Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited February 2016 Posts: 5,131
    Yes. Bond is a white character. Elba = Good actor. Elba as Bond = Never.
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    I do believe, the Bond prods are smart enough to not let the media force them into hiring him, because its a popular topic and to proof, that skin colour doesn't matter. Of course it does. We have all sorts of different colours and nationalities in this world and while none should be better then the other, there is a difference and certain characters should stay what they are. And that goes for all colours. You won't have a white man play a chinese warlord or whatever and nobody would question that.

    I agree, Bond is white. However ... Dr. No was played by Canadian actor Joseph Wiseman, I believe Miss Taro ws made to look Asian and Laurence Olivier blacked up to play Othello. Even Daniel Craig dyed his hair to play Ted Hughes.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited February 2016 Posts: 11,139
    Germanlady wrote: »
    I do believe, the Bond prods are smart enough to not let the media force them into hiring him, because its a popular topic and to proof, that skin colour doesn't matter. Of course it does. We have all sorts of different colours and nationalities in this world and while none should be better then the other, there is a difference and certain characters should stay what they are. And that goes for all colours. You won't have a white man play a chinese warlord or whatever and nobody would question that.

    No but you get white men playing Ancient Egyptian Pharaohs and gods instead or as tribal leaders in prehistoric subsahara and Arabian peninsula.
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    Jesus never looks like he's from the Middle East either in films.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Jesus never looks like he's from the Middle East either in films.

    Well, they did a close enough job in passion of the Christ.
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Jesus never looks like he's from the Middle East either in films.

    Well, they did a close enough job in passion of the Christ.

    True, but he's usually blonde/fair haired with blue eyes, which is kind of how I look, and when I was in Spain as a child I had a kid go 'blanco, blanco' because that look was so unusual, and that's still in Europe.
  • edited February 2016 Posts: 6,601
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    I do believe, the Bond prods are smart enough to not let the media force them into hiring him, because its a popular topic and to proof, that skin colour doesn't matter. Of course it does. We have all sorts of different colours and nationalities in this world and while none should be better then the other, there is a difference and certain characters should stay what they are. And that goes for all colours. You won't have a white man play a chinese warlord or whatever and nobody would question that.

    No but you get white men playing Ancient Egyptian Pharaohs and gods instead or as tribal leaders in prehistoric subsahara and Arabian peninsula.

    VERY wrong too, of course. But to make it right, we have to change our attitude towards each other in a way, where we are not trying to change, what somebody is, (making Bond black for example isn't the answer) but ACKNOWLEDGE, what he/she is and do fair play with that. In general.

    Regarding film casting - I believe, they often cast, who they think puts more butts in the seats then some actor, who would really fit the role colourwise.

    On a whole, this whole popularity casting isn't worth a dime. If the film is good, people will go and see it. If not, it doesn't matter, WHO is in it. There are many examples for that. The last being R. Reynolds, who did one dud after the other and now, finally has a hit. He is the same, not more popular then before, but the films seems to entertain the audiences.

    So, a good step forward would be to cast actors, who fit the characters description and never mind, how popular he/she is.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Much agreed there, @Germanlady.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Yes, well said. I would refine it to say more actors who can 'embody' the character's description rather than just 'fit'. That's what Craig does with Bond imho.
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    @Germanlady what about Sean Connery cast as a Soviet submarine commander? He was perfect for that role in The Hunt for Red October and it in no way detracts from the film that he doesn't appear Lithuanian according to the character description, but definably has a Scottish accent. It's all about the actor for me, his whole performance distracts you from thinking why is this guy Scottish when he's supposed to be Lithuanian.
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    IMO there is a difference between a white coloured actor playing a white coloured character of another country or someone playing a character with totally different origins and colour. In your version, we would have to question an African born black playing an American born black character. That is way more possible, but mind you, not perfect. Try first to find who and what the character in question exactly is. After that, go search someone close.
  • edited February 2016 Posts: 4,325
    I'm not sure I follow you @Germanlady Why would you have to question an African born playing an American born black character?
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    In your version, we would have to question an African born black playing an American born black character./quote]

    I'm not sure I follow you. Why would you have to question an African born playing an American born black character?

    You don't. It was an example, why I think, it was not very out of place for Sean to play that Commander.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2016 Posts: 23,883
    Craig was pretty good in TGWTDT despite English accent, and I think Blomkvist was meant to be a Swede. I haven't read the books, so I don't know how close he was to the character.

    Same goes for Hanks as Robert Langdon (I really like his character, but I know the book lovers disagree).
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    In your version, we would have to question an African born black playing an American born black character./quote]

    I'm not sure I follow you. Why would you have to question an African born playing an American born black character?

    You don't. It was an example, why I think, it was not very out of place for Sean to play that Commander.

    Exactly, that's what I was saying, so I don't understand what you meant by 'in your version'.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    @Germanlady what about Sean Connery cast as a Soviet submarine commander? He was perfect for that role in The Hunt for Red October and it in no way detracts from the film that he doesn't appear Lithuanian according to the character description, but definably has a Scottish accent. It's all about the actor for me, his whole performance distracts you from thinking why is this guy Scottish when he's supposed to be Lithuanian.

    It's been a while since I've seen The Hunt for Red October but I remember correctly the issue of language and accents was somewhat dealt with in the beginning of the film when the characters were shown speaking in Russian and there is a transition that allows the viewer to hear them in English. Is it perfect, no, but it does try to address the issue.

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    talos7 wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    @Germanlady what about Sean Connery cast as a Soviet submarine commander? He was perfect for that role in The Hunt for Red October and it in no way detracts from the film that he doesn't appear Lithuanian according to the character description, but definably has a Scottish accent. It's all about the actor for me, his whole performance distracts you from thinking why is this guy Scottish when he's supposed to be Lithuanian.

    It's been a while since I've seen The Hunt for Red October but I remember correctly the issue of language and accents was somewhat dealt with in the beginning of the film when the characters were shown speaking in Russian and there is a transition that allows the viewer to hear them in English. Is it perfect, no, but it does try to address the issue.

    Yes you are quite right.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2016 Posts: 23,883
    Ok, that's it. This discussion has convinced me that I have to watch The Hunt For Red October again shortly. Always liked that film, including Sam Neil's performance. Baldwin was a superb Ryan.
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    @bondjames I was just thinking the same thing! I've been meaning to get the Jack Ryan films on Blu Ray for a while.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    Next actor should be a female kleptomaniac. They are vastly underrepresented in popular media. That and Sheffield Wednesday supporters.
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    AceHole wrote: »
    Next actor should be a female kleptomaniac. They are vastly underrepresented in popular media. That and Sheffield Wednesday supporters.

    @AceHole have you seen the film Laura from 1944? It's about a kleptomaniac and it's brilliant. I think Wednesday might have a good chance of getting in the playoffs. I'm a Hull City fan, I said before a ball was kicked that we'd win the league and we're currently top!
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    Watching that trailer, Idris does look cool, but doesn't exactly seem like Bond. In fact, so far I haven't seen any contestants that really seem like Bond to me. I am warming a bit to the idea of Fassbender, though. In '94 shortly after Tim vacated the part there were polls on Entertainment Tonight and Hard Copy who should be the next Bond. Among those, Pierce, Mel Gibson, Liam Neeson an Hugh Grant. Pierce won by a fairly high margin. Today, Idris, Tom Hardy, etc would probably top the polls. For me, the big difference is, in '94 had Pierce for some reason not been able to take the part, I could see why Liam, Mel or even Hugh might have been considered. I just can't picture any of the current names as potential Bonds. Also, so many photos display actors with beards: Hardy, Elba, etc.
    Certainly the current fashion trend is facial hair, but why not just throw Chuck Norris, Kenny Loggins, or Leonard Maltin into the mix? Most of these actors shout James Bond to me about as much as Leonard Maltin.
    With the Craig era, audiences and fans had embraced the idea of change, but it comes to a point where pushing change too far you might as well not even have the character named James Bond. As much as I like, say, Jason Stratham, he'd be about as James Bond to me as Clint Eastwood. I loved Charles Bronsan, but would never cast him as Superman.
    Personally I would rather the series end with SP and Craig then see it go on with a new film ever 3-4 years and eventually see on imdb " Entourage's Jeremy Pivem has been cast as the first American Bond!" or " the 9th James Bond is officially Daniel Ratcliff".
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    Gosh I was off here for a few months, reading back I really set a forum bomb off with Aiden Turner things. :)>- OOPS! I really like him, some pics I see a young Brosnan in others a young Dalton, he's still under the radar so £££ cost effective and he is certainly talented enough with screen presence. Dan will do more, latest rumours are faff but fancy sticking some money on turner with the bookmakers.
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    I think I've found our next James Bond!!!

    He's smart, sexy, dangerous, resourceful and he only needs feeding twice a day...

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    ;)
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    I think I've found our next James Bond!!!

    He's smart, sexy, dangerous, resourceful and he only needs feeding twice a day...

    1451414691_esquire-mexico-enero-2016.jpg


    ;)

    Yes!!

  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,133
    The problem I'd have with Idris Elba taking on the role, aside from him not being right for the part. Is based on the video posted above he's a...


    I can hardly understand all that he says.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Elba a mumbler? First i've heard of that. People accuse Craig of being a mumbler, however.
  • The smooth, suave Bonds don't interest me. I think the best ones are the tough guys. Even Dalton had good, tough moments.
  • TonyEbik wrote: »
    Hahahaha didnt even see you posted this. Sorry!

    Just posting this here: Idris Elba's latest movie.



    I think Elba would make a great, tough Bond.
  • Oh for God's sake, 36 new posts in this thread...and its the same old recycled Id*** E*** nonsense again.

    In the interest of bringing some actual fresh material to the table, here's a piece about James Norton and "bookies slashing the odds" (lol) on him being Bond. Don't know anything about him and his look is kind of offputting to me, but here it is.

    https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/post/139172374146/bookies-slash-odds-on-war-and-peace-star-for-next

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