Dynamite's Bond comics and graphic novels

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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I actually share the same concern with you on the Young Bond books, Brady. They treat Bond as if he were some sort of a symbolic hero in the making and has to find himself to be one of those messiahs later on to stop villains from taking over the world, etc. That's what I don't want to see in the Bonds. No childhood training "to grow up and become the hero we deserve". Because, Bond is not Batman, Superman, or whatever. Both the literary character and the cinematic character.

    But, I believe a connection with the Horowitz-written prequel and the rest of the Fleming novels will definitely be made, since Dynamite's deal with Ian Fleming Publications is rather strict. I don't think they'll allow backgrounds being bent and changed in a timeline that represents the events prior to Fleming's novels in their original time frame, as opposed to, let's say, Miles Messervy in the modern setting being of African descent as well as being a former military officer rather than a naval commander.
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    JET007 wrote: »
    I can see that. Maybe with some Klaus Janson inks?
    Yes, something like that. Only slightly, of course. Prefer John Romita, Jr. and Klaus Janson to this.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    I guess it depends what kind of relationship Dynamite and IFP have, and what liberties they are allowed to take with what can be shared across mediums.

    I personally don't care, either way. Horowitz seems okay, but Fleming is the only authority worth reading on Bond and anything else is glorified fan fiction in my eyes. As for Young Bond, I don't like the stretched credibility of Bond having all these crazy adventures as a lad to foreshadow all the crazy things he does as an adult. Part of what makes the Fleming books interesting is how you gradually see Bond shocked and shaken by what he sees and must do to survive his villains, implying that he's not used to such bizarre and dangerous conflicts up to CR. It doesn't then make much sense to believe that he'd had adventures as a kid too that acquainted him with danger and other elements.

    Same same. I never liked th 'young....' etc. series, none of them. It takes credibility away from the original stories.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @CommanderRoss, I'm not a fan of any series that digs into an established character's background and says, "You know who they are as an adult, but guess what they did as a kid?"

    I understand that there are young Sherlock Holmes mystery books too, which don't bug me as much as the Young Bonds, as I would expect for Sherlock to sort of test out his investigative senses before we meet him as an adult. But if he's written into wild, dangerous adventures, I think that stretches credibility too much anyway as it does with Fleming Bond. All of the danger and biggest threats to our heroes should be in the books they're most famous for.

    I've just never been a continuation guy period, though. I love both Bond and Holmes too much to read things not written by Fleming or Doyle. I just don't see the point, really, and don't see myself carving out the time to read continuation novels of any characters I like in the future.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    @CommanderRoss, I'm not a fan of any series that digs into an established character's background and says, "You know who they are as an adult, but guess what they did as a kid?"

    I understand that there are young Sherlock Holmes mystery books too, which don't bug me as much as the Young Bonds, as I would expect for Sherlock to sort of test out his investigative senses before we meet him as an adult. But if he's written into wild, dangerous adventures, I think that stretches credibility too much anyway as it does with Fleming Bond. All of the danger and biggest threats to our heroes should be in the books they're most famous for.

    I've just never been a continuation guy period, though. I love both Bond and Holmes too much to read things not written by Fleming or Doyle. I just don't see the point, really, and don't see myself carving out the time to read continuation novels of any characters I like in the future.

    I had mostly the same sentiment, (and still have when it comes to 'young......'), but I did try some of the continuation novels. Some are fairly good (Colonel sun) some are appaling (Devil may care). All in all it hasn't really worked, but as with the films, I'm still interested in the 'new direction'. Except for the feeling that the films, for they have their own universe, can continue, whereas Fleming's has ended. For me comics are a new medium, like film. So it might work. But we'll see.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @CommanderRoss, there may be a time when I'm more open to continuation novels, but there's too much out there to read for me to experience something in Fleming's timeline not written by the man. And I think that's really the issue I have with continuations, books written by people sort of taking official or unofficial ownership of something that isn't theirs with the possibility of their books being canon to the originals.

    Like you said, films and comics can be their own thing and they don't upset me as much, as there is a visual element to them and Bond can be different in either example, beyond even both mediums having their distinct "rules" or styles. But when you're talking about a book all you have is text, and that was Fleming's battleground. I'm instantly sort of hesitant to read something by a writer who is attempting to write for Fleming's Bond in the 50s/60s period, while only Fleming can do that with any credibility. Whereas the films and comics can take inspiration for Fleming, but are doing more on their own and not exactly riding the coattails of Fleming to the degree a novelist would be. And any books for instantly have to be compared to the originals, which wouldn't bode well for them. I've tried to read some of the recent continuation books, but it's not been a successful endeavor.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    @CommanderRoss, there may be a time when I'm more open to continuation novels, but there's too much out there to read for me to experience something in Fleming's timeline not written by the man. And I think that's really the issue I have with continuations, books written by people sort of taking official or unofficial ownership of something that isn't theirs with the possibility of their books being canon to the originals.

    Like you said, films and comics can be their own thing and they don't upset me as much, as there is a visual element to them and Bond can be different in either example, beyond even both mediums having their distinct "rules" or styles. But when you're talking about a book all you have is text, and that was Fleming's battleground. I'm instantly sort of hesitant to read something by a writer who is attempting to write for Fleming's Bond in the 50s/60s period, while only Fleming can do that with any credibility. Whereas the films and comics can take inspiration for Fleming, but are doing more on their own and not exactly riding the coattails of Fleming to the degree a novelist would be. And any books for instantly have to be compared to the originals, which wouldn't bode well for them. I've tried to read some of the recent continuation books, but it's not been a successful endeavor.

    Nope, feel the same. You might want to try Kingsley Amis' Colonel Sun, imo the only one who made a decent effort, but still you'll be annoyed by the fact that it isn't Fleming.
  • edited March 2018 Posts: 859
    Strangly enough, while hardcover verssion of CR is still programmed to the 13 march, the kindle verssion have been delayed to the 28th...
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I don't think CR will come out this month, mate. My predictions are either it will come out on 13th of April for the novel's 65th Anniversary, or on 28th of May later this year for Fleming's 110th.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    Dynamite comics has a special Edition listed on their Website with artist autographs, release date for it is May, that might be a hint.
    I gave up on predicting. Honestly i am pretty tired of checking all the time and be dissapointed again.
    Just give me my Kill Chain Hardcover for now and i'll be fine. Also i believe Folio will reveal their next Bond Book tomorrow.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Yeah, it was supposed to come out at the end of November 2016, and here we are, already in the middle of Q1 of 2018.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    Yeah, it was supposed to come out at the end of November 2016, and here we are, already in the middle of Q1 of 2018.

    Yes and we are nowhere closer to knowing when the actuall release will be :))
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    00Agent wrote: »
    Yeah, it was supposed to come out at the end of November 2016, and here we are, already in the middle of Q1 of 2018.
    Yes and we are nowhere closer to knowing when the actuall release will be :))
    Nope. :))
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    Up until yesterday Amazon had Casino listed for a March 13th release.

    Checked it just now and it's changed yet again (surprise, surprise) to April 4th!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    And it will keep delaying. It's either coming out on April 13th, or May 28th. ;)
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    I find it strange that the Kindle version was so retarded to the hardcover ; now we know why.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I'm still wondering, like many members here, if its release is going to coincide with the James Bond Origins: The War Years comics.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    If so then it was definitly not planned from the Start. The earliest release window for war years would be june atm as we have all solicitations until may from Dynamite.
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    Based on this tweet, it sounds like the plan is definitely to do Live and Let Die if CR sells well:

  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    WHAT?!
    They had 2 years to finish LALD, i hope he is joking. Not gonna wait 2 years for this one.
    And by the way, if they'd release the damn book already, i would buy it.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    00Agent wrote: »
    WHAT?!
    They had 2 years to finish LALD, i hope he is joking. Not gonna wait 2 years for this one.
    And by the way, if they'd release the damn book already, i would buy it.
    +1. What this man who deserves a trophy said.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    00Agent wrote: »
    WHAT?!
    They had 2 years to finish LALD, i hope he is joking. Not gonna wait 2 years for this one.
    And by the way, if they'd release the damn book already, i would buy it.
    +1. What this man who deserves a trophy said.

    Thanks Clark. That tweet pissed me off quite a bit.
    Van Jensen confirmed back in 2015/2016 that he will start working on LALD right after CR (idk how long he needs for a script but by now he could be done with more than half of the books)
    And Calero could have started working on the art right after CR as well, beginning of December. Or they could have hired a different artist, which they will inevitably do at some point.
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    00Agent wrote: »
    WHAT?!
    They had 2 years to finish LALD, i hope he is joking. Not gonna wait 2 years for this one.
    And by the way, if they'd release the damn book already, i would buy it.

    Hear hear!
    I can understand them wanting sales for the book to be high but it's a bit rich preaching for the fans to buy the book when they keep messing us around with the release date. I've come dangerously close to losing interest given the schedule changes.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    00Agent wrote: »
    00Agent wrote: »
    WHAT?!
    They had 2 years to finish LALD, i hope he is joking. Not gonna wait 2 years for this one.
    And by the way, if they'd release the damn book already, i would buy it.
    +1. What this man who deserves a trophy said.

    Thanks Clark. That tweet pissed me off quite a bit.
    Van Jensen confirmed back in 2015/2016 that he will start working on LALD right after CR (idk how long he needs for a script but by now he could be done with more than half of the books)
    And Calero could have started working on the art right after CR as well, beginning of December. Or they could have hired a different artist, which they will inevitably do at some point.

    Don't think that's entirely fair. Van Jensen may be doing some starting work on L&LD but I'm sure Dynamite are waiting to see how CR sells before the higher ups go about signing the team on for another adaptation. The costs of production must meet profit and a return on investment, and if that doesn't happen the books won't continue. And I don't blame Dynamite, as these comics are reportedly underwhelming in the sales department anyway and they have to be sure they're not burning money. It's hard enough to profit in such an industry, even with good sales.
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    Preview of The Body # 3 here :

    https://cbr.com/james-bond-the-body-3/

    Hum, I wonder what it is they censored. A Svastika, maybe ?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I can hardly wait for a decent title other than The Body. Whatever happened to the James Bond saga? It seems to have been put on hold.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    I can hardly wait for a decent title other than The Body. Whatever happened to the James Bond saga? It seems to have been put on hold.
    There really isn't much going on at the moment. And after the god awful last issue of the Body it's hard to get excited for the rest of them.

    Well, at least we'll finaly get CR next month, together with the Kill Chain Hardcover.

    I hope Dynamite will finally announce War Years this week with their June solicitations.
    I'll take anything new at this point
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited March 2018 Posts: 5,185
    JAMES BOND: THE BODY #6 (of 6)
    Cover A: Luca Casalanguida | Writer: Aleš Kot | Art: Luca Casalanguida

    A pub. A meeting between old friends. But is it just what it seems? All threads of The Body converge, and Bond has to face the consequence of his actions.

    JBBody06-06011-A-Casalanguida-233x350.jpg

    Out in June.

    Beautiful Cover by Casalanguida as always.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    00Agent wrote: »
    JAMES BOND: THE BODY #6 (of 6)
    Cover A: Luca Casalanguida | Writer: Aleš Kot | Art: Luca Casalanguida

    A pub. A meeting between old friends. But is it just what it seems? All threads of The Body converge, and Bond has to face the consequence of his actions.

    JBBody06-06011-A-Casalanguida-233x350.jpg

    Out in June.

    Beautiful Cover by Casalanguida as always.
    I was about to say the same thing. This man knows his Bond.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    They were lucky to get Casalanguida. I haven t gotten hold of any of his Bond, but have seen some of his other work, such as B.P.R.D.
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