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'They don't 'arf pick 'em '...bad actor choices in 007's world

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  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    HASEROT wrote:
    this reminds me back when Shakespeare In Love won BEST PICTURE over Saving Private Ryan..... what a joke.

    Some of us still haven't recovered from that....
  • craigrulescraigrules
    Posts: 284
    Roger moore Caroline Bliss
  • maxcraigmaxcraig
    edited January 2012 Posts: 229
    CIS wrote:
    I agree about Daniel Craig, sadly. Talented actor but just doesn't convince me as James Bond. He really puts out a great effort, but he's the last person I'd ever have thought of casting as James Bond.
    Fortunately the producers didn't think that way or we would have ended up with another male top model, in the same sort of movies with laser satellite and CGI surfing Bond.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    This could be one hell of a long list but I think we'll keep it short

    Not in order of timeline but I would include straight away names and faces such as Tanya Roberts, Halle Berry, Denise Richards, can we include Madonna as no-one has mentioned it, 30 second cameo or not you should not have been there or your god awful tune either, Lana Wood gets on my nerves more often than not whenever I get a chance to see Diamonds so she can go too, Lois Chiles, Julian Glover, Grace Jones, that guy out of Reservoir Dogs, Berry again if I haven't mentioned her, Johnathan Pryce, Mads Mikkelsen, half the personnel of QOS, Honor Blackman not sure about her but I always found her somewhat dull, Diamonds Blofeld, Maud Adams in TMWTGG and last but not least Kurt Jurgens in the next release, he was somewhat banal and lifeless as that years Bond' nemesis
  • actonsteveactonsteve
    Posts: 1,492
    Heres mine

    Rick Van Nutter
    Britt Ekland (note the sixties got most of the casting perfect)
    Talisa Soto
    Teri Hatcher
    Jonathan Pryce
    Robert Carlyle
    Denise Richards
    Michael Madsen
    Halle Berry
    Toby Stephens
    Madonna

    And finally..

    and this one is going to send everyone into apoplexy......but I dont find him very menacing and has the charisma of a bowl of porridge..






    ....Sean Bean.
  • actonsteveactonsteve
    edited January 2012 Posts: 1,492

    double post


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  • thelordflasheartthelordflasheart
    Posts: 1,370
    Reading through people's posts it *seems* to me that some people are mentioning characters that they don't like which could be a combination of writing and the direction given, not just any weaknesses on the performer's part. I think that there have been some very capable actors in the series who have been given direction to play a character in a certain way when their careers outside the franchise show much greater range.

    Of course, a great actor can take a standard part and elevate it through their charisma and personality (say, Topol in FYEO or Pedro A in FRWL). But given the lines some actors were given to say and their direction I don't think that they ever had a chance (I'm looking at you, Halle).
  • ReneMathisReneMathis
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    Caroline Bliss
    Halle Berry
    Teri Hatcher
    Goldie
    Maryam D'Arbo
    (and cue the hate) Gert Frobe
  • GetafixGetafix
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    <blockquote><a href="/index.php?p=/discussion/comment/2376#Comment_2376">Quoting Luds</a>: I'd say Halle Berry was the absolute most abysmal Bond girl</blockquote>
    I'd say the CHOICE of Halle Berry was actually a pretty sound one. She's a reasonable actress and roughly the right age for Brosnan. It was her character that was irritating.

    Perhaps you're right. I prefer it when they cast relative unknowns as Bond girls though.

    Surely all the awful actors in the Bond series are too long list fully. Obviously Pierce is at the top, but where does it end? Frankly Ursula Undress is pretty godawful in Dr. No. It started that early. What about John Cleese as Q - that was awful.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    Yes, all the worst choices for Bond personnel over the years are perhaps too long to list fully, but what we can do is put automatic choices as frontrunners. Don't fully understand why Brosnan gets castigated so much on here, he's nowhere near the Best Bond we ever saw but at least made two fine movies of recognition and has displayed on ocassion some real Fleming like qualities.

    I can't buy into the fact that Honey Ryder is 'pretty godawful' in the first outing, well I found her sexy, cute and attractive and, well for me she's one of the most iconic and best loved Bond women of the series.

    Cleese' Q, could never replicate what Llewelyn ever gave us, it was such big shoes to fill, and sometimes you can't get past it's Mr Fawlty Towers on screen, but I think in hindsight it was an adequate enough replacement, I sincerely wish they had kept with him for Skyfall rather than bringing in some kid in that Q capacity
  • thelordflasheartthelordflasheart
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    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    Cleese' Q, could never replicate what Llewelyn ever gave us, it was such big shoes to fill, and sometimes you can't get past it's Mr Fawlty Towers on screen, but I think in hindsight it was an adequate enough replacement, I sincerely wish they had kept with him for Skyfall rather than bringing in some kid in that Q capacity

    I think that Cleese's take on Q is a perfect example of how a good actor can be stymied by the writing and direction. Compare his performance in TWINE versus DAD. While many despise DAD and Tamahori I think that a lot of people would admit that Cleese's performance as Q was much better in DAD, and especially light years ahead of him basically playing Basil Fawlty or "John Cleese" in TWINE.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited January 2012 Posts: 11,189
    I like Cleese in both films...but then again I just love John Cleese :x
  • LeChiffreLeChiffre
    Posts: 1,548
    Another thread that lets all the deluded anti-Craigers have a moan! Unbelievable
    Tanya Roberts as worst actress comes to mind, alothough she looks fantastic!
    Madonna in DAD, Denise Richards. Worst actor, apart from Roger Moore would possibly have to go to the guy who played Elvis in QOS. Meant to be a henchmen? My late Gran would have been more threatening! The series has been renowned for employing top rate actors in poorly written roles ie Charles Gray as a cross-dressing Blofeld(Fleming would be spinning!), Matthiew Amalric in QOS, Jonathon Pryce in TND (no wonder Tony Hopkins abandoned ship!)
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    M_Balje wrote:
    Eva Green (CR) No get any feeling with the chacter, don't believe Bond be in love. Also Eva Green having a behaviour i dislike.
    Caterina Murino (CR) I don't mind what happen with the chacter, don't like the inter action with Solange and Bond.

    Uh, the girls of CR, in most opinions, were the best part of Casino Royale. Eva had something unique (intelligence and attitude) that made Bond fall in love with her, unlike the other skanky girls.

    Solange brought in the blatant sexy Bond girl element, and was perfect as that.

    But agree to disagree :)
  • slyfoxslyfox
    edited January 2012 Posts: 940
    M_Balje wrote:
    Adolfo Celi (TB) No get any feeling with the chacter
    Steven Berkoff (Octopussy) The chacter is weak point of the movie.
    Luciana Paluzzi (TB) No get any feeling with the chacter with exeption i think TB for a part is to much Dr No FRWL copy.

    X_X I find this astonishing. In my opinion, these three represent some of the very best we've seen in the last 50 years. A time of true greats. Comparing them to the likes of Hale Berry and John Terry's performance is ridiculous.
    M_Balje wrote:
    I hope Bond not end with Helen McCrory chacter is that be possible.

    I think we can all here confirm Bond won't end up with Helen McCrory...
    LeChiffre wrote:
    Elvis in QOS. Meant to be a henchmen? My late Gran would have been more threatening!

    Thats the whole point. Though I do find him pretty insignificant, I don't think he was ever meant to be a feared 'henchman' anyway. From the way other characters behave around him (the way they talk, treat and even look at him) he's obviously more of a tag-along member of Quantum who Greene feels obliged to look after out of family/friendship ties.

  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited January 2012 Posts: 4,537
    Sorry, a litle mis understanding. I mean i hope he wil end with Helen McCrory if possible, but iam afraid it not happen.. I changed it in my post.

    Yes i kind of comparing Luciana Paluzzi with Halle Barrey but not in the way you think i do. How lower you go in the list how les i have a problem with them.Luciana Paluzzi and her chacter i like more then Jinx/Barry not the other way around. David Hedison should have been Felix in TLD. Steven Berkoff (Octopussy) i dislike his chacter because the movie be so good and he screaming element (to much) and the way the chacter died. I dislike the chacter a litle bit les then Baker his chacter in TLD.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    edited January 2012 Posts: 6,432
    Ecklands mary goodnight for me, what's even more irritating is that her incompetence drives the plot of the final 3rd of the film. TMWTGG's script is pretty poor.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    fire_and_ice wrote:
    Ecklands mary goodnight for me, what's even more irritating is that her incompetence drives the plot of the final 3rd of the film. TMWTGG's script is pretty poor.

    OH SNAP! I can hear @DC007's loyal troops knocking down your door now. Take Liam Neeson's wise words to heart:

    “The next part is very important… They are going to take you”
  • OHMSS69OHMSS69
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    Moore's leading ladies were bad: Hedry, Chiles, Bach, and the cherry on top: Roberts.
    I actually liked Eklund in TMWTGG. I thoght she did a good job. I knew Bach could not act from her first scene and Roberts is very very good to look at (great legs, pretty face, and tits to die for) but her acting was the nadir of Moore's films.

    Brosnan drew short straws as well. Starting with Hatcher, Richards, and finally hitting the low point with Halle Berry.
    I've seen Berry in lots of films, (X-Men, Swordfish, Monsters Ball) I always thought she was serviciable but she really stunk up DAD. Maybe that half assed director was so intrigue by her external beauty that he did not have the cajones to give her some real direction. Richards was so bad that no amount of direction could have saved her and Hatcher....Awful.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    OHMSS69 wrote:
    Moore's leading ladies were bad: Hedry, Chiles, Bach, and the cherry on top: Roberts.
    I actually liked Eklund in TMWTGG. I thoght she did a good job. I knew Bach could not act from her first scene and Roberts is very very good to look at (great legs, pretty face, and tits to die for) but her acting was the nadir of Moore's films.

    Brosnan drew short straws as well. Starting with Hatcher, Richards, and finally hitting the low point with Halle Berry.
    I've seen Berry in lots of films, (X-Men, Swordfish, Monsters Ball) I always thought she was serviciable but she really stunk up DAD. Maybe that half assed director was so intrigue by her external beauty that he did not have the cajones to give her some real direction. Richards was so bad that no amount of direction could have saved her and Hatcher....Awful.

    You are excluding Izabella Scorupco, a fine lady that makes up for all the trash Bond girls in the Brosnan era. My personal #2. :\">
  • OHMSS69OHMSS69
    Posts: 2,341
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    OHMSS69 wrote:
    Moore's leading ladies were bad: Hedry, Chiles, Bach, and the cherry on top: Roberts.
    I actually liked Eklund in TMWTGG. I thoght she did a good job. I knew Bach could not act from her first scene and Roberts is very very good to look at (great legs, pretty face, and tits to die for) but her acting was the nadir of Moore's films.

    Brosnan drew short straws as well. Starting with Hatcher, Richards, and finally hitting the low point with Halle Berry.
    I've seen Berry in lots of films, (X-Men, Swordfish, Monsters Ball) I always thought she was serviciable but she really stunk up DAD. Maybe that half assed director was so intrigue by her external beauty that he did not have the cajones to give her some real direction. Richards was so bad that no amount of direction could have saved her and Hatcher....Awful.

    You are excluding Izabella Scorupco, a fine lady that makes up for all the trash Bond girls in the Brosnan era. My personal #2. :\">

    Brosnan had some good actresses as well --Yeow, Rousseau, Miranda from DAD (can't not recall her name-damn!) but his films seem to go : one good , one AWFUL. Exception being GE. Both Janssen and Scorupco are good.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    Regardless of what people may think but hand on heart the Janssen character in Goldeneye was all a bit silly (female adversary kills men with thighs during intercourse), don't know who came up with that idea, but maybe it was a hangover from the Moore days of childish antics. Scorupco was OK, I want more from my Bond girls than just good looks but she did an adequate job.
  • Agent005Agent005
    Posts: 562
    Hmm... This might take a minute to list.

    - Karin Dor
    - Donald Pleasance
    - Cec Linder
    - Norman Burton
    - Charles Gray (YOLT & DAF)
    - Barbara Bach
    - Michael Lonsdale
    - Tanya Roberts
    - John Terry
    - Joe Don Baker (TLD)
    - Caroline Bliss
    - Teri Hatcher
    - Denice Richards
    - John Cleese
    - Halle Berry
    - Madonna
    - Rick Yune
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    ^
    I'm not with you on the whole Donald Pleasance thing. Wonderful actor, but I have to agree, bad Blofeld. He had such short screentime if memory suits. I try not to watch YOLT.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    How can you dislike Pleasance's Blofeld? No one comes near it in terms of a definitive performance. Kojak was a relative lightweight compared to Don.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Getafix wrote:
    How can you dislike Pleasance's Blofeld? No one comes near it in terms of a definitive performance. Kojak was a relative lightweight compared to Don.
    He is Loomis, but not Blofeld.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    fire_and_ice wrote:
    Ecklands mary goodnight for me, what's even more irritating is that her incompetence drives the plot of the final 3rd of the film. TMWTGG's script is pretty poor.

    OH SNAP! I can hear @DC007's loyal troops knocking down your door now. Take Liam Neeson's wise words to heart:

    “The next part is very important… They are going to take you”

    Its ok mate red grant and odd job are on patrol tonight Lol
  • Agent005Agent005
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    Getafix wrote:
    How can you dislike Pleasance's Blofeld? No one comes near it in terms of a definitive performance. Kojak was a relative lightweight compared to Don.

    Definitive Blofeld, for me, is the Blofeld of FRWL and TB.

  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    We don't even get to see Blofeld (aka Number One) in From Russia With Love (and Thunderball) , they don't even list who played the part in end credits of FRWL. All we get is some dialog and a hand stroking a cat throughout or a pair of legs ?
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    edited January 2012 Posts: 6,432
    joseph wiseman played the unseen blofeld in thunderball. though from memory i think they just have a question mark next to blofeld on the end credits.

    just thought it may have been anthony dawson, obviously both actors were in DN.
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