOL will be a hand-over film; Cruise will drop out of the franchise, with Jeremy Renner's character, Brandt, picking up the reins for future films. At the same time, Renner has been cast as Matt Damon's replacement in THE BOURNE NON-SEQUITUR (working title) ...
Bourne is solid. But for me the three films are actually the same film because of the continuation of the story. To the extent that the 3rd film starts from where the 2nd film left us. But every MI film is kind of different. Minus every film having some big stunt and a traitor.
Supremecy 6/10
Ultimatum 6.5 close to a 6.0
My general feeling about the last 2 be that better can have made 1 movie from the last 2. I get the idea CR look like more on Supremacy that movie whyle QOS look like more on Ultimatum, the other way around what people think. Before i saw them people blaime QOS look like more on Supremacy whyle i think it look like more on Ultimatum. Also hand camera thing is a bigger problem in Ultimatum then the claimd Supremecy . The last 2 movies best things are the contune thing and feels a bit strange it take 3 years before ultimate be released. For me it not realy make a lot of difrence because i saw them this year. With exeption of Identity i don't think those 2 are movies because of the plot/to short time be movies who i going to watch more then 2 times. If i have seen Ultimatum before QOS i possible have give a higher rank. Biggest problem is that there focus a lot on Bourne him self on a tv series whyle there vergot he also have a future.
Mission Impossible first view 6/10. Part of the movies plot take 2 or 3 more views to discover. In 2010 i watch it i think for the 4th of fift time and i discover the movie have a big problem to survived time. I can't remember of have seen it in the cinema too.
Mi2. 9/10. My favorite and i have seen it in the cinema. The only one who comes close to the highest ranks and views count of movies like Goldeneye/Twine or movie Spider-Man. There exist a couple of discussion threads on the old forums about or Mi2 and Spy Game be responselbel for what happend with Die Another Day and also a litle bit with Casino Royale. This moost of the time going about the mistake there make with taken the first editor not the uncredit editor for DAD. With CR there correct this mistake.
Mi3. First view 7.5/10. I feel the movie a lot in comen with the set up for a sequel element like QOS whyle Mi3 is from earlier So you can say iam a bit disapointed the story not contuned in Ghost Protocol and it take 5 years after part 3. In specialy because the introducing Jonathan Rhys Meyers chacter. I read some remours abour Renner wil take over the franchise, but if there is one i think about to take over it be Meyers. Also from this one i expect the villian wil return and Maggie Q possible going to be a villian. I don't understand people don't understand Luther not be in the fourth one, because also his chacter get first signs he not going to be in part 4 or part 4 be his last one. Of course with a title like Ghost Protocol a lot is possible and strange enough Ving Rhames his name is back on the imdb page of the 4th movie. So i hope mi5 is released in 2013 or 2014 where Mi3 end if Mi4 do nothing with it. Laurens Fishburn is fired at CSI so can come back now. About Renner, if he can't choose then i think there should give his name in Bourne the same name as in Mi4 and it be the same chacter. If not he better can leave Bourne.
For each franchise i have other expections and for Bond special rule. CR/QOS be so much difrence with Mission Impossible franchise i can't who i like more. But also there be much difrence between that franchise and Bourne. In general i say Mission Impossible because Bourne feels a bit empty also. After for a part disaster CR in my eyes i feel QOS is more the way i like to see Bond going and for Mi count the same. I like the team spirit of that franchise a lot. Bourne story is a thing i think should change, with the locations it look first there going to win from Bond. Already before i saw those 2 Bourne movies and QOS i get the feeling it be time for another TLD, Octopussy, Yolt, TMWTGG locations besides another GE. It look like the mi franchise thinking the same with being the first yusing India and Russia.
My bet is on Ethan Hunt. Bourne goes down.