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  • dinovelvetdinovelvet
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    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    Hiddleston also fits with the well know Bond formula, ( Unless no one has heard of it before,
    Then it becomes comes my idea )
    Lazenby an unknown  followed by Moore who was established
    Moore followed by Dalton an unknown followed by Brosnan ( Established)
    Followed by Craig an unknown, so Hiddleston would fit as an established
    actor ? :D

    Moore and Brosnan were established...as TV actors. Piddleston is much more of an established big screen presence than anyone else pre-Bond. He's the co-lead of a superhero series (and indeed seems more popular than the actual 'star'), played the villain in one of the highest grossing movies of all time, with probably more Loki appearances to come in Thor 3 and Avengers etc, has played leads in Crimson Peak and some indies, and is the lead in next year's Skull Island (and no doubt has a franchise/sequel deal for that, too). He has a big screen leading man career. None of the past Bonds have ever had that, and EON has never hired anyone with this much blockbuster experience.
    I'm of the belief that EON wants their guy to be 100% identified by the worldwide public as James Bond, and nothing else. Not Loki squeezing a Bond movie in between Avengers 3 and Skull Island 2. (or his latest Jaguar ad). That's cheapening the brand.

    BTW this just occured to me, with the Jag ads, if he has a standard non-compete clause in his contract, he wouldn't be able to do a publicity pose with any other car brand, ever. Which might be a problem, eh? Maybe PiddlesBond can ride a bike instead?
  • bondsumbondsum
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    That's very funny, @dinovelvet. You made me chuckle to myself reading that. I'd also add that Connery was firmly established as a TV actor prior to Bond in the UK. Anna Karenina (a big BBC production), Macbeth, ITV Play of the Weeks (4 in total) plus numerous other TV roles in the 60's, which all established Connery as a popular TV actor of that period. However he was an unknown entity outside the UK, but he wasn't an unknown within it, which was why he topped the public's poll (in the Daily Express, I think) on who should be James Bond long before Cubby finally cast him.
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    bondsum wrote: »
    That's very funny, @dinovelvet. You made me chuckle to myself reading that. I'd also add that Connery was firmly established as a TV actor prior to Bond in the UK. Anna Karenina (a big BBC production), Macbeth, ITV Play of the Weeks (4 in total) plus numerous other TV roles in the 60's, which all established Connery as a popular TV actor of that period. However he was an unknown entity outside the UK, but he wasn't an unknown within it, which was why he topped the public's poll (in the Daily Express, I think) on who should be James Bond long before Cubby finally cast him.

    Woow, I didn't know that.
    Shame on me im a bond fan, i say love Sean Connery and didn't know that. I thought he was Lazenby Unknown before Bond just got better luck and better innate screen presence but i didn't know he was an established tv star in the UK.

    Thanks for that data.




  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2016 Posts: 23,883
    @bondsum, I agree with your assessment than Hiddleston doesn't have the Connery (or even Moore) style 'it' factor or presence. Those two were off the charts in that regard (and distinctly old school) which is why they are still so well recognized and had long successful runs as Bond, despite playing the role quite differently.

    However, Hiddleston to me definitely has something about him. A screen presence that is quite impressive for an actor in today's day and age (where many are 'manufactured' and lack it). To me, his charisma is definitely superior to Craig. As I've said before, anyone who can hold his own effortlessly with Robert Downey Jr or Hugh Laurie (and he has) hasn't got a problem with screen presence.
  • bondsumbondsum
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    I hear what you're saying, @bondjames, but I'm not quite on the same page with you regarding Hiddleston and Turner. For me, and some others here, Aidan Turner more than held his own against Charles Dance, Toby Stephens and Sam Neill in And Then There Were None. On the other hand, Hiddleston went toe-toe against Hugh Laurie and came off second best. I'd even go so far as say Hugh Laurie pulled the rug from underneath Hiddleston in the menacing, layered stakes in The Night Manager. I certainly felt Hugh Laurie's threat more than I did Hiddleston's. I don't dislike Hiddleston, but I don't see this undercurrent of menace between the eyes that people here claim to see. I see a perfectly charming Nigel Havers type actor. And no, Nigel Havers wouldn't make a good Bond either.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
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    bondsum wrote: »
    I hear what you're saying, @bondjames, but I'm not quite on the same page with you regarding Hiddleston and Turner. For me, and some others here, Aidan Turner more than held his own against Charles Dance, Toby Stephens and Sam Neill in And Then There Were None. On the other hand, Hiddleston went toe-toe against Hugh Laurie and came off second best. I'd even go so far as say Hugh Laurie pulled the rug from underneath Hiddleston in the menacing, layered stakes in The Night Manager. I certainly felt Hugh Laurie's threat more than I did Hiddleston's. I don't dislike Hiddleston, but I don't see this undercurrent of menace between the eyes that people here claim to see. I see a perfectly charming Nigel Havers type actor. And no, Nigel Havers wouldn't make a good Bond either.

    Yes, Hugh Laurie certainly gave the best performance in The Night Manager.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
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    There is no warmth about Hiddle. To me, he seems a cold fish.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2016 Posts: 23,883
    I hear you on Hiddleston vs. Laurie @bondsum. I noticed that. I'm not sure though if that's because of the roles that were defined for them (Roper was meant to be very assured, compared to Pine's reluctance and relative fear and uncertainty).

    However, not many people can match Laurie for charisma. Brilliant actor with tons of screen presence imho.

    I'll be catching High Rise tomorrow hopefully and will have a better idea/impression of Hiddle then.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    There is no warmth about Hiddle. To me, he seems a cold fish.

    GL nailed it for me: cold fish Hiddles.

  • tanaka123tanaka123
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    peter wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    There is no warmth about Hiddle. To me, he seems a cold fish.

    GL nailed it for me: cold fish Hiddles.

    Isn't Bond supposed to be cold?
  • GermanladyGermanlady
    edited May 2016 Posts: 6,601
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    There is no warmth about Hiddle. To me, he seems a cold fish.

    GL nailed it for me: cold fish Hiddles.

    Isn't Bond supposed to be cold?

    Not this sort of cold or would you decribe the beloved Connery as a cold fish? Deadly yes, but not without warmth. When he smiles, there should be warmth. I don't see it here.
  • bondsumbondsum
    edited May 2016 Posts: 3,333
    bondjames wrote: »
    I hear you on Hiddleston vs. Laurie @bondsum. I noticed that. I'm not sure though if that's because of the roles that were defined for them (Roper was meant to be very assured, compared to Pine's reluctance and relative fear and uncertainty).

    However, not many people can match Laurie for charisma. Brilliant actor with tons of screen presence imho.

    I'll be catching High Rise tomorrow hopefully and will have a better idea/impression of Hiddle then.
    Yes, I thought that could be the counter argument, as in "he wasn't meant to be more menacing than Laurie's character." Either way, he came across as the weaker of the two in the same airspace. Let's not forget, most of us older guys remember Hugh Laurie for his comedic acting in Blackadder and Jeeves and Wooster, not the heavyweight villainous roles. The thing I came away with most from The Night Manager was that Laurie is incredibly versatile, more so than I've seen from Hiddleston, so far. It was Laurie that impressed me the most.

    I have to agree with @Germanlady, Hiddles is a bit of a cold fish.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
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    peter wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    There is no warmth about Hiddle. To me, he seems a cold fish.

    GL nailed it for me: cold fish Hiddles.

    Isn't Bond supposed to be cold?
    Germanlady wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    There is no warmth about Hiddle. To me, he seems a cold fish.

    GL nailed it for me: cold fish Hiddles.

    Isn't Bond supposed to be cold?

    Not this sort of cold or would you decribe the beloved Connery as a cold fish? Deadly yes, but not without warmth. When he smiles, there should be warmth. I don't see it here.

    I didn't describe anyone as being a cold fish
  • fanbond123fanbond123
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    I've mentioned this before - Hiddleston reminds me of Tony Blair. I don't really wanna see that in James Bond. Paradoxically I could imagine Hiddles as a real Tory MP, not a Labour one. (my mind works in a strange way!)
  • tanaka123tanaka123
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    I've mentioned this before - Hiddleston reminds me of Tony Blair. I don't really wanna see that in James Bond. Paradoxically I could imagine Hiddles as a real Tory MP, not a Labour one. (my mind works in a strange way!)

    Well Tony Blair was a red Tory!
  • bondsumbondsum
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Isn't Bond supposed to be cold?
    Not to the extent of alienating the audience he isn't.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Bond can be cold during snow scenes. ;)
  • fanbond123fanbond123
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    I still feel Hiddleston going on about Bond - and the media going on about Bond - make it less likely he will be Bond! Does that logic make any sense? No, not really. :D
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    There is no warmth about Hiddle. To me, he seems a cold fish.

    GL nailed it for me: cold fish Hiddles.

    Isn't Bond supposed to be cold?

    Bond/Craig is cold/ruthless (think of the scene with Monica in SP); Hiddles is just cold-fish. I have yet to warm to him as an actor (finding him a little too "stagey").

    In the dark days when I wasn't so sure about Craig's casting, I still warmed to him as an actor when I saw LC (and then moments into CR he had effectively buried the other actors to have played 007, for me).

    I have still to experience this with Hiddles.

    In the end, I'm happy to read the BBC report as I firmly believe the man in the tux is as fine as the first day he put it on; it's the scripts that need work. They need to give this great actor a challenge in the role again. Something that is desperate for the character, driving up Craig's bubbling intensity.

    EON should give the man a two-pic deal to finish it off, but firmly set their sights on new script writers. Solve the issues of SP by upping the stakes in a new script; what drives 007? and, if you took that away from him, put as many obstacles in his way, pushing him to the limits, before he successfully completes what he set out to do.

    It's not an easy job, but it won't be impossible. The EON group needs to take a step back and get fresh eyes on the continuing story of 007, without falling into the tropes of the last film.

    But, being the broken record I am, leave Dan the Man in the tux, give him something worthy of his talents, and wrap up his tenure with the respect he deserves.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited May 2016 Posts: 9,020
    Don't get why Hiddleston would alienate people or is cold.

    If they would announce him today, he would be welcomed with open arms by the media and the social media and the general population.
    He is on the height of his popularity right now, but not too famous.
    Can't wait to see High Rise which looks like a fantastic vehicle for Hiddleston.

    Now tell me this man is cold...I'm sure he makes women's and men's blood boil LOL
    He oozes Bond at least on the level of Craig imho.

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  • GermanladyGermanlady
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    Yes, cold fish. Sorry. Plus I doubt, he will make a real splash with the girls/Women. He is just too average in everything lookwise. But, of course, that needs to be seen, now right?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2016 Posts: 23,883
    The cold fish argument is a personal one to some folks. I don't think that necessarily holds true, because he is a popular actor with many, myself included, so it's clear that there's more to him and that he is versatile.

    I'm looking forward to High Rise and also want to see I Saw The Light to get a better read on him.

    I'm not a fan of his off screen interview technique and where I've seen him playing about however. If he gets the role, I would like to see him compose himself better and act the part to a better extent off screen as well.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
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    bondjames wrote: »
    The cold fish argument is a personal one to some folks. I don't think that necessarily holds true, because he is a popular actor with many, myself included, so it's clear that there's more to him and that he is versatile.

    I'm looking forward to High Rise and also want to see I Saw The Light to get a better read on him.

    Yes, its a totally personal point of view. Clearly others see it differently, but not all, so there might be something to it after all. On a whole, he won't be a terrible choice.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    Yes, cold fish. Sorry. Plus I doubt, he will make a real splash with the girls/Women. He is just too average in everything lookwise. But, of course, that needs to be seen, now right?

    He was a hit with the ladies in the UK when The Night Manager was broadcast.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
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    bondsum wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Isn't Bond supposed to be cold?
    Not to the extent of alienating the audience he isn't.

    Yes, that's why I didn't say that.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Yes, cold fish. Sorry. Plus I doubt, he will make a real splash with the girls/Women. He is just too average in everything lookwise. But, of course, that needs to be seen, now right?

    He was a hit with the ladies in the UK when The Night Manager was broadcast.

    Really? Ok. Like I said, it needs to be seen. But if women like him...okayyyy
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited May 2016 Posts: 9,020
    Craig in 2005 also was not exactly everybody's darling. And look how that changed.

    Hiddleston would not be that controversial as Craig was back then. And Hiddy may just win over the few that don't like him.

    It all depends on the first movie and especially on the director!

    Imagine this scenario:

    Casino Royale, directed by Marc Forster.

    Would we even have 4 Craig movies now??
  • tanaka123tanaka123
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Yes, cold fish. Sorry. Plus I doubt, he will make a real splash with the girls/Women. He is just too average in everything lookwise. But, of course, that needs to be seen, now right?

    He was a hit with the ladies in the UK when The Night Manager was broadcast.

    Really? Ok. Like I said, it needs to be seen. But if women like him...okayyyy

    Yes, he caused a bit of a Twitter storm with the ladies when it was on the BBC.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Yes, cold fish. Sorry. Plus I doubt, he will make a real splash with the girls/Women. He is just too average in everything lookwise. But, of course, that needs to be seen, now right?

    He was a hit with the ladies in the UK when The Night Manager was broadcast.

    Really? Ok. Like I said, it needs to be seen. But if women like him...okayyyy

    Yes, he caused a bit of a Twitter storm with the ladies when it was on the BBC.
    Was it him, or his behind? I think they cut that bit out on the AMC broadcast I saw (not that it matters to me).
  • tanaka123tanaka123
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    bondjames wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Yes, cold fish. Sorry. Plus I doubt, he will make a real splash with the girls/Women. He is just too average in everything lookwise. But, of course, that needs to be seen, now right?

    He was a hit with the ladies in the UK when The Night Manager was broadcast.

    Really? Ok. Like I said, it needs to be seen. But if women like him...okayyyy

    Yes, he caused a bit of a Twitter storm with the ladies when it was on the BBC.
    Was it him, or his behind? I think they cut that bit out on the AMC broadcast I saw (not that it matters to me).

    A bit of both I imagine.
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