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True, i am more excited for Origin anyway.
News on that should be just around the corner
You have various movies, video games,even radio plays...
It's hard to get excited over something that has been done a dozen times already.
If it's a straight forward book adaption (i believe it when i see it) then the Artist will be the only selling point for me
yeah, thankfully the movie adaptions game market seems to be almost dead now.
If Eon wants a straight up movie adaption for the next Bond game, they can forget about it cause no one's gonna do it for them, at least no self respecting studio anyways.
Even Rocksteady (and Telltale) did Batman only because they were able to create their own universe with the material.
I think most studios nowadays want to be creative and leave their mark.
And also i think that many studios have big interest in doing that with the Bond IP...
problem is, as you know, the rights holders
As for Casino Royale, I don't agree that there's a lot of adaptations out there for fans. There's been no games, and one movie that's actually been faithful. As good as CR is, they had to switch some stuff around due to the time period of the original novel and to meet the expectations of an audience who expected more blockbuster appeal from a straight-forward spy story. We've never gotten a truly no-holds barred, uncensored version of the story where we get it all in the proper time period. No TV movie with "Jimmy" Bond the American, no watered down comic panels with Bond being written as a "gee wiz" fellow, just a story that perfectly realizes Fleming's work. In this day and age we can get a comic that shows everything without having to worry about being "tasteful" or prudish to the market-which wouldn't have been possible in the day Fleming wrote it-so let's have at it.
I'm personally hungrier for an original Bond adventure, regardless of how many scenes it steals/borrows from existing materials or is inspired by, yet remaining in an original storyline, as long as it does remain in a plot untold before, I'm all for that. For instance, Hammerhead had a very predictable story with cliches we've seen before in various Bond films alone, but I didn't mind because I love how the story was tailored by presenting a "new adventure". I'd rather they do that.
If we're talking about 06 Royale, it's not a perfect adaptation, it couldn't be, but I think it actually surpasses the book in major ways (including Vesper and Bond's relationship) and meets it in others. It's a very clever film, and what was changed are things I approve of. A proper adaptation of a 50s novel would be very hard in the new millennium-we don't play baccarat, the outdated tech would need an upgrade, and the film would be barely over an hour if adapted as is.
I think with a graphic novel we'd be able to see the most faithful adaptation of the original outside of an HBO miniseries, which wouldn't happen.
I believe in the future once the Bond rights are released to public domain, we will see a faithful adaptation of the Fleming novels sooner or later. Of course, I might be in my fifties or sixties when they start happening, but that I believe it will. Everybody's hungry for the character, hence my belief of them all wanting a piece of the big cake.
No, we still play baccarat--I've seen it played in casinos in Lake Tahoe and Las Vegas. Nor would an hour be sufficient to cover the various attempts on Bond's life, the big baccarat battle, the pursuit and torture scene, Bond's recuperation and the long discussion on the nature of evil, the disintegration of Bond and Vesper's relationship, the contents of her letter, etc...
I agree that movie Vesper is better than the original, but I've also stated that all of Fleming's major setpieces--the card game, torture scene, and Vesper's demise, were either softened or monkeyed with by the film, which also suffers from a broken-backed structure (the original and adapted sections don't fully balance). For that reason, I wholeheartedly welcome a graphic novel that truly and fully visualizes the original story. True, the Daily Express comic strip version stuck faily close to Fleming, but it had to conform to the standards of a mass market newspaper and had fewer pages to work with than the upcoming comic.
Really Clark, this is the 21st century, and we literary Bond aficionados no longer crucify people for such remarks. We burn them at the stake.
Joking aside, I haven't kept up on Dynamite's Bond comics and would appreciate any recommendations suited for a Fleming fan--i.e., comics from writers who are familiar with the books and not interested in writing pastiches of the movies.
Now THIS Comic Book Series I will collect! Finally the original novel series into color frames in wonderful comic books. I just can't wait how this will be done! And also, with this Dynamite Series probably the chronology will be entirely intact (remember the rumble surrounding the Thunderball comic book in the Daily Mirror). Thanks @ClarkDevlin ;-)!!
I don't think Dynamite produced a Fleming oriented Bond comic yet, however, for those departments, I'd suggest Permission To Die and The Quasimodo Gambit. They do have the feeling of the Fleming-esque development of a James Bond thriller.
You're welcome, @Gustav_Graves! :D
However, Royale won't be a Series but rather a full Graphic Novel, so the entirety of the story will be released at once when it does, and as such isn't related to the current chronology that started with VARGR. It's a separate standalone entry that's simply an adaptation of a novel.
But that's what I prefer. Just one comic book (160 pages or more) at a time. This will be the entire Fleming chronology, set in the early 1950's until mid 1960's. This is what excites. Regarding the other comic books from James Bond, I haven't bought any of them yet, and if I buy them I will only buy the hardcover omnibus books, not all those separate stories.
All the fixes that the film made to the novel just feel better to me, or are those I can support in argument. I think the torture scene is able to show the absolute fear and loss of faith in Bond, while also showing us who Dan's Bond is, a bastard to the end. Like Bond admits in the novel, if he was going to go out by Le Chiffre he was going to go out hard, and that's exactly what Dan's Bond does. He keeps himself composed, mocks the man, and refuses to give in, even when his manhood is threatened. I know you preferred to see an out of it Bond slipping into unconsciousness, but I like this Bond who wills himself into keeping himself upright, if only to twist his knife in Le Chiffre. It's also probably my favorite bit of acting Dan does in the films, and that's really saying something.
The chilling nature of Vesper's death is something that makes me excuse the change to the ending, as I feel more was done with the character than Fleming bothered to do anyway. In that way, the movie gets a lot of forgiveness from because it made me care about a woman I really didn't like at all in the text, or was largely indifferent to, like she wasn't even there. When book Bond calls her a bitch, I don't fight to disagree, but I do with movie Bond. I'll always be grateful that we got Quantum of Solace to follow-up what happened in Casino, as I feel it's the Fleming story we never got. Bond's hatred and gradual forgiveness for Vesper is the thing that I'm most proud of the Craig era for tackling, and it's one of the best realized bits of drama in the entire series, easily. If not the most.
I do agree though that, with a comic book adaptation, we could for the first time see a complete and faithful take on the source that isn't held up by by being a modern story, and that doesn't have to censor itself like those of the past had to. For that alone, I want to see it done.
It will indeed be exciting to see the novel fully adapted, with no bowdlerizations and with enough space for the story to breath. They have a good chance of surpassing the quality of Daily Express comic strips. Those adaptations, from CR to GF, were solid and workmanlike, but suffered from each story having too short a run, so they felt more like digests than epics. But starting with OHMSS, the Express stories were allowed longer runs and achieved terrific results. The Express version of YOLT is especially valuable, since it's the most faithful version of Fleming's tale made yet.
If more graphic novels follow the upcoming CR, it'll interesting to see how the racial issues in LALD are handled, and I'll look forward to finally reading a full comic of TB (the Express version having been cancelled early in a snit from Lord Beaverbrook).
I haven't been following the discussion here, but I'd like to point something out:
When Casino Royale came out, Texas Hold 'Em was huge in the States. Beyond huge. Prior to CR, even I was playing Hold 'Em with friends. I can't think of another card game that was as insanely popular before or since that period when Hold 'Em blew up. It's actually really quite fortuitous that Casino Royale, a James Bond story built around a card game, came out when it did. There was absolutely no way they were going to make the central card game baccarat (or anything else) instead of Hold 'Em. For what purpose? Loyalty to Fleming, in spite of the insanely popular card game that had taken America by storm? And Hold 'Em really isn't that complex of a game either, though I agree the film didn't do the greatest job with René "Exposition" Mathis. I also find it very unlikely that Casino Royale (2006) would have set off a baccarat craze. I don't recall the film having that big of an impact on Hold 'Em culture at the time.
I am with Revelator on this one.
It's not about which game is easier to understand. The book does far more hand holding about baccarat than the film does poker, it's just that poker was more fitting to the themes of the story they were telling. Deceit, bluffing, tells, people hiding things behind a tick, etc. All that is played up far better with poker, and as @Some_Kind_Of_Hero mentioned, poker was having a major resurgence around the time and felt more culturally fitting than baccarat.
We know Southworth isn't doing Royale, so I do hope Aaron Campbell, who did the art for Felix, gets to do it since Fay Dalton would be too much to hope for.
To suggest another artist who hasn't been getting enough recognition, sadly, may I showcase Wayne Downey?
Full coverage of his work:
http://www.comicartfans.com/searchresult.asp?txtsearch=Wayne Downey
I cannot find any reason not to love Fay Dalton!
As for the new artist, Denis Calero, I haven't heard of him. So, I'll simply check him out and see if he's any good.
He's apparently done a lot of variant covers for the many series of other Dynamite books, so it makes sense why Calero would be bumped up from cover artist to panel artist.
Wait... Where is that image from @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 ?
I don't wanna read to much into it but could it mean that Calero is already working on the CR follow up?
then we leave it at that for now.
From what i have seen so far of Calero, he seems quite capable.
definitly a better pick than the other fella
https://www.newsarama.com/35004-felix-leiter-adrift-in-james-bond-spin-off-finale.html#s2
just click on the 'preview' button on the image
Oh and Dennis Calero pretty much just confirmed on Twitter that he is doing CR lol
Kill Chain #3
On Sale: 20. September
Cover A: Greg Smallwood
Synopsis: