Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • Posts: 6,601
    No, he couldn't, not with what he obviously had in mind. He wanted fast as a bullet, but failed and gave us instead action nobody could follow and which was no pleasure to watch therefore. If you just think, what it would have been with action easy to follow. The roof top chase alone would have been brilliant and with all that, the film would have been much, much better.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Yes you can tell MF learned from QoS when tackling World War Z.

    there's a reason why Brad Pitt did not hire Forster for WWZ 2. The entire third act of the film had to be re-written and re-shot; three weeks before shooting began, Forster still had not decided on the look and movement of the zombies... By the time everything was said n done, Brad Pitt was in full producer mode, trying to save the film, while Forster was director in name only.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/brad-pitt-world-war-z-production-nightmare-336422
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    I was all for Hiddleston until I viewed Night Manager now I think sadly no way. Charm, charisma certainly, but in the fight scenes I'm afraid he looked about as threatening as Will Ferrell in Elf. Sure he can bulk up a bit but its not about that its about having that sense that here's someone who could kill you in a heartbeat. Just not seeing it in him at this time. As for Aiden Turner no way. The guy has the screen presence of a plank.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    " Will Ferrell in Elf" :D
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    cooperman2 wrote: »
    I was all for Hiddleston until I viewed Night Manager now I think sadly no way. Charm, charisma certainly, but in the fight scenes I'm afraid he looked about as threatening as Will Ferrell in Elf.
    There are ways to train someone to fight. It's not the end of the world.
    cooperman2 wrote: »
    As for Aiden Turner no way. The guy has the screen presence of a plank.
    That was my impression from watching that Christie clip posted a few pages back, but I'm willing to wait and see further evidence before making up my mind on him. I asked for someone to post something else he may have done which could suggest Bondian attributes, but tellingly, no one has come forth yet.
  • RC7RC7
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    cooperman2 wrote: »
    I was all for Hiddleston until I viewed Night Manager now I think sadly no way. Charm, charisma certainly, but in the fight scenes I'm afraid he looked about as threatening as Will Ferrell in Elf. Sure he can bulk up a bit but its not about that its about having that sense that here's someone who could kill you in a heartbeat. Just not seeing it in him at this time. As for Aiden Turner no way. The guy has the screen presence of a plank.

    James Bond carries a Walther PPK. If he wants to kill you in a heartbeat he will.
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    Also don't forget that the Bond films have more experienced stunt coordinators and editors too, they all play their part in fight sequences.
  • edited March 2016 Posts: 6,601
    Thing is, you have to be a natural athlete to make it look real good and authentic. The way one moves etc...
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    Thing is, you have to be a natural athlete to make it look real good and authentic. The way one moves etc...

    Exactly, Germanlady. Remember Roger Moore in his fight sequences (sans stuntmen). He looked ready to blink every time he launched a punch. Even worse while firing a gun.

    There has to be some natural athleticism involved or you wont sell the choreography.

  • RC7RC7
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    Thing is, you have to be a natural athlete to make it look real good and authentic. The way one moves etc...

    Hiddleston is lean and atheltic in the literary vein of 007, moreso than Craig imo.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    peter wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Yes you can tell MF learned from QoS when tackling World War Z.

    there's a reason why Brad Pitt did not hire Forster for WWZ 2. The entire third act of the film had to be re-written and re-shot; three weeks before shooting began, Forster still had not decided on the look and movement of the zombies... By the time everything was said n done, Brad Pitt was in full producer mode, trying to save the film, while Forster was director in name only.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/brad-pitt-world-war-z-production-nightmare-336422

    Good info Peter.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited March 2016 Posts: 2,138
    All this hate for QoS, I still think it's very well directed and better than 80% of Bond films.

    I don't hate QOS, what I prefer to do is have my HD copies on PC cut with CR in to one film, QOS does not stand up well for me as a stand alone Bond film but as an extension to CR it makes one great big movie. Anyway back on topic before we get pulled up.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
    edited March 2016 Posts: 1,731
    RC7 wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Thing is, you have to be a natural athlete to make it look real good and authentic. The way one moves etc...

    Hiddleston is lean and atheltic in the literary vein of 007, moreso than Craig imo.

    This is what the pro-Craig movement has done - people now think that James Bond is a buff bruiser, and so naturally DC's successor also has to have these same qualities.

    I'm not knocking Dan, he has done superbly, but there is no issue whatsoever with a talented, charismatic actor with Hiddleston's build (which can be slightly built up IF so needed) taking on the role. 007 Was actually meant to look smth like Hiddleston (tall, lean, lithe) does in Night manager anyway.
    But then you'd need more than just mainstream pop-media sensibility to realize this...
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    AceHole wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Thing is, you have to be a natural athlete to make it look real good and authentic. The way one moves etc...

    Hiddleston is lean and atheltic in the literary vein of 007, moreso than Craig imo.

    This is what the pro-Craig movement has done - people now think that James Bond is a buff bruiser, and so naturally DC's successor also has to have these same qualities.

    I'm not knocking Dan, he has done superbly, but there is no issue whatsoever with a talented, charismatic actor with Hiddleston's build (which can be slightly built up IF so needed) taking on the role. 007 Was actually meant to look smth like Hiddleston (6'2" /1.88m, lean, lithe) does in Night manager anyway.
    But then you'd need more than just mainstream pop-media sensibility to realize this...

    Totally it goes beyond bulk, Bond on screen is about an actor with presence, commanding, rugged good looks not pretty boy.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Thing is, you have to be a natural athlete to make it look real good and authentic. The way one moves etc...[/quote

    Hiddleston is lean and atheltic in the literary vein of 007, moreso than Craig imo.

    Dan is lean and athletic; the impression that he is too bulky is curious. The sequence where he come out of the water in Casino Royale is somewhat misleading; lighting and how he is framed in the shot make him look bigger than he is. In no other scene , including those at the Ocean Club, does he look bulky.
    I am a professional Firefighter and work with a lot of ex-military, many guys on the job have a build similar, if not more muscular to Craig.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Arguably Craig had to bulk up due to his height challenges. He looked slight before.

    Hiddleston is a taller chap. Just a little more bulk and he'd make a perfect Bond physically in my view.

    In terms of fighting capacity, both Connery and Lazenby were more convincing to me than Craig and they were not as 'built', so the two concepts are somewhat mutually exclusive.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Arguably Craig had to bulk up due to his height challenges. He looked slight before.

    Hiddleston is a taller chap. Just a little more bulk and he'd make a perfect Bond physically in my view.

    In terms of fighting capacity, both Connery and Lazenby were more convincing to me than Craig and they were not as 'built', so the two concepts are somewhat mutually exclusive.

    I guess I'm Mr. contrary today but I've always seen Craig as the most convincing in fights; he's fast and agile but also brutal

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    It will be interesting to see, if general audiences will buy lean and tall. The taller you are, the more light you can look. Light as of thin. I didnt like the LC suits ( for exampfe the white at the end) half as much as the Bond suits. A LC Dan or Hiddle now can never look like DC did in QOS or Spectre.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    talos7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Arguably Craig had to bulk up due to his height challenges. He looked slight before.

    Hiddleston is a taller chap. Just a little more bulk and he'd make a perfect Bond physically in my view.

    In terms of fighting capacity, both Connery and Lazenby were more convincing to me than Craig and they were not as 'built', so the two concepts are somewhat mutually exclusive.

    I guess I'm Mr. contrary today but I've always seen Craig as the most convincing in fights; he's fast and agile but also brutal

    The most convincing fighter is still Lazenby to this day imo.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    talos7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Arguably Craig had to bulk up due to his height challenges. He looked slight before.

    Hiddleston is a taller chap. Just a little more bulk and he'd make a perfect Bond physically in my view.

    In terms of fighting capacity, both Connery and Lazenby were more convincing to me than Craig and they were not as 'built', so the two concepts are somewhat mutually exclusive.

    I guess I'm Mr. contrary today but I've always seen Craig as the most convincing in fights; he's fast and agile but also brutal

    The most convincing fighter is still Lazenby to this day imo.

    Sometimes you are dead-on. Lazenby would beat the Living Daylights out of Dalton, give Brosnan a GoldenEye, make look Moore like an (Octo)Pussy, make Connery Only Live Once and reduce Craig to a Quantum Of Misery.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Arguably Craig had to bulk up due to his height challenges. He looked slight before.

    I wouldn't call him slight. Yes, he was slightly less muscular before CR, but he has naturally broad shoulders that make him look more athletic than other actors who played Bond, especially Moore, Dalton and Brosnan.

    This is from Tomb Raider (2001):

    lara-croft-tomb-raider-2001-daniel-craig-1.jpg

  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Yes, in Tomb Raider he played the pretty boy who was remembered solely for his nude scene. He certainly hit the gym before Tomb Raider, before that he was like skinny.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I wonder if he knew something already? This was only two months ago..

  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    I wonder if he knew something already? This was only two months ago..


    Yeah it is interesting, every other candidate (Hiddleston, Stevenson) when asked about Bond says "i would love to do it etc" but Aiden refusing to talk about it, makes it more likely that he already meet with EoN and has to be quiet now.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    That is very interesting. I'm still waiting to see some clips posted here as evidence that he has Bondian attributes.

    Outside of that Agatha Christie clip from a few weeks ago I've seen nothing. I don't think EON would necessarily hire someone based on the Christie adaptation only.

    There must be some other performances. It would be appreciated if we could see more evidence, because he didn't come across all that charismatic in the Christie clip. The girl outshone him imho.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited March 2016 Posts: 5,185
    bondjames wrote: »

    Outside of that Agatha Christie clip from a few weeks ago I've seen nothing. I don't think EON would necessarily hire someone based on the Christie adaptation only.

    Not a single clip but he was the leading man in another tv series called Poldark, here is a little featurete.

    He has a very confident and commanding presence on screen, and he can pull of dark as well as lighter tones. AND he is great with the Ladies.
    i think he would be great. and is it just me or does he look like a cross between Dalton and Brosnan? i don't know, to me he looks like he could be Bond
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    00Agent wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »

    Outside of that Agatha Christie clip from a few weeks ago I've seen nothing. I don't think EON would necessarily hire someone based on the Christie adaptation only.

    Not a single clip but he was the leading man in another tv series called Poldark, here is a little featurete.

    He has a very confident and commanding presence on screen, and he can pull of dark as well as lighter tones. AND he is great with the Ladies.
    i think he would be great. and is it just me or dies he look like a cross between Dalton and Brosnan? i don't know, to me he looks like he could be Bond
    Thanks for that.

    He definitely has the look. Of that there is no question. More Dalton'esque imho.

    However, even from that clip, I'm sensing a lack of charismatic intensity in his performances. That seething menace that lies within, which is so difficult to capture but which is essential to a good performance from a Bond actor imho. I fear he may have to project it in a contrived fashion, because he may not be able to pull it up naturally.

    Again, the evidence is limited, so maybe he does have it, but I've yet to really see it.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @bondjames

    Did you see Being Human, the BBC Series? Aidan Turner's acting ability can be observed very well there which goes from light comedy to slapstick to grim, gritty, menacing, sinister and downright violent and back to charming, romantic, suave, witty.

    I am a fan of him. IF he should happen, it would be ok for me, even though my frontrunner still is Dan Stevens.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @BondJasonBond006, no I haven't watched that. I'll see if I can get a copy somewhere.

    I'm not against him, just not sure yet.

    Hopefully people get my point about that inner dark menace. A sense of danger. It's not so much in the physical look but more in the mannerisms and behaviour.

    There's also something about charisma. Some actors have an almost magnetic quality to them. An ability to hold the screen. A dynamism. I'm not getting it with Turner in what I've seen yet.

    I will seek out Being Human to see if I can see these qualities.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    That interview clip is very suspicious. He got very shy and defensive about that question, and tried to change the subject very quickly.
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