Hold on to your cup of black coffee and slice of cherry pie...'Twin Peaks' is back!

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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Really hope we get a fourth season though it would be years aways, Frost and Lynch have not ruled out the possibility.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I certainly hope so. I loved the new season, but didn t care much for the ending.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I certainly hope so. I loved the new season, but didn t care much for the ending.
    Judy had completely taken over in the last episode that's the way I saw it, it was born of Judys wrath for Laura being saved by Coop. The woman (Mrs Tremond version 3) in Laura's house at the end is a Lodge spirit.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Very possible, but I still would have preferred a different way to wrap it up.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Very possible, but I still would have preferred a different way to wrap it up.

    Lynch does like to leave things ambigious, I am looking forward to rewatching season 3 I am waiting until the Bluray Boxset drops in price then I'll analyse it to death.
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    In the days following the finale I recall reading an interview with Kyle MacLachlan where he was asked about the ending, and he said something to the effect that he knew it was near the end of the script he was given but he did not know it would be the ending. Which I thought was interesting. Makes me think Lynch did some improv in the editing suite.

    If I had to guess the ending as written, I might go with the ending of Ep. 17. And if that's the case, it would debunk certain theories about the ending of Ep. 18. But as @Fire_and_Ice_Returns mentions, Lynch likes to leave things ambiguous, so I can entirely see why he may have rearranged scenes, if that is indeed what happened.

  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Lynch likes to explore the three realms of imagery, dreams and reality I think we see characters in season three existing in these different realms Coop arguably appears in all three realms.

    Episode 17's Scooby Doo ending is interesting as Lynch is giving the type of ending many fans would like, Episode 17 is the ending that fits with the nostalgia of seasons one and two. Episode 18 has an ending similar to Mullholland Drive, Episode 18 is a cold and harsh reality that to me was very impactful, at the end the two protagonists to me were in a completely helpless and terrifying situation.
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  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    edited August 2018 Posts: 2,722
    Just went to an evening with Twin Peaks stars. Was a good, fun panel with Sheryl Lee, Al Strobel, Kimmy Robertson, Michael Horse, Dana Ashbrook and executive producer Sabrina Sutherland. In many ways Sabrina had the most interesting new information I'd heard. Particularly about the script and pre-production of season three and how it was filmed as one giant feature film and then split into shows.

    Then on the way home happened to walk past the stage door and chatted to Kimmy Robertson and Sheryl Lee! Got a photo with Hawk as well! Lovely people, very friendly and open.
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    That's amazing. Where was this?
    Any interesting tidbits to share?
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    edited August 2018 Posts: 2,722
    This is in Auckland, New Zealand - they're visiting here and Australia. The crowd wasn't huge - it's a fairly niche show and NZ is not a largely populated country even in its largest city. So there were only a couple of hundred people tonight.

    The focus of the evening was mainly centred on Season 3 which was smart as most of the original seasons and Fire walk with me have commentaries and documentaries made ages ago so I'm pretty familiar with those stories.

    For season 3 The actors were only given their individual scenes - they generally didn't know how it fit into the wider story. The exception was Kyle Machlan who had everything until the final episode - that was kept from him until very close to shooting. There was no ad-lobbing allowed - and apparently Lynch even reined in Jim Belushi from improvising.

    Al Strobel and Dana Ashbrook waxed lyrical about the legendary Episode 8 of Season 3 - saying it was their favourite episode.

    The actors saw the premiere of the first two episodes at a special screening but then had to watch the show week to week like the rest of us!

    As executive producer Sabrina Sutherland has the most insight because Lynch and Frost told her the whole story before they even completed the script. Then she and Lynch went over the finished scripts multiple times to break them down so she could organise shooting schedules and crew. She also played the small role of the floor attendant in the initial casino scenes with Dougie jones.

    They had a budget and a delivery date. Showtime thought they'd only be delivering nine episodes!

    She said it was difficult for Kyle as he would sometimes have to swap between his three characters on the same day. Even though they would schedule as best they could to not do this sometimes it was unavoidable.

    Laura Dern and Naomi Watts' roles were written with them specifically in mind.

    The questions of whether something 'made sense' was something the actors had long ago given up asking. (Like, decades ago!)
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    That's fantastic. Thanks so much for sharing. I agree with Al and Dana on episode 8. I must look out for Sabrina in those casino scenes on rewatch.
    Very interesting to hear that the cast don't question whether or not things make sense. I think I recall Kyle once saying in relation to the season 3 finale that he has his opinions on what it means but it doesn't line up with what Lynch may think of it. I guess that's true art.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
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    Yes - similarly Sheryl Lee wouldn't be drawn on the meaning of the Carrie Page character in the final scenes of the final episode. I think she and Sabrina were the ones on that panel that had some real answers to questions we may be asking forever. In Sabrina's case it was necessary because of practicality while in Sheryl's it was more because Lynch would have wanted to share the gravity of moments and their effect on her character who is so integral to the entire mythology.

    Sheryl spoke about that final scene and the air was crackling because of being at that location in the dead of night with Kyle delivering his lines in a specific way. I don't think she realised it was going to be the final scene when she shot it because like the rest of the cast she was only given pages not episode numbers or whole scripts.

    As a painter, sculptor, musician, photographer and writer Lynch takes all of those artistic expressions and brings them together in film. He understands all of those art forms and their impacts. He is one my favourite filmmakers and Twin Peaks: the return was beautiful.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    30 years. It was groundbreaking when it came out, and changed the whole tv landscape.
    For the better when it came to creativity, but perhaps for the worse when it came to brutality.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Great show one of the very best IMO, a couple of nights ago I was reading some of The Final Dossier. I have been planning to do an entire rewatch of the three seasons and movie. As soon as I get some extended time off from work a rewatch will be top of the list.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Great show one of the very best IMO, a couple of nights ago I was reading some of The Final Dossier. I have been planning to do an entire rewatch of the three seasons and movie. As soon as I get some extended time off from work a rewatch will be top of the list.

    Same here. I bought the box with the first two seasons a while ago.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Great show one of the very best IMO, a couple of nights ago I was reading some of The Final Dossier. I have been planning to do an entire rewatch of the three seasons and movie. As soon as I get some extended time off from work a rewatch will be top of the list.

    Same here. I bought the box with the first two seasons a while ago.

    I have boxset with season 1 and 2 and Fire Walk With Me, I have the set for The Return also though hate the card box design it's way too flimsy.

    I would be surprised if the show returned now, so many of the cast have passed on. Also after analysing The Return to the extreme its a fitting end, The Return really is a work of genius from Lynch.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Happy 30th Twin Peaks.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Great show one of the very best IMO, a couple of nights ago I was reading some of The Final Dossier. I have been planning to do an entire rewatch of the three seasons and movie. As soon as I get some extended time off from work a rewatch will be top of the list.

    Same here. I bought the box with the first two seasons a while ago.

    I have boxset with season 1 and 2 and Fire Walk With Me, I have the set for The Return also though hate the card box design it's way too flimsy.

    I would be surprised if the show returned now, so many of the cast have passed on. Also after analysing The Return to the extreme its a fitting end, The Return really is a work of genius from Lynch.

    I have the movie on vhs, bought it as soon as it came out. Saw it in the cinema upon release. Season 3 is available on Netflix still. Loved it, but not sure what to make of the end.
  • edited April 2020 Posts: 2,599
    ggl007 wrote: »

    Greetings from China. Thanks for posting.

    Damn, I wish it’d come back for another season but as has been said, a number of the cast members have passed unfortunately. Still, as long as we have Kyle MacLachlan, I’d love another. Season 3 was quite the cliffhanger. Enjoyed season 3 but it wasn’t quite up there with season one. The only creative decision that Lynch made which I wasn’t entirely happy with, was the cartoon style he used when Cooper travelled through the power sockets.

    Happy 30th Anniversary Twin Peaks!
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 25,109
    Great show one of the very best IMO, a couple of nights ago I was reading some of The Final Dossier. I have been planning to do an entire rewatch of the three seasons and movie. As soon as I get some extended time off from work a rewatch will be top of the list.

    Same here. I bought the box with the first two seasons a while ago.

    I have boxset with season 1 and 2 and Fire Walk With Me, I have the set for The Return also though hate the card box design it's way too flimsy.

    I would be surprised if the show returned now, so many of the cast have passed on. Also after analysing The Return to the extreme its a fitting end, The Return really is a work of genius from Lynch.

    I have the movie on vhs, bought it as soon as it came out. Saw it in the cinema upon release. Season 3 is available on Netflix still. Loved it, but not sure what to make of the end.

    I think The Return on one level was a meta commentary on the phenomenon of Twin Peaks, the end could be interpreted as a message to the viewer that the Twin Peaks you knew and loved does not exist anymore. The return of Cooper and the Scoobie Doo type wrap up was the coffee and slice of cherry pie for the fans, the ending is the harsh reality of what really exists in a number of ways.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    That is one way of looking at it, I guess. Season 3 isn t on Netflix as I thought. It is on some other channel. FWWM is available there, though.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Bounine wrote: »
    ggl007 wrote: »

    Greetings from China. Thanks for posting.

    Damn, I wish it’d come back for another season but as has been said, a number of the cast members have passed unfortunately. Still, as long as we have Kyle MacLachlan, I’d love another. Season 3 was quite the cliffhanger. Enjoyed season 3 but it wasn’t quite up there with season one. The only creative decision that Lynch made which I wasn’t entirely happy with, was the cartoon style he used when Cooper travelled through the power sockets.

    Happy 30th Anniversary Twin Peaks!

    The power sockets are significant, at first Cooper trys to go into power socket number 15 which would have taken Cooper directly into Episode 15. Episode 15 is the episode in which Doogie/Cooper sticks the fork in the socket which starts the process of bringing Cooper back.

    Cooper is warned not to go into 15 and goes into socket 3 instead which is episode 3 the current episode. It appears that if Cooper had jumped all the way into episode 15 without the journey he would have been destroyed.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    That is one way of looking at it, I guess. Season 3 isn t on Netflix as I thought. It is on some other channel. FWWM is available there, though.

    In the UK The Return is permanently on Sky Atlantic, not sure if you get that in your country?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    That is one way of looking at it, I guess. Season 3 isn t on Netflix as I thought. It is on some other channel. FWWM is available there, though.

    In the UK The Return is permanently on Sky Atlantic, not sure if you get that in your country?

    It is on HBO here. Just doublechecked.
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    Bounine wrote: »
    ggl007 wrote: »

    Greetings from China. Thanks for posting.

    Damn, I wish it’d come back for another season but as has been said, a number of the cast members have passed unfortunately. Still, as long as we have Kyle MacLachlan, I’d love another. Season 3 was quite the cliffhanger. Enjoyed season 3 but it wasn’t quite up there with season one. The only creative decision that Lynch made which I wasn’t entirely happy with, was the cartoon style he used when Cooper travelled through the power sockets.

    Happy 30th Anniversary Twin Peaks!

    The power sockets are significant, at first Cooper trys to go into power socket number 15 which would have taken Cooper directly into Episode 15. Episode 15 is the episode in which Doogie/Cooper sticks the fork in the socket which starts the process of bringing Cooper back.

    Cooper is warned not to go into 15 and goes into socket 3 instead which is episode 3 the current episode. It appears that if Cooper had jumped all the way into episode 15 without the journey he would have been destroyed.

    Oh, I hadn’t realized that. Thanks. I just didn’t like the cartoonish graphics he used.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Bounine wrote: »
    Bounine wrote: »
    ggl007 wrote: »

    Greetings from China. Thanks for posting.

    Damn, I wish it’d come back for another season but as has been said, a number of the cast members have passed unfortunately. Still, as long as we have Kyle MacLachlan, I’d love another. Season 3 was quite the cliffhanger. Enjoyed season 3 but it wasn’t quite up there with season one. The only creative decision that Lynch made which I wasn’t entirely happy with, was the cartoon style he used when Cooper travelled through the power sockets.

    Happy 30th Anniversary Twin Peaks!

    The power sockets are significant, at first Cooper trys to go into power socket number 15 which would have taken Cooper directly into Episode 15. Episode 15 is the episode in which Doogie/Cooper sticks the fork in the socket which starts the process of bringing Cooper back.

    Cooper is warned not to go into 15 and goes into socket 3 instead which is episode 3 the current episode. It appears that if Cooper had jumped all the way into episode 15 without the journey he would have been destroyed.

    Oh, I hadn’t realized that. Thanks. I just didn’t like the cartoonish graphics he used.

    That was new to me as well. Very cool.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    The Surrealism in The Return I was a big fan off, I do like abstract concepts in art and live action.
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    I liked most of what Lynch did. It was just the cartoonish passing through the power sockets style he used that I wasn’t a fan of.
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