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  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Apparently it is an end:

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,413
    I've just caught up with this news: this all seems a bit seedy, doesn't it? I feel like there are a lot of half-truths in there, but just the existence of something like this Comics Gate thing makes my skin crawl a bit.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,634
    Well, it honestly could go either way: game over, or hire more writers with diversity (which Dynamite HAS done for James Bond). It’s arguably lost potential, either way. I was curious for more novel adaptations and characters they could bring back, even possibly more Origin. It’s kind of a sad time to be a James Bond fan now, in more ways than one.
  • moneyofpropre2moneyofpropre2 France
    Posts: 859
    Thanks for the infos, I will see from myself (I only start a comics run after it is finish).
  • 2Wint2Kidd2Wint2Kidd
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    Was this series meant to be 6 issues or 12?
  • TR007TR007
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    Issue 6 does end rather abruptly. I wonder if it was originally meant to be 12 parts.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    Yea, I agree with you guys. This is an end, but a very open one. They clearly set a few things up to be explored further, both in the future and the past of the characters.

    From the tweet @ggl007 posted it's quite clear Ayala and Lore are done with Dynamite for now (I assume their part of Reflections of Death is done).

    I can't recall from the top of my head, but I think there hasn't really been a direct continuation by a different author. What I mean by that is, the comics have been very loosely connected story-wise and villains and secondary characters (apart from the basics: M, Moneypenny, Boothroyd, Tanner, Leiter) don't really get reused by other writers. Even SPECTRE and SMERSH are used only by one writer each if I recall correctly.
    So let's see how (if) they continue the hooks set-up in this series.
  • 2Wint2Kidd2Wint2Kidd
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    ImpertinentGoon wrote: »
    I can't recall from the top of my head, but I think there hasn't really been a direct continuation by a different author. What I mean by that is, the comics have been very loosely connected story-wise and villains and secondary characters (apart from the basics: M, Moneypenny, Boothroyd, Tanner, Leiter) don't really get reused by other writers. Even SPECTRE and SMERSH are used only by one writer each if I recall correctly.
    So let's see how (if) they continue the hooks set-up in this series.

    There were some ideas picked up in the Leiter comic relating to prosthetics that were present in the Ellis runs, but nothing substantial.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    2Wint2Kidd wrote: »
    ImpertinentGoon wrote: »
    I can't recall from the top of my head, but I think there hasn't really been a direct continuation by a different author. What I mean by that is, the comics have been very loosely connected story-wise and villains and secondary characters (apart from the basics: M, Moneypenny, Boothroyd, Tanner, Leiter) don't really get reused by other writers. Even SPECTRE and SMERSH are used only by one writer each if I recall correctly.
    So let's see how (if) they continue the hooks set-up in this series.

    There were some ideas picked up in the Leiter comic relating to prosthetics that were present in the Ellis runs, but nothing substantial.

    You're right. The Kurjak prosthetics seem to be "canon" for the entire series, although in most instances Leiter seems to be the only person wearing them. Which is slightly weird. But Warren Ellis is gonna do Warren Ellis-things...
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    Posts: 5,185
    Statement from Dynamite:
    July 29, Mt. Laurel, NJ:

    "Dynamite Entertainment is a partner in the fight for equality and inclusion. Our company was founded on these core values more than 15 years ago and they are essential to the creative process – the work of visionary artists and entrepreneurs – that we are passionate about. Intolerance has no place in our company or our industry. The impulse behind this brief association was that of helping a friend of many decades and his family, and not how that assistance could potentially affect our valued colleagues, partners, and friends. That association is behind us and this time has strengthened our resolve to continue working with the most diverse talent in creating the best comics possible."
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    00Agent wrote: »
    Statement from Dynamite:
    July 29, Mt. Laurel, NJ:

    "Dynamite Entertainment is a partner in the fight for equality and inclusion. Our company was founded on these core values more than 15 years ago and they are essential to the creative process – the work of visionary artists and entrepreneurs – that we are passionate about. Intolerance has no place in our company or our industry. The impulse behind this brief association was that of helping a friend of many decades and his family, and not how that assistance could potentially affect our valued colleagues, partners, and friends. That association is behind us and this time has strengthened our resolve to continue working with the most diverse talent in creating the best comics possible."

    What's this mean for James Bond? Hopefully, more adventures on the way! There's still 5 years on the license from IFP.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    00Agent wrote: »
    Statement from Dynamite:
    July 29, Mt. Laurel, NJ:

    "Dynamite Entertainment is a partner in the fight for equality and inclusion. Our company was founded on these core values more than 15 years ago and they are essential to the creative process – the work of visionary artists and entrepreneurs – that we are passionate about. Intolerance has no place in our company or our industry. The impulse behind this brief association was that of helping a friend of many decades and his family, and not how that assistance could potentially affect our valued colleagues, partners, and friends. That association is behind us and this time has strengthened our resolve to continue working with the most diverse talent in creating the best comics possible."

    What's this mean for James Bond? Hopefully, more adventures on the way! There's still 5 years on the license from IFP.

    I would guess they keep the license (as I don't see any legal reason to cancel it, but I most definitely am no lawyer) but might still have problems attracting and retaining talent. I could see people not being satisfied by this statement. From what they posted on Twitter before this statement I would guess Ayala & Lore and possibly Ibrahim Moustafa are done with Dynamite for now. But we will see.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    This whole PC/SJW/#/... thing is getting out of hand. It's driving a new form of censorship, albeit in lots of ways a very subtle one (not so much "you cannot include x or y" but rather "you must include x or y"), and it's a publicity nightmare. Statements and actions of any sort are scrutinized by people who don't necessarily feel compelled to "change the world" but who rather try to be the first to unmask some evil because being the first at something is more important for their social status than that something itself. Next in line is a batch of celebs and creative partners who will officially "distance themselves" after what is obviously the worst thing since the holocaust (\sarcasm), acting like crybabies who pretend to be "better than this", i.e. who would NEVER support statements of any something-ist nature (but who will silently continue to make money within an unethical system as long as they can.) It's just best to issue no official statements about anything these days, to make sure you're not caught on camera saying or doing anything and it's probably best to just publish unprinted paper in order not to upset anyone... except that I wouldn't want to do that either in case the choice of paper colour becomes the next topic of heated debate. ;-)

    What these Dynamite fellas did or supported was, perhaps, unfortunate, but was it a crime? In poor taste? Did it instigate violence? In the end, they supported a reaction to some of the oppressive tendencies that are crippling the entertainment business nowadays. It's Wertham all over again, except the other extreme. Creators who walk away from this, who feel personally offended, should understand one thing: the more they play this game, the more they themselves will feel the unpleasant side-effects. Because the last thing a creator of anything wants is for someone else telling him how to create. Maybe Dynamite could've picked a better way to handle things, maybe I even disagree with what they did. But when reading a Dynamite published comic, it wouldn't affect me in the slightest. If I let such things get to me, I'd hardly have any film left to enjoy.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,634
    James Bond Reflections of Death has been pushed up to September 29 on Amazon.com.

    https://www.amazon.com/James-Bond-Reflections-Greg-Pak/dp/1524115010/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=James+Bond&qid=1598318909&refinements=p_n_publication_date:1250228011&rnid=1250225011&s=books&sr=1-2
  • moneyofpropre2moneyofpropre2 France
    Posts: 859
    https://icv2.com/articles/previews/view/46519/preview-james-bond-reflections-death-ogn-hc

    apprently it's has been advanced for next week!
  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
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    moneyofpropre2 wrote: »
    https://icv2.com/articles/previews/view/46519/preview-james-bond-reflections-death-ogn-hc

    apprently it's has been advanced for next week!

    Great, thanks for the preview.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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  • moneyofpropre2moneyofpropre2 France
    edited September 2020 Posts: 859
    and for obscures reasons : still not realeased on Amazon (only the next week)
  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
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    Released by my Local Comic Shop yesterday. Enjoyed by me last night. Love the cover, the stories are pretty darn good too. BSE gives this book four thumbs up!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    My copy is on its way.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Dynamite's own page is now updated from the February date to 16 September 2020 as @BeatlesSansEarmuffs experienced. I've been watching for that to update the On This Day discussion.

    https://www.dynamite.com/htmlfiles/viewProduct.html?PRO=C1524115010
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  • coco1997coco1997
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    So who's read this thing? How is it?
  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
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    It's good. I think Bond is hard to write well in 22 page installments released a month apart. A proper Bond story needs several elements -- a villain w/ cool henchmen & a dastardly mater plan; at least one romantic interest; and Bond himself living the Bond lifestyle -- food, drink, tailored clothing etc. Then of course we need plenty of action, some outrageous gadgets, and a bit of input from M. Moneypenny, and Q. Hard to fit all that into just 22 pages! A graphic novel, even when it's composed of several 22-page installments all linked together by a single thread (as is the case here) gives a more satisfactory Bond experience IMHO than the individual issues of a continued-for-6-months-and-then-collected opus. My favorite Dynamite releases so far have been the adaptations of the Fleming novels... but this will do until Dynamite's Moonraker can be released.
  • coco1997coco1997
    edited September 2020 Posts: 128
    BeatlesSansEarmuffs wrote: »
    It's good. I think Bond is hard to write well in 22 page installments released a month apart. A proper Bond story needs several elements -- a villain w/ cool henchmen & a dastardly mater plan; at least one romantic interest; and Bond himself living the Bond lifestyle -- food, drink, tailored clothing etc. Then of course we need plenty of action, some outrageous gadgets, and a bit of input from M. Moneypenny, and Q. Hard to fit all that into just 22 pages! A graphic novel, even when it's composed of several 22-page installments all linked together by a single thread (as is the case here) gives a more satisfactory Bond experience IMHO than the individual issues of a continued-for-6-months-and-then-collected opus. My favorite Dynamite releases so far have been the adaptations of the Fleming novels... but this will do until Dynamite's Moonraker can be released.

    Thanks for the reply. So is this one cohesive story? I was under the impression that each of the "installments" was only loose connected, but maybe I misunderstood.
  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
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    No, your impression is correct -- the installments are loosely connected. Still, one gets enough of the different elements of a proper Bond adventure that I found the package a more satisfying read than I've experienced reading most of the single issues of the ongoing Bond series.
  • coco1997coco1997
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    BeatlesSansEarmuffs wrote: »
    No, your impression is correct -- the installments are loosely connected. Still, one gets enough of the different elements of a proper Bond adventure that I found the package a more satisfying read than I've experienced reading most of the single issues of the ongoing Bond series.

    Sounds good. Looking forward to reading it myself!
  • andybandyb
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    Can anyone confirm if this is a modern-day story or period piece?
  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
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    The time-frame is not specific. Moneypenny has been captured ("now" I suppose) and is telling her captor "Bond stories" (by definition, "past".) So in one sense, I suppose the answer to your question is "BOTH!"
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Is Blofeld the main villain?
  • TR007TR007
    Posts: 1,165
    I’m really looking forward to reading this but find it odd that it isn’t in any of my local comic book stores or available on Amazon yet. Where is everyone reading this?
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