Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • edited November 2023 Posts: 4,294
    Yeah it’s an odd one. I feel my last post came off as being dismissive of him. It’s just that his vibe in the films/shows that I’ve seen him in hasn’t been very Bondian/Connery-esque. I think as a potential contender for the role you’ve got to have traces of those Bond traits - that sort of raw charisma/masculinity, hints of humour/even warmth in between the potential for portraying cruelty… Doherty can do charm, even sex appeal if you see it, but there’s something more otherworldly about him - fun but a touch too cold to be relatable, good looking but almost too good looking… It’s just not quite Bond for me. But like I said, can see him as a younger villain and would love to see it.
  • Thomas Doherty is what you're left with if you take Sean Connery and remove all of his masculinity.

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    Thomas Doherty is what you're left with if you take Sean Connery and remove all of his masculinity.


    😂 Not wrong.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited November 2023 Posts: 1,672
    007HallY wrote: »
    Thomas Doherty is what you're left with if you take Sean Connery and remove all of his masculinity.


    😂 Not wrong.

    It's modern masculinity, which is now a softness and almost distant approach to life and people I think. Jewlery and a little makeup. Sean famously wore hair, and makeup on screen, so not much has changed, but Sean's era asked something different of men than today. However I would argue that Sean's classic masculinity, the harder edge, involved man is a universal attraction, whereas this modern soft man stuff is just temporary and subversive.

    What I'm saying is Doherty just needs a Guy Hamilton to show him the way of Bond, and he'd be golden I think. This video is better as a representation of what he offers, but he's still a little too self-aware and smug to seem Bondian to me. The closest he comes is to Brosnan I think. Has a smooth, clean look and approach, but an edge of smugness and constant aesthetic calculation that some may reject.

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Quite delicate…
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Quite delicate…

    That's what I thought of Robert Pattinson until The Batman. Then I saw how it could work. Come to think of it, I think Doherty is a low-rent Pattinson, for my money I'd take the Bat guy for Bond.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Quite delicate…

    That's what I thought of Robert Pattinson until The Batman. Then I saw how it could work. Come to think of it, I think Doherty is a low-rent Pattinson, for my money I'd take the Bat guy for Bond.

    Well I’m in the minority who loathed “The Batman “ and wasn’t impressed by the sullen, charmless, goth performance of Pattinson . Hopefully being cast as Batman will keep him from being considered for Bond.
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    Tom Bateman is a strong contender. He flies under the radar and he doesn't have any franchise yet.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    talos7 wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Quite delicate…

    That's what I thought of Robert Pattinson until The Batman. Then I saw how it could work. Come to think of it, I think Doherty is a low-rent Pattinson, for my money I'd take the Bat guy for Bond.

    Well I’m in the minority who loathed “The Batman “ and wasn’t impressed by the sullen, charmless, goth performance of Pattinson . Hopefully being cast as Batman will keep him from being considered for Bond.

    Well fair enough, I respect that. I think they call that checkmate, my congratulations sir, a brilliant coup.
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Thomas Doherty is what you're left with if you take Sean Connery and remove all of his masculinity.


    😂 Not wrong.

    It's modern masculinity, which is now a softness and almost distant approach to life and people I think. Jewlery and a little makeup. Sean famously wore hair, and makeup on screen, so not much has changed, but Sean's era asked something different of men than today. However I would argue that Sean's classic masculinity, the harder edge, involved man is a universal attraction, whereas this modern soft man stuff is just temporary and subversive.

    What I'm saying is Doherty just needs a Guy Hamilton to show him the way of Bond, and he'd be golden I think. This video is better as a representation of what he offers, but he's still a little too self-aware and smug to seem Bondian to me. The closest he comes is to Brosnan I think. Has a smooth, clean look and approach, but an edge of smugness and constant aesthetic calculation that some may reject.


    I dunno, I think it’s something that goes hand in hand with his acting style/previous roles. I don’t particularly care if an actor wears particular clothes, jewlrey or make up offscreen or whatever (of course no actor is Bond offscreen - not Connery with his balding scalp and not Craig who admits he prefers drinking in gay bars on nights out) but there are other potential candidates I’d say who just seem to possess more of that natural Bondian hard edge/grittiness/charisma or whatever regardless of their lives offscreen - Sope Dirisu, Jack O Connell, Jack Bannon etc.

    I get what you’re saying about Pattinson, but for what it’s worth I always saw him as more ‘emo’ or brooding than soft (there’s a difference). I think his roles post Twilight and the fact that he’s older helps him in this regard too, not that he’s a Bond contender (great actor and a great Batman though).
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited November 2023 Posts: 1,672
    007HallY wrote: »
    I get what you’re saying about Pattinson, but for what it’s worth I always saw him as more ‘emo’ or brooding than soft (there’s a difference). I think his roles post Twilight and the fact that he’s older helps him in this regard too, not that he’s a Bond contender (great actor and a great Batman though).

    I can see that, I think you're right re: brooding versus soft, per se.

    To shuffle along, new Italian-based film "La Chimera" featuring Josh O'Connor has been ranked no. 20 on IndieWire's top films of 2023, with costuming I found that looks alright for Bond under cover or off assignment:

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    All of Us Strangers with Paul Mescal is no. 9 on the list.

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    As much as I like to look at Mescal, I don't ever see Bond.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I get what you’re saying about Pattinson, but for what it’s worth I always saw him as more ‘emo’ or brooding than soft (there’s a difference). I think his roles post Twilight and the fact that he’s older helps him in this regard too, not that he’s a Bond contender (great actor and a great Batman though).
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    This is a great image and with the appropriate training, I think Josh would make a great James Bond. I just don't think he'd do it to be honest...
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    LucknFate wrote: »
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    Is it just me, or does he have a very very very slight Lewis Collins resemblance in that shot?
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
    edited November 2023 Posts: 949
    LucknFate wrote: »
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    Is it just me, or does he have a very very very slight Lewis Collins resemblance in that shot?

    Ha, I see it.

    Generally I think he's a little bit geeky to be Bond, but I've not seen him in much.

    Edit: I've just looked at all the award nominations, and yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Eon asked him to audition based on that.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited November 2023 Posts: 1,672
    LucknFate wrote: »
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    Is it just me, or does he have a very very very slight Lewis Collins resemblance in that shot?

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    Yes, indeed. Good shout, I dig it. I've only seen RedLetterMedia talk about Who Dares Wins/The Final Option on YouTube, never seen any of his films in full.

    Also on IndieWire's list of 2023 top films is Passages (no. 8) featuring one Jack Barton (IV), who has a short CV with about 10 theater credits, two film credits, and a half-dozen TV credits including BBC's SAS Rogue Heroes (now on season 2). Most images online of him show him looking very young, but he's 28 and has bulked up in recent years. He's 6'2. Has a great war face:

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  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    HERO-LA-CHIMERA_08_JoshOConnor_%C2%A9PalaceFilms.webp

    Is it just me, or does he have a very very very slight Lewis Collins resemblance in that shot?

    Lewis-Collins-most-famous-007.jpg

    Yes, indeed. Good shout, I dig it. I've only seen RedLetterMedia talk about Who Dares Wins/The Final Option on YouTube, never seen any of his films in full.

    It's the TV series The Professionals that is his best work. I think he got typecast because of it.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I guess I'm looking for an actor who has a certain amount of bravado and gives Bond the quality of having fun as he carries out a mission; Connery was a master of this.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I guess I'm looking for an actor who has a certain amount of bravado and gives Bond the quality of having fun as he carries out a mission; Connery was a master of this.

    You want someone with a touch of swashbuckler in his performance.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I guess I'm looking for an actor who has a certain amount of bravado and gives Bond the quality of having fun as he carries out a mission; Connery was a master of this.

    You want someone with a touch of swashbuckler in his performance.

    Indeed…
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    talos7 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    I guess I'm looking for an actor who has a certain amount of bravado and gives Bond the quality of having fun as he carries out a mission; Connery was a master of this.

    You want someone with a touch of swashbuckler in his performance.

    Indeed…

    I've found the perfect actor then...

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    Oh wait, I don't think you want an Australian though??
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited November 2023 Posts: 3,155
    Given the similarity to Connery, it's hard not see some potential in Doherty. Thing is, BB said that the next actor to play Bond has to make a decade-long commitment and I'm doubtful that Doherty's hairline's going to survive that long, tbh. Not having a dig - but no use pretending it wouldn't be a factor. Still, on the bright side, he'd be able to afford the Rogaine if he got the gig, so...
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    It’s also worth noting that it’s more likely than not that having resemblance to a previous actor has no bearings on whether EON would consider an actor, even less so if that’s all they’ve got going for them.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited November 2023 Posts: 3,155
    Yeah, I remember back in the '00s there were people who wanted Adrian Paul because he vaguely resembled Connery, while others didn't want him for that exact same reason. You can't win, man.
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    I feel really uncool sharing this:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2023/11/18/outlanders-sam-heughan-interview-id-be-a-brilliant-bond/
    LucknFate wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    HERO-LA-CHIMERA_08_JoshOConnor_%C2%A9PalaceFilms.webp

    Is it just me, or does he have a very very very slight Lewis Collins resemblance in that shot?

    Lewis-Collins-most-famous-007.jpg

    Yes, indeed. Good shout, I dig it. I've only seen RedLetterMedia talk about Who Dares Wins/The Final Option on YouTube, never seen any of his films in full.

    Also on IndieWire's list of 2023 top films is Passages (no. 8) featuring one Jack Barton (IV), who has a short CV with about 10 theater credits, two film credits, and a half-dozen TV credits including BBC's SAS Rogue Heroes (now on season 2). Most images online of him show him looking very young, but he's 28 and has bulked up in recent years. He's 6'2. Has a great war face:

    MV5BMDBkNGIzMDQtNjlmNy00YzljLWIwNzktNWY4NTJhYjVlZDdkXkEyXkFqcGdeQUlNRGJWaWRlb1RodW1ibmFpbFNlcnZpY2U@._V1_.jpg


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    Red Letter Media talked about Who Dares Wins?
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited November 2023 Posts: 1,672
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    I feel really uncool sharing this:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2023/11/18/outlanders-sam-heughan-interview-id-be-a-brilliant-bond/
    LucknFate wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    HERO-LA-CHIMERA_08_JoshOConnor_%C2%A9PalaceFilms.webp

    Is it just me, or does he have a very very very slight Lewis Collins resemblance in that shot?

    Lewis-Collins-most-famous-007.jpg

    Yes, indeed. Good shout, I dig it. I've only seen RedLetterMedia talk about Who Dares Wins/The Final Option on YouTube, never seen any of his films in full.

    Also on IndieWire's list of 2023 top films is Passages (no. 8) featuring one Jack Barton (IV), who has a short CV with about 10 theater credits, two film credits, and a half-dozen TV credits including BBC's SAS Rogue Heroes (now on season 2). Most images online of him show him looking very young, but he's 28 and has bulked up in recent years. He's 6'2. Has a great war face:

    MV5BMDBkNGIzMDQtNjlmNy00YzljLWIwNzktNWY4NTJhYjVlZDdkXkEyXkFqcGdeQUlNRGJWaWRlb1RodW1ibmFpbFNlcnZpY2U@._V1_.jpg


    jack-barton-david-heartstopper.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1284

    Red Letter Media talked about Who Dares Wins?

    Pretty sure! It may have just been an aside, some bit of trivia mentioned in context. I could be wrong about it being RLM. I also know I've seen it discussed on this forum, so I may be confused. I can't find anything when I search; like I said it could just be a quick aside in a video. Not a Collative Learning channel vid either, unless it's in his action movie ranking video I may have seen. Could have also just been some random raid clip compilation I watched.
  • edited November 2023 Posts: 12,837
    LucknFate wrote: »
    It's modern masculinity, which is now a softness and almost distant approach to life and people I think. Jewlery and a little makeup. Sean famously wore hair, and makeup on screen, so not much has changed, but Sean's era asked something different of men than today. However I would argue that Sean's classic masculinity, the harder edge, involved man is a universal attraction, whereas this modern soft man stuff is just temporary and subversive.

    Well said. It’s why I can’t get on board with some of the younger suggestions in this thread. Bond moves with the times and I do want someone who can reinvent it and make it his own, but the kind of masculinity you’re talking about is an integral part of the character and the success of the series.

    It’s part of why I think Jack O’Connell would be a good choice. He’s young enough to appeal to Gen Z (Skins still seems popular even now) and to feel fresh and different after years of Bond as an old dog, but unlike Chamalet, Elordi* and some of the other younger names mentioned, he actually has that masculine alpha male energy that Bond needs. So, I don’t think he’d drive away older viewers and more masculine younger blokes in the same way they would. He’d get stick off some like Craig did for being shorter and more brutish looking than usual, but I could see that dying down once the film came out.

    *will admit I haven’t actually seen him in anything so I could be wrong on that one. He doesn’t come across as embodying that kind of masculinity naturally, but I guess I can’t rule out him playing it well.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Sope's got more of that 'masculine alpha male energy that Bond needs' than the rest of these suggestions, combined. IMO, obvs.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    It's modern masculinity, which is now a softness and almost distant approach to life and people I think. Jewlery and a little makeup. Sean famously wore hair, and makeup on screen, so not much has changed, but Sean's era asked something different of men than today. However I would argue that Sean's classic masculinity, the harder edge, involved man is a universal attraction, whereas this modern soft man stuff is just temporary and subversive.

    Well said. It’s why I can’t get on board with some of the younger suggestions in this thread. Bond moves with the times and I do want someone who can reinvent it and make it his own, but the kind of masculinity you’re talking about is an integral part of the character and the success of the series.

    It’s part of why I think Jack O’Connell would be a good choice. He’s young enough to appeal to Gen Z (Skins still seems popular even now) and to feel fresh and different after years of Bond as an old dog, but unlike Chamalet, Elordi* and some of the other younger names mentioned, he actually has that masculine alpha male energy that Bond needs. So, I don’t think he’d drive away older viewers and more masculine younger blokes in the same way they would. He’d get stick off some like Craig did for being shorter and more brutish looking than usual, but I could see that dying down once the film came out.

    My only real note so far about O'Connell for Bond is that he might be too close to the Craig look/mold, not that some of the actors haven't looked a bit alike in the past I suppose, so I could easily overlook that if he was excellent.

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    Venutius wrote: »
    Sope's got more of that 'masculine alpha male energy that Bond needs' than the rest of these suggestions, combined. IMO, obvs.

    I like Sope a lot. Agreed. But keep in mind he's already in the workout bootcamp that Craig did for Bond, and works with the same BTS photographer. Which might be why he "fits" so well for us in particular, as he's already been sort of shaped for it.
  • edited November 2023 Posts: 4,294
    LucknFate wrote: »
    It's modern masculinity, which is now a softness and almost distant approach to life and people I think. Jewlery and a little makeup. Sean famously wore hair, and makeup on screen, so not much has changed, but Sean's era asked something different of men than today. However I would argue that Sean's classic masculinity, the harder edge, involved man is a universal attraction, whereas this modern soft man stuff is just temporary and subversive.

    Well said. It’s why I can’t get on board with some of the younger suggestions in this thread. Bond moves with the times and I do want someone who can reinvent it and make it his own, but the kind of masculinity you’re talking about is an integral part of the character and the success of the series.

    It’s part of why I think Jack O’Connell would be a good choice. He’s young enough to appeal to Gen Z (Skins still seems popular even now) and to feel fresh and different after years of Bond as an old dog, but unlike Chamalet, Elordi* and some of the other younger names mentioned, he actually has that masculine alpha male energy that Bond needs. So, I don’t think he’d drive away older viewers and more masculine younger blokes in the same way they would. He’d get stick off some like Craig did for being shorter and more brutish looking than usual, but I could see that dying down once the film came out.

    *will admit I haven’t actually seen him in anything so I could be wrong on that one. He doesn’t come across as embodying that kind of masculinity naturally, but I guess I can’t rule out him playing it well.

    O'Connell's got the acting chops and charisma to do it. I find him Connery-esque in the sense that his early roles are as brutish thug or chav types, not dissimilar to Sean's early roles, which actually gives him that harder edge. The rest - the suits, charm, suaveness, confidence, wry humour etc - is either there naturally or is just a case of refining it. He moves very well physically too (if you haven't seen it watch Starred Up - he's got a great walk and there's little moments where he looks around a room that to me just screams Bond. He's got some pretty good, albeit more 'realistic' fight scenes in that movie too). Don't even notice his height in his films really. Just needs to neutralise his thick Derbyshire accent slightly (no need to go overboard with a 'posh' accent as such). And yes, he's young and comes across as down to earth enough to appeal to a wider selection of younger - and even older - crowds. I'd be happy if it was announced he was picked.

    Elordi's a good actor and certainly has that broad quintessential 'look', but I don't think he quite has those natural raw qualities. As I said before having watched Saltburn I actually thought Barry Keoghan had more Bondian qualities about him.
  • edited November 2023 Posts: 12,837
    Venutius wrote: »
    Sope's got more of that 'masculine alpha male energy that Bond needs' than the rest of these suggestions, combined. IMO, obvs.

    Yeah he’s definitely got it in spades, he’s another one I like.
    LucknFate wrote: »
    My only real note so far about O'Connell for Bond is that he might be too close to the Craig look/mold, not that some of the actors haven't looked a bit alike in the past I suppose, so I could easily overlook that if he was excellent.

    Yeah I do think that could work against him. From looking at him, you wouldn’t think he was worlds away from Craig. But I think they’re actually quite different as actors. O’Connell is so emotive and physical in all his roles, so that side of him could set him apart from Craig’s detached hiding his emotions behind the eyes kind of Bond. I think he’s more naturally cheeky and charismatic too, so I could see him playing up that side of the character more than Craig did and leaning into the hedonism a bit more. Craig was Mcqueen sort of cool, I think O’Connell could take us back to a Connery sort of cool, but with a more youthful spin on it.
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