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Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • LudovicoLudovico
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    patb wrote: »
    Just to stir things up, how about a full "traditional" Bond movie every 4 years and a Bond universe movie in between. One movie every two years would not be too much IMHO, a chance to gently expand the universe, keep the brand in the public eye and be more creative with Directors, ideas etc ....like the World Cup and the Euros :-)

    They'd stretch themselves thin. Better to focus on Bond.
  • patbpatb
    Posts: 4,662
    Yes, fair point, but with all that investment to recoup, I think it's fair to assume they will "push themselves" and possibly over stretch. (there is a balance to be had) One Bond every 4 years? not enough IMHO
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited 3:13pm Posts: 4,670
    I think the best way with expanding properties/doing spin offs is to build them up over time. Make the Bond films and if there’s a character (ideally an original one) who can be expanded on creatively and work in their own tv show, do it. Especially if the majority of its audience might be very particular and a bit different to those watching Bond, and the work itself stands out a bit when compared to the Bond films. Most importantly it actually has to be worthwhile and compelling to stand a chance. There’s no point in immediately commissioning a Young Bond adaptation set in the 30s alongside a Moneypenny prequel and then doing a modern Bond film with a completely different actress playing said character.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yes I don't want that. To be honest Superman and, to a greater extent, Batman have both been doing that and I think it's a bit of a mess.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    edited 3:30pm Posts: 2,699
    You guys aren't wrong and 100% on the money to about it, but the thought "Bond universe" turns my stomach.

    Who cares what Q, Moneypenny or any 00 does when Bond isn't around? Is there an appetite for them?
  • 007HallY007HallY
    Posts: 4,670
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    You guys aren't wrong and 100% on the money to about it, but the thought "Bond universe" turns my stomach.

    Who cares what Q, Moneypenny or any 00 does when Bond isn't around? Is there an appetite for them?

    Never say never I guess, but my gut instinct is no, haha.

    But hey, even EON planned a Jinx spin off film. I can see something similar happening with another character from the films and as a streaming series, and with the right talent it could be good, if not great. And more importantly very different to the Bond films. But it’d still have that thread and treat the actual movies as central.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Absolutely mate, I don't mean to be dismissive over the idea but I've just never seen people desperate for spin offs.

    One of big problems with the ending of NTTD is I don't care about Bond's world without him being in it. I think I'd probably feel the same about the spin offs but who knows?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 3:59pm Posts: 17,182
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Absolutely mate, I don't mean to be dismissive over the idea but I've just never seen people desperate for spin offs.

    One of big problems with the ending of NTTD is I don't care about Bond's world without him being in it. I think I'd probably feel the same about the spin offs but who knows?

    It's hard to imagine, yeah. And if you give me another double 0 in his world, defeating OTT baddies with clever gadgets, then I'm going to ask why I'm not watching Bond.
    I need to be given all the thrills and things I enjoy about Bond films without feeling like I'm missing out by not having 007 in front of me. I don't know how you do that.

    Alternatively you do something completely different which just happens to be set in Bondland, but I'm not sure I see the point. I've been watching Pennyworth, the young Alfred spinoff from Batman (it's on ITVX now) and it's great, but if I were a Batman fan I'd sort of be wondering why it's marketed for me as it provides little nothing in the way of Batman-ish thrills.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited 4:14pm Posts: 4,670
    mtm wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Absolutely mate, I don't mean to be dismissive over the idea but I've just never seen people desperate for spin offs.

    One of big problems with the ending of NTTD is I don't care about Bond's world without him being in it. I think I'd probably feel the same about the spin offs but who knows?

    It's hard to imagine, yeah. And if you give me another double 0 in his world, defeating OTT baddies with clever gadgets, then I'm going to ask why I'm not watching Bond.
    I need to be given all the thrills and things I enjoy about Bond films without feeling like I'm missing out by not having 007 in front of me. I don't know how you do that.

    Alternatively you do something completely different which just happens to be set in Bondland, but I'm not sure I see the point. I've been watching Pennyworth, the young Alfred spinoff from Batman (it's on ITVX now) and it's great, but if I were a Batman fan I'd sort of be wondering why it's marketed for me as it provides little nothing in the way of Batman-ish thrills.

    To be fair I think Batman (and Superman) and Bond are simply very different in this area. With the former I think people can accept different versions and prequels of the character, even simultaneously, and really view them as separate. Bond can have reboots and different eras, but ultimately there’s a prestige with the official Bond actor and film instalments that’s something of a constant. It’s more akin to Dr. Who in this sense.

    But it’s worth saying, getting back to this question, that even Who had spin off shows and they seemed to be well received and remained their own thing while having that thread with the official series (I must note I’ve not seen Sarah Jane or Torchwood myself). Maybe Bond could pull off something similar if they’re going to do this? It’s not a guarantee, and I’d rather not they expand the franchise in that way, but if the spin off in question is distinct enough and has its own creative heart and is marketed effectively to its right audiences I guess it could work… maybe.

    Anyway, just noticed we’re in the actors thread, haha.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,182
    I think they have to work out what the sort of essence of Bond is which people can only get from it, and put the spinoffs inside that circle. With your example, Sarah Jane did that for Doctor Who, but arguably another spin-off 'Class' felt so unlike Dr Who that it didn't really appeal to anyone.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,699
    mtm wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Absolutely mate, I don't mean to be dismissive over the idea but I've just never seen people desperate for spin offs.

    One of big problems with the ending of NTTD is I don't care about Bond's world without him being in it. I think I'd probably feel the same about the spin offs but who knows?

    It's hard to imagine, yeah. And if you give me another double 0 in his world, defeating OTT baddies with clever gadgets, then I'm going to ask why I'm not watching Bond.
    I need to be given all the thrills and things I enjoy about Bond films without feeling like I'm missing out by not having 007 in front of me. I don't know how you do that.

    Alternatively you do something completely different which just happens to be set in Bondland, but I'm not sure I see the point. I've been watching Pennyworth, the young Alfred spinoff from Batman (it's on ITVX now) and it's great, but if I were a Batman fan I'd sort of be wondering why it's marketed for me as it provides little nothing in the way of Batman-ish thrills.

    That's exactly it mate, you've put it better than I could honestly.

    Listen if people want Bond spin offs, then fair play I'm jealous if anything. I'm selfish I just want Bond films on the big screen, in something resembling a regular release schedule, that's it
  • patbpatb
    Posts: 4,662
    The answer (hard to acheive) is great writing. If you produce a character(s), plot etc that's engrossing and executed to the same standards as previous Bond movies, then the mainstream audience will enjoy the ride. By defintion, most movie fans dont have the intense connection with Bond that we do. They will be happy to pay their money and immerse themselves in the adventure (look at Rogue One for example, (at no point did I miss Solo, Luke etc), I met the characters of Jyn and Andor only 2 hours ago and yet, that ending is totally engrossing. A great adventure within a pre-existing universe with brand new main characters (supported by existing supported characters), it can be done...we need some faith.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,394
    mtm wrote: »
    Yes I don't want that. To be honest Superman and, to a greater extent, Batman have both been doing that and I think it's a bit of a mess.

    Let's not forget another thing: the Bond universe (for lack of a better term) is far more "Bond centric" than Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel, Batman, etc. It's about one character, the rest is peripheral. I mean personally I could watch a one hour tv special of Bond fighting a "lower deck" kind of villain in a tv equivalent of the short stories. IF it's done well. But that's about it. I wouldn't want to waste tike, creativity and energy with a tv series on Moneypenny or Q.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited 6:00pm Posts: 3,225
    mtm wrote: »
    if you give me another double 0 in his world, defeating OTT baddies with clever gadgets, then I'm going to ask why I'm not watching Bond.
    Exactly. If there are ideas good enough to put into production, I want those ideas to be used for Bond.

    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I just want Bond films on the big screen, in something resembling a regular release schedule, that's it
    Again - exactly. Have to say, I don't have any interest in a cluster of 'Bond Universe' spin-offs. It's Amazon, so I suspect that fans who do want that are going to get their wish, but it's just not where my interest lies.
  • shimplyshocking007shimplyshocking007
    Posts: 160
    Another way to look at the Nolan Batman films was three in seven years. Imagine we had that consistency with Bond.
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