YOLT vs. DAF

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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    DrGorner wrote: »
    Happily, I love them all. :D
    You have a harem, I assume?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Can't beat a bit of innuendo ! :))
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited January 2015 Posts: 23,883
    chrisisall wrote: »
    ................"You're a woman of many parts, Pussy!"................

    Genius!

    Some great exchanges from TB are below. Some of my absolute favourites. Heck, if I hadn't just watched it a few weeks ago, I'd put it on right now they're so darn good.


    "Most girls just paddle around, you swim like a man.- So do you.- Well, I've had quite a bit of practice”
    “Have some of my conch chowder.-You read the wrong books, Mr Bond.-About conch chowder?-Being an aphrodisiac.-It just so happens that I like conch chowder.”
    “What sharp little eyes you have.-Wait till you get to my teeth”
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    We define off-topic here... :))

    IMO both YOLT & DAF have their crazy/ridiculous moments, but YOLT has that lingering vibe from the earlier excellent Bonds whilst DAF has the fragrance of a rat's handkerchief. ;)
  • Posts: 533
    Mind you, I found "DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER" rather funny. But I do believe "YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE" is better.
  • ThomasCrown76ThomasCrown76 Augusta, ks
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    A tarts handkerchief;)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    A tarts handkerchief;)
    Wint & Kidd were rats, of a sort. Not as cute as Bond's little friend in the pipe...
    B-)
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I haven't watched either in some time, but I recall that YOLT did not impress so much the last time I saw it. While it definitely has some of the series' most iconic scenes, and retains the classic 60's flavour, it was, for me, messed up by the Japanese fisherman bit about 2/3 in when it really slows down. I remember really liking everything up to the part when Brandt ditches Bond in the plane. From then on it fell apart for me (including the ninja training site etc.). I'll have to watch it again and see what I think now. I loved Osato and Brandt though.

    DAF has an outstanding score (too good for the film IMO) but I really don't have much positive to say about it. As mentioned, I've not watched it for a while, and whenever I do I'm disappointed, primarily by the use of the US as a location. It comes across like a 70's tv show (Starsky and Hutch or Chips or Charlies Angels or Vegas) because of this to me. I realize they had a smaller budget, but they should have filmed it somewhere else. The tacky 70's flavour also hurts it. Blofeld & Tiffany Case weren't too memorable either. The best bit I remember was Bond breaking into Willard Whyte's top floor hangout. I'll see what I think when I watch it again.

    So YOLT takes the win here, but that's not saying much.

    outstanding score??? you're kidding right? There are a few tracks that i like, but few if any that were original for that film. The music during the action scenes at the end and in the middle is atrociously anti-climatic and, amoung other things, makes them
    unwatchable. DAF has some good ideas that are wasted in a pretty bad film, although the first act is good. YOLT on the other hand is an amazing film, one of my favorites of all time.
  • edited January 2015 Posts: 1,596
    @bondjames For my money Thunderball and Diamonds are Forever have the best dialogue in the series (there are several close runner-ups).

    @chrisisall Agree to disagree I suppose but I see a difference between those lines and several from the Brozzer era. There's a fine line that the 60's films stay on the right side of.

    @Ottofuse8 While I don't think it is Barry's best score I don't think anyone on this forum is kidding when they say it's an outstanding score.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    bondjames wrote: »
    DAF has an outstanding score (too good for the film IMO) but I really don't have much positive to say about it. As mentioned, I've not watched it for a while, and whenever I do I'm disappointed, primarily by the use of the US as a location. It comes across like a 70's tv show (Starsky and Hutch or Chips or Charlies Angels or Vegas) because of this to me. I realize they had a smaller budget, but they should have filmed it somewhere else. The tacky 70's flavour also hurts it. Blofeld & Tiffany Case weren't too memorable either. The best bit I remember was Bond breaking into Willard Whyte's top floor hangout. I'll see what I think when I watch it again.

    i dont mind the choice of Vegas - because you have to kind of look at it from the context of the time period.. today, shooting something like a Bond movie in Vegas would seem tacky - simply because it's VEGAS.... but back in the day, it was something new and exotic - there was nothing else like it in the world... it would be like a Bond film going to Dubai by today's standards... but now, Vegas is so overexposed and commercialized that it's become played out..

    i think the US always getting a bad wrap for locations in a Bond film is all just dependent on where you film at... who wants to see New York, Miami or Los Angeles for the 5,000th time on film - i'll agree there... but there are some gorgeous "off the beaten path" locations that could be used in the right context - like Niagara Falls or Pike's Peak.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited January 2015 Posts: 23,883
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    outstanding score??? you're kidding right? There are a few tracks that i like, but few if any that were original for that film. The music during the action scenes at the end and in the middle is atrociously anti-climatic and, amoung other things, makes them
    unwatchable. DAF has some good ideas that are wasted in a pretty bad film, although the first act is good. YOLT on the other hand is an amazing film, one of my favorites of all time.

    I think the score is outstanding. I've never said it's Barry's best but I think it's better than most of the action junk that's come since (including most of Arnold's scores save maybe one) and have had it in my car for over 6 months on rotation. DAF's score feels sharp, like a cut diamond (which is likely what Barry wanted - somewhat analogous to the dreamy/drowning feeling he evoked in TB), which is why I hold it in high regard, including the raised sax used to sarcastically reflect Wint & Kid's orientation. I also think the way the Bond theme is incorporated into the scene with the hovercraft in the Netherlands after Bond leaves MP is brilliant (there is a feeling of a hovercraft in the way it's delivered by Barry). Also absolutely love the organs used during the Slumber cremation scene to reflect an impending horrific death (used to such great effect even today by Zimmer in the Interstellar score). The music used during Bond's climb up Whyte's building is also suitably spy-like. No I definitely stand by my view that this score is outstanding but then Barry has several outstanding scores IMO. I don't dislike any of his work.

    YOLT does not hold up for me on repeated viewing and seems extremely dated now (more so than the more pared down DN, FRWL & TB). I like the score very much but am not a fan of the slower Japanese sounding bits.

    Agreed @ThighsOfXenia. I've always liked the lines in TB, but my recent rewatch of DAF surprised me, because I realized only now how good the lines are, and they are delivered effortlessly by a cool as a cucumber (but severely out of shape & greying) Connery.

    I agree @haserot, I don't mean to give the US a bad rap as far as locations go. I did think it looked tacky in DAF though (by Bond's exceptionally high standards) but I liked the house where Bambi & Thumper were situated as an example (suitably Adamesque and yet very west coast with amazing views). I go back to North by Northwest, that used some amazing US locations, particularly in the finale at Mount Rushmore (although it probably was a set). Some inventiveness is required when filming in the US otherwise it just ends up like any other movie (since so many movies are filmed there).
  • @bondjames The greying doesn't bother me in the slightest. I've always pictured Bond as more of a veteran age anyways. Hell, Connery always looked older than he actually was, which I've never had a problem with.
  • ThomasCrown76ThomasCrown76 Augusta, ks
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    James Bond ends up in a car chase down highway 54 in Wichita, ks...at rush hour. More dangerous, but not as speedy as it sounds:)
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