Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Double post, sorry.
  • RC7RC7
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    RC7 wrote: »
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    Sean Connery was no acting heavyweight. He was cultivated into the role during the course of production. Look how that turned out.

    But as has been pointed out numerous times before, he had that indefinable quality that separates bona fide film stars from mere actors. Even when you watch Darby O'Gill you can feel the magnetism and charisma. Connery is a one off, but there are others who bring their own electricity to the screen. I don't find this with Turner, so however much work you put into him I'd still have reservations. I don't by any means think he's an awful candidate, far from it, but as you say he's got a Dalton vibe. But it's half-baked Dalton and I don't want half-baked anything.

    Indefinable, eh? That's awfully convenient.

    Not really it's 'Star Quality', or 'The X Factor'. When you're attracted to someone it's a feeling, an emotional reaction that's hard to quantify. This is a similar notion. Unless you're a robot, of course.

    And that 'Star Quality' carried over into Zardoz, where Connery walked around in an orange mankini. It was so indefinable it's almost as if it wasn't there at all...

    He's still got presence, even in a film as batshit as that.

    Ok, So which is it. Is Turner not a good enough actor for Bond, or does he simply lack 'presence'. Because from how you describe it, one seems to be learned and the other is innate. I have always looked at it that Bond actors (besides Craig and Dalton) are fairly average actors who are cultivated into the role. That's certainly how it was with Connery. This 'presence' that you speak of, seems more evident in FRWL or GF than it does in Darby O'Gil or Zardoz, wouldn't you say? I mean, you wouldn't watch Zardoz and see a clear Bond actor in that surely?

    He lacks the requisite presence and a certain level of gravitas in his performance imo. I don't have a problem with his acting per se, but he doesn't own the screen. Yes, I can see Connery's presence in Darby O'Gil. Part of my job involves casting, perhaps I just see things from a different perspective.
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    Some people have star quality, some become icons. Connery has "IT" ^:)^

    Did he though, or was it the pairing of the actor with the role and the right creative guidance. Do you get the same "IT" factor from watching Connery in Zardoz?
    Not everyone is going to like Turner nor is everyone going to like him for bond to me he looks much more like Adrian Paul to me and as such I would rather have him in that much talked about Highlander reboot.

    And before you get upset hey think of it like this at least I want him to have his own franchise lol...

    Hardy is doing splinter cell so I doubt he will ever be bond so yeah sorry to be a band wagon jumper but I am going for Hiddleston :)
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Sean Connery was no acting heavyweight. He was cultivated into the role during the course of production. Look how that turned out.

    But as has been pointed out numerous times before, he had that indefinable quality that separates bona fide film stars from mere actors. Even when you watch Darby O'Gill you can feel the magnetism and charisma. Connery is a one off, but there are others who bring their own electricity to the screen. I don't find this with Turner, so however much work you put into him I'd still have reservations. I don't by any means think he's an awful candidate, far from it, but as you say he's got a Dalton vibe. But it's half-baked Dalton and I don't want half-baked anything.

    Indefinable, eh? That's awfully convenient.

    Not really it's 'Star Quality', or 'The X Factor'. When you're attracted to someone it's a feeling, an emotional reaction that's hard to quantify. This is a similar notion. Unless you're a robot, of course.

    And that 'Star Quality' carried over into Zardoz, where Connery walked around in an orange mankini. It was so indefinable it's almost as if it wasn't there at all...

    He's still got presence, even in a film as batshit as that.

    Ok, So which is it. Is Turner not a good enough actor for Bond, or does he simply lack 'presence'. Because from how you describe it, one seems to be learned and the other is innate. I have always looked at it that Bond actors (besides Craig and Dalton) are fairly average actors who are cultivated into the role. That's certainly how it was with Connery. This 'presence' that you speak of, seems more evident in FRWL or GF than it does in Darby O'Gil or Zardoz, wouldn't you say? I mean, you wouldn't watch Zardoz and see a clear Bond actor in that surely?

    He lacks the requisite presence and a certain level of gravitas in his performance imo. I don't have a problem with his acting per se, but he doesn't own the screen. Yes, I can see Connery's presence in Darby O'Gil. Part of my job involves casting, perhaps I just see things from a different perspective.

    In your opinion could Turner cultivate greater screen presence as he develops?

    I don't necessarily mean as Bond but part of exhibiting that gravitas on screen could be learned(?).

  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    It's settled now this is the new James Bond:

  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    :D Brilliant trailer.
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    It's settled now this is the new James Bond:


    If you gave the trailer a proper title that would be perfect

    Macgyver is ANNOUnced to come back fall (Friday at 8:00 on CBS) and now a fan trailer for Hiddleston as bond jeez I might as well play the lottery I am haveing such an amazing day
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Meh. Great editing skills, but your trailer hasn't convinced me Hiddleston is the right guy for the job. Now if you were to make one with Turner... [-O< :x :\"> 8->
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    That would convince you Hiddleston was the right guy ? :D
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Thanks for the praise but I didn't make it was posted on FB by a friend.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    I'm not advocating Turner but I do think he would be an easier sale in NA. Hiddleston lacks that machismo flare and Elba isn't the same ethnicity of the character.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Why not do a casting show on BBC?
    Let them compete in filming segments, casino scene, flirt scene, action scene, fight scene etc, that'd be fun!
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Why not do a casting show on BBC?
    Let them compete in filming segments, casino scene, flirt scene, action scene, fight scene etc, that'd be fun!

    :P funny
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    RC7 wrote: »
    He lacks the requisite presence and a certain level of gravitas in his performance imo. I don't have a problem with his acting per se, but he doesn't own the screen. Yes, I can see Connery's presence in Darby O'Gil. Part of my job involves casting, perhaps I just see things from a different perspective.

    Very much agreed. It's fairly easy to tell who has "it" and who doesn't when seeing actors on the screen. That's not to say that casting is an easy process, but those that have "it" generally command one's attention, IMO anyway.

    Connery has always had "it", even before being cast as Bond. That's not to say that he would have become the international star that he became without Bond, but the ingredients, namely that "x-factor" or whatever you want to call it, was there. Moore has it in spades as well, and I'd say that Craig has it to a lesser extent, but he makes up the difference by being a superior actor.

    I think Hiddleston has similar qualities, although he's far from my top choice to take on the role. I'd probably be disappointed to a degree if he got it, as I have others I'd rather see take it, but I think he could win me over. I don't see similar qualities from Turner, other than his ability to look good in a tuxedo.



  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    dalton wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    He lacks the requisite presence and a certain level of gravitas in his performance imo. I don't have a problem with his acting per se, but he doesn't own the screen. Yes, I can see Connery's presence in Darby O'Gil. Part of my job involves casting, perhaps I just see things from a different perspective.

    Very much agreed. It's fairly easy to tell who has "it" and who doesn't when seeing actors on the screen. That's not to say that casting is an easy process, but those that have "it" generally command one's attention, IMO anyway.

    Connery has always had "it", even before being cast as Bond. That's not to say that he would have become the international star that he became without Bond, but the ingredients, namely that "x-factor" or whatever you want to call it, was there. Moore has it in spades as well, and I'd say that Craig has it to a lesser extent, but he makes up the difference by being a superior actor.

    I think Hiddleston has similar qualities, although he's far from my top choice to take on the role. I'd probably be disappointed to a degree if he got it, as I have others I'd rather see take it, but I think he could win me over. I don't see similar qualities from Turner, other than his ability to look good in a tuxedo.



    Agreed
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    Why not do a casting show on BBC?
    Let them compete in filming segments, casino scene, flirt scene, action scene, fight scene etc, that'd be fun!

    I would watch that. ;)
    One after the other doing their bits and quite well, too. At the end, Daniel comes in for his and all of a sudden everybody remembers, why he us such a great Bond and pales in comparison.
    So - that was me channeling my inner Mendes.

    In reality I want him to quit to not endanger his legacy and have the mental freedom to do different stuff.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    Why not do a casting show on BBC?
    Let them compete in filming segments, casino scene, flirt scene, action scene, fight scene etc, that'd be fun!

    I would watch that. ;)
    One after the other doing their bits and quite well, too. At the end, Daniel comes in for his and all of a sudden everybody remembers, why he us such a great Bond and pales in comparison.
    So - that was me channeling my inner Mendes.

    In reality I want him to quit to not endanger his legacy and have the mental freedom to do different stuff.

    Why endanger his legacy? Outside of this forum Spectre has cemented Craig as the best Bond since Connery, everywhere except maybe, maybe the US.

    I'd love a fifth movie and it would make him THE James Bond of two generations and the longest serving one too.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    Why not do a casting show on BBC?
    Let them compete in filming segments, casino scene, flirt scene, action scene, fight scene etc, that'd be fun!

    What I would like to see are all the screen tests for Bond from 1962 onward. I hope EON releases them one day.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Don't count on it.
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    Why not do a casting show on BBC?
    Let them compete in filming segments, casino scene, flirt scene, action scene, fight scene etc, that'd be fun!

    I would watch that. ;)
    One after the other doing their bits and quite well, too. At the end, Daniel comes in for his and all of a sudden everybody remembers, why he us such a great Bond and pales in comparison.
    So - that was me channeling my inner Mendes.

    In reality I want him to quit to not endanger his legacy and have the mental freedom to do different stuff.


    I would watch that show as well with the bast Bond actors as judges giving comments to the contenders.
    Why not coping the voice

    At least the blind auditions.

    The Bond contender makes the wAlk for the gun barrel shoots and Says Bond James Bond if the past Bonds liked the voice they click the button and turn around.

  • edited May 2016 Posts: 4,325
    A lot has been said about how Hiddlestone looks a bit 'light weight' for Bond. Just watched a few scenes from Layer Cake and was really taken aback by how much slighter Craig looks in comparison to his appearances in Bond. He definitely bulked up for Casino Royale.
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    A lot has been said about how Hiddlestone looks a bit 'light weight' for Bond. Just watched a few scenes from Layer Cake and was really taken aback by how much slighter Craig looks in comparison to his appearances in Bond. He definitely bulked up for Casino Royale.

    People tend to forget how absolutely non-Bond Craig looked when he got announced. Compared to that, Hiddy or Turner are oozing Bond galore.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    It's settled now this is the new James Bond:

    Pretty much looks like Bond as far as I'm concerned. He walks with purpose, talks with authority, and can convey a mood subtly with his eyes and a glance. Should be a shoo-in, which is why I'm not so sure it's going to be him. If it is, he will be the most obvious choice for the role since Moore or Brosnan.
  • edited May 2016 Posts: 6,432
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    A lot has been said about how Hiddlestone looks a bit 'light weight' for Bond. Just watched a few scenes from Layer Cake and was really taken aback by how much slighter Craig looks in comparison to his appearances in Bond. He definitely bulked up for Casino Royale.

    That's true and it's noticeable during CR, Craig during the airport scene looks a lot leaner than in other parts of the film. In contrast there is a scene in a car with Vesper where Craig looks like a tank, alot of ongoing training would have gone on during filming.
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    And Hiddleston is not only a first-rate actor, he can do action with ease.
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    Hiddleston could probably act the part reasonably well but I can't see the requisite macho quality.


    Roger Moore didn't really have the "macho quality" and he made a first-rate Bond. I think one can do action without being over-the-top in the "macho" category.
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    DRush76 wrote: »
    Hiddleston could probably act the part reasonably well but I can't see the requisite macho quality.


    Roger Moore didn't really have the "macho quality" and he made a first-rate Bond. I think one can do action without being over-the-top in the "macho" category.

    Absolutely.

  • edited May 2016 Posts: 3,333
    I've just been reading some of the comments here on whether Turner has the "It Factor" and also have to question why Hiddleston has been garnished this "It Factor" praise by some members here. I seriously don't think Hiddleston, good actor that he is if you like Public Schoolboy "Posh" type acting, can be labled with the same "It Factor" as Connery. If we're comparing Hiddleston to Connery then he doesn't measure up as Hiddleston doesn't have that earthy, animal, magnetism that Connery had. I'm trying to think of an actor that could be comparable to Hiddleston in the Sixties acting-wise, not stature, and the closest I can come up with is a crossover of Peter O'Toole, Paul Eddington fused with a young Peter Cushing. Okay, I'm having a bit of fun here, but what I'm saying is: he's No Connery.

    So how do we measure this "It Factor" then? On star power? Well, Hiddleston hasn't pulled in the box office numbers in any of his lead roles, so we can't measure it that way. Personally, I think it's too early to say whether Hiddleston has this "It Factor". Yes, he's comfortable in his own skin, has that acting narcissism bug that's required to succeed in the business, then so do many, but that doesn't necessarily equate to him having major pulling power at the box office. Indeed, Hiddleston and Turner have their own legion of fans outside these threads, and to ask either one of these sets who should be the next Bond you're going to get opposing answers.

    From what I've read here, with the exception of maybe one or two, most people here are basing their judgement on photos and a few short clips of Turner (or even worse The Hobbit). If that's how you judge the "IT Factor" then I'm a monkey's aunt.
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    Hello. Thought I'd jump back in for a bit. Aidan Turner would be great. Piddleston would be terrible. Am I all caught up now?
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    peter wrote: »
    And now, I'm doing a retrospective: the past two weekends, I have watched CR and QoS and I'm blown away by Craig's performances. He's the man. Literally. He's the man. When I think of Hiddles, I think little boy, with a Joker smile, in a nice suit, pretending to be a man; when I see the clips of Turner (clips, admittedly), I see an actor "playing" dress up. I don't believe he's got menace or danger.

    Craig is so masculine, naturally, masculine, he really knocks the role out of the park. And, although I'm not favourable to the casting, the only one who comes close is Elba cos I can believe him as a man. I think Dan's the man until dethroned by someone with natural, masculine traits. Hiddles and Turner do not have that natural, male, viscerally masculine oomph to them. IMHO.

    Hello - agree with everything you said here. However I did get round to watching And then there were none, and Aidan Turner really impressed me in that. I think he has "it", without having to work at it. He has that old-school, dark/brooding charisma; there were several scenes where you didn't know if he was going to kiss the girl or kill her. It's a great audition piece.

    Your summary of Piddleston is spot-on. I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would want Piddles as Bond, he looks like he'd have trouble fighting Q. I think I would seriously prefer another LTK-GE six year gap than watch him in a Bond film.
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