Connery bored in YOLT? Where? I don't see it.

chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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Last night I watched YOLT on Blu Ray, and I was seeing lots of cool detail I'd never seen before, and was also watching for bored looks, blank stares, non-reactions to other actors, etc. and I didn't see any of it. His repartee with Moneypenny was charming & quick, his usual determined face was quite determined, his reaction to Siamese vodka was very funny...
My fellow agents, you who call his performance tired or bored, can you please give me examples?
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  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I need to watch it again, which is not a hardship due to the music and the environment. :)

    I never felt any strong ... zest, anger, threat, sizzling chemistry, passion, or commanding presence from him in this one (to the best of my recollection right this moment). His natural charisma was missing or toned way down below his usual (first three films) vibes ... only exception being his camaraderie with Tiger; that was good.
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    Always liked this film, a film of 2 sides for me. When its good its good when its hmm you over look it. Only thing obvious to me was that Connery put a few pounds on, beyond that he is in good form.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I never felt any strong ... zest, anger, threat, sizzling chemistry, passion, or commanding presence from him in this one
    I saw only a less twitchy more seasoned Bond, a natural progression due to experience combined with age.
    I think many who know the behind the scenes story might be reading into his performance a little too deeply.
    May I also say I had a blast seeing it so crystal clear as well!
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I'm sure it looked gorgeous. :)
    I still do not feel - and I felt this when I first saw it - that it was in any way a strong Connery performance. It was lacking. Not the different, definitely overweight, and unappealing Bond in DAF (which I still enjoy moments of). But not great, no. And I did not know the background story of YOLT until the past 2 years, so my impressions were not colored by all of that.

    Just different tastes, I suppose. The power that Connery usually exudes was not in his performance in YOLT for me.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    The power that Connery usually exudes was not in his performance in YOLT for me.
    You mean as in intensity?
  • There's definitely a bit less intensity/power whatever you want to call it. There's a little something missing. Mind you, I don't trash his performance like many. I think he's still quite good. His lines are delivered pretty well.

    However, that little sparkle in his eye that was so evident in the first 4 films has begun to fade and we only get flashes of it. His presence is still good but it doesn't demand your attention like it once did.

    Is he still a good Bond? You bet. The greatness he was in the first 4 films? no.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Well, I just watched TB day before yesterday and YOLT last night, and honestly, I like his 'less intense' performance in YOLT every bit as well, and perhaps better. Although his performance (and lines too) in GF may be his best.
  • Personal taste. We've all got it.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited October 2014 Posts: 17,835
    Personal taste. We've all got it.
    Wow, no one's ever accused me of having taste before.
    (Well, maybe once :)) )

    EDIT TO ADD:
    I just realised that since Dalton is my favourite Bond, the idea of Bond being slightly burned out & not quite so thrilled with his job is appealing to me, hence Connery's performance in YOLT would of course be in my good graces.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    I never bought the "bored" angle either. People say it started with TB, but Connery admitted during filming and years after that he enjoyed TB more than GF. He put on a few pounds and aged noticeably in the 2 years after TB, but he still gives his top effort. I think the stories of how the Japanese media overwhelmed him led to the talk about him being bored and over the role. While he may have been ready to leave at that point, I doubt that transcends to his effort in the movie. It is not difficult to get it together for 30 seconds and give your best effort even if you are ready to leave the series afterward.

    What kind of second career would he be setting himself up for if he got a reputation for being bored and not giving his best effort when unhappy.
  • I've always thought Connery's Bond had a burned out and aloofness to him. He was still effective (as Bond is in TLD, very much so).
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    It depends on the point of view.
    There was a certain kind of continuity in the first four films, in the way the character of Bond was displayed, there was a lot of boyish charme that isn´t much in YOLT. YOLT takes a slightly different angle, Bond comes across in a more serious way, and he seems very focussed on his mission. Furthermore, he tries to adapt to the Japanese mentality, where males are less playful with their facial expressions than in Europe or America.
    That´s why sometimes he can come across as less involved than in the first four films.
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    Can't see it myself YOLT has always been one of my favourite films due to the fact that it is that bit darker in story tone.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    One of my favourite topics. I have always argued that Connery is exactly the same, with the same amount of dangerous cool as ever.
    This 'bored' label came about in a book, and it mushroomed from there. In fact the pace of the film is a notch up from TB and maybe Connery's casual manner didn't suit the film quite as much.

    The films changed, not Connery.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    NicNac wrote: »
    One of my favourite topics. I have always argued that Connery is exactly the same, with the same amount of dangerous cool as ever.
    This 'bored' label came about in a book, and it mushroomed from there. In fact the pace of the film is a notch up from TB and maybe Connery's casual manner didn't suit the film quite as much.

    The films changed, not Connery.

    My thoughts exactly. Like most things with Bond, it was a commentary in a book that started this one, though I can't recall which book it was at the moment. As you say from this book the critical line (and canard?) on Connery's performance in YOLT was born and indeed mushroomed. It shows the power and potency of the printed word even in this day and age of easy media sound bites and 24 hour rolling news coverage if nothing else...

    And it is of course true that the films did indeed change with YOLT (and probably not for the better, OHMSS excepted of course) even if Connery remained much the same as before.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    I rather like @chrisisall's comment
    I was seeing lots of cool detail I'd never seen before, and was also watching for bored looks, blank stares, non-reactions to other actors, etc. and I didn't see any of it
    because that is effectively what 'bored' would mean, and I don't ever see that either. Connery is a pro and wouldn't sabotage any film by stifling a yawn during an important scene. :-)
    His Bond grew more casual and self effacing as the series progressed. The Bond in DN is not the same man who we saw in GF, nor was the YOLT Bond the same as the GF Bond. It was the same man of course, but a man who had matured and grown.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Nicely put @NicNac.
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    Really glad to see this issue being addressed directly. Like @chrisisall and @NicNac, I have never bought this theory about Connery being 'bored' or that his performance is below par in YOLT.

    YOLT is one of my top ten in the series, and sits way above TB (in itself almost the definition of cinematic boredom).

    YOLT has always been one of the most purely enjoyable films in the series for me. Connery's Bond has matured. He's purring like a finely tuned machine and the Japanese setting is just perfect. YOLT is one of the few films in the series that really captures a strong sense of time and location - it might be a fantasy Japan, but it definitely has a very strong sense of place and it couldn't be set anywhere else (unlike so many other films, where the locations are really just incidental). Love it from start to finish. Tiger is without doubt one of the best allies in all the films. The cool Toyota 2000GT is a nice refreshing break from the DB5 and I even (dare I say it) enjoy the Bond going Japanese sequences.

    Those who 'think' they found Connery's performance below standard, based on a viewing from years ago, should go back and give it another go. Classic Bond.
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    One thing I do notice more in YOLT is Connery's double chin.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    One thing I do notice more in YOLT is Connery's double chin.

    Yes, that's true. In both YOLT and DAF he was noticeably more flabby than before.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Getafix wrote: »
    YOLT has always been one of the most purely enjoyable films in the series for me. Connery's Bond has matured. He's purring like a finely tuned machine
    I went through a period where I wasn't fond of YOLT because the OTT thing, so I didn't watch it for a few years. Last year I got the DVD and found that I liked it SO much more than I remembered. Watching this BR version the other night just awed me, and I realise now that it's basically my favourite Connery Bond, and the reasons are the deft & professional film-making, and Connery. As the end credits rolled I just wondered, where in this movie did he not seem to care?
    And so far, no one can come up with any examples except to say 'that spark wasn't there'.
    Yeah, he could have said the code words "I love you" to Aki in a more gleeful/come-on way, but that's why I liked the way he did say it because it was different and shows that Bond has moods and is not just a walking penis; sometimes he's quite all business.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited October 2014 Posts: 12,480
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I watched it again last night. I definitely pick up on a disconnect that wasn't there in the first four films. He's not bad, or unsuitable, but that intensity is gone. He seems to be going along for the ride, not in the moment (not the character of Bond, mind you, but Connery's disposition). Still a Top Ten Bond film, though.

    Exactly.

    Maybe Sean was going for a slightly different take on purpose. But I simply did not enjoy his performance as much as in his first four films. It is a rather subtle difference, but it is there.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    When I watched YOLT last time, as part of my on-going Bondathon, while I didn't enjoy it quite as much as I used to, I still don't see this supposed bored-ness.

    Coming off the heels of FRWL, GF is always a disappointment. Bond is lacking that lethal edge that was always prominent in DN & FRWL. In the post FRWL films, Connery's Bond comes of as, for want of a better word, limp.
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    When I watched YOLT last time, as part of my on-going Bondathon, while I didn't enjoy it quite as much as I used to, I still don't see this supposed bored-ness.

    Coming off the heels of FRWL, GF is always a disappointment. Bond is lacking that lethal edge that was always prominent in DN & FRWL. In the post FRWL films, Connery's Bond comes of as, for want of a better word, limp.
    The lethal edge might be not so much there, but Connery is at his sharpest and wittiest in TB, so "limp" wouldn´t be a word I´d use in that context.

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    By this point in Connery's tenure as Bond the series was the equivalent of a great party that is winding down; all the right elements are there but everyone, including the audience in this case, is getting a little tired by this point.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    talos7 wrote: »
    everyone, including the audience in this case, is getting a little tired by this point.
    Umm... except I sincerely suspect this 'everyone' of whom you speak is actually a much smaller number of people than you indicate here.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    By the way, I just put a semi-lengthy review of YOLT on the "Last Bond Film You Watched Thread" yesterday.
    Nice review. I liked Pleasance a little better than you did, but I would have had him stand on a box or something to give the illusion that he was Connery's height.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    "There's a exploder button up the control room we've got up there"

    I'm sorry but this line of dialogue did it for me, where as in the previous films his voice was quite smooth by the time we got to YOLT he just sounded like he couldn't care less and that line of dialogue in particular made him sound like manual labourer.

    As for DAF it's a travesty and it's only the fact it's Connery that it's get's a easy time of it, his physical state shows he didn't take the role seriously, he was just in it for the money and nothing else .

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited October 2014 Posts: 17,835
    Shardlake wrote: »
    "There's an exploder button up in the control room; we've got to get up there!"

    that line of dialogue in particular made him sound like manual labourer.
    Come again? He was yelling it during gunfire & explosions. You try picking your words & tone carefully during all that.
    :P
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I didn't feel like he was "Bond" in YOLT. It felt more like Sean Connery as himself in a James Bond movie. Same with DAF.
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