Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    It is not realistic to have an operative in his 50s or 60s. Let alone a seducer of women in the usual age range of Bond girls. Some actors in their 30s look youthful, some do not. Let's have Bond be played by an actor who can stay in the role for a while and be believable in such line of work.
    As much as you want to disagree, it is very realistic. A 60 year old nowadays is very fit, who's far from employing a stick to walk with, if that's what you're implying. If an actor in his 50s/60s are fit as we see (a la Cruise and his likes), then imagine what an operative is capable of doing. This is not the 1970s. We're galaxies and a billion miles ahead of those standards by now.
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    I have friends in the army and as I understand they get soldiers off field duty at what, 45?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    And recruit to the CIA, perhaps. That method has been existent for a long time. My grandfather served in the army and two of my cousins are still in service.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    So if I get this right, 95% of action films today should not have been made. Tom Cruise is thus too old for 'Ghost Protocol', 'Rogue Nation', 'Edge of Tomorrow', 'Jack Reacher', 'Never go Back', Mel Gibson is too old for 'Blood Father', Jason Statham is too old for 'Safe', 'Homefront', 'Mechanic: Resurrection', Stallone/Arnie are too old for 'Escape Plan', 'The Last Stand', 'Rambo 4', 'Expendables 1/2/3', Liam Neeson is too old for 'Taken 1/2/3', 'Unknown', 'Non Stop', 'The Grey', 'The A Team', 'Run All Night', Keanu Reeves is too old for 'John Wick 1/2', Brad Pitt is too old for 'Fury', Matt Damon is too old for 'Jason Bourne', Pierce Brosnan is too old for 'No Escape', 'The November Man', 'The Foreigner', Jackie Chan is too old for 'Skiptrace'...
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    NicNac wrote: »
    Look at what Craig did in CR - in just the pre title scenes. He wouldn't be able to do that now I would wager.

    Sitting in a chair? Then it s clearly time to go.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Elderly, Lol

    Well 60s that is elderly.

    As I am 53, I find this, yes, antiquated, thinking. I don't want to see a truly elderly Bond but we live in different times.

    Would "not quite as youthful" be PC enough then? Look I meant no offence. But in your 50s you are middle aged. And when one turns 60 you can start calling such age elderly. Younger side of elderly but still.

    I could give a rats ass about "PC" but we shall, as they say, agree to disagree on this one.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    LOL!
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    So if I get this right, 95% of action films today should not have been made. Tom Cruise is thus too old for 'Ghost Protocol', 'Rogue Nation', 'Edge of Tomorrow', 'Jack Reacher', 'Never go Back', Mel Gibson is too old for 'Blood Father', Jason Statham is too old for 'Safe', 'Homefront', 'Mechanic: Resurrection', Stallone/Arnie are too old for 'Escape Plan', 'The Last Stand', 'Rambo 4', 'Expendables 1/2/3', Liam Neeson is too old for 'Taken 1/2/3', 'Unknown', 'Non Stop', 'The Grey', 'The A Team', 'Run All Night', Keanu Reeves is too old for 'John Wick 1/2', Brad Pitt is too old for 'Fury', Matt Damon is too old for 'Jason Bourne', Pierce Brosnan is too old for 'No Escape', 'The November Man', 'The Foreigner', Jackie Chan is too old for 'Skiptrace'...

    :D Nice...
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited September 2016 Posts: 15,712
    I'm sure if I called Russell Crowe, Keanu Reeves or Jason Statham 'middle aged' guys, they would wipe the floor with my ass and then snap my legs within 2 seconds.
  • So if I get this right, 95% of action films today should not have been made. Tom Cruise is thus too old for 'Ghost Protocol', 'Rogue Nation', 'Edge of Tomorrow', 'Jack Reacher', 'Never go Back', Mel Gibson is too old for 'Blood Father', Jason Statham is too old for 'Safe', 'Homefront', 'Mechanic: Resurrection', Stallone/Arnie are too old for 'Escape Plan', 'The Last Stand', 'Rambo 4', 'Expendables 1/2/3', Liam Neeson is too old for 'Taken 1/2/3', 'Unknown', 'Non Stop', 'The Grey', 'The A Team', 'Run All Night', Keanu Reeves is too old for 'John Wick 1/2', Brad Pitt is too old for 'Fury', Matt Damon is too old for 'Jason Bourne', Pierce Brosnan is too old for 'No Escape', 'The November Man', 'The Foreigner', Jackie Chan is too old for 'Skiptrace'...

    Except Bond isn't an action film you twerp. Bond is a literary character who is not an old man.
  • I'm so tired of this Daniel-Craig-Stays-Daniel-Craig-Leaves-Another-Actor-Will-Take-Over-discussion. It really takes the soul out of the Bond franchise. I mean, do fans of Marvel and Mission: Impossible question Robert Downey Jr. or Tom Cruise? Are the press attacking them? Two equally 'bald headed old rotten dinosaurs'. I mean really, can't we just be patient, support the status quo for a moment and ignore all this gossip? I mean, I am still stunned how popular these topics are. Not to say that I don't respect them, but in a way I think it's nicer to discuss facts and not gossip, and especially not another filler-stain about the 'frontrunners to replace Craig'.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Twerp?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited September 2016 Posts: 15,712
    What are QOS, TND or DAD if not 'action films'? And the parkour chase in CR, is that a dramatic scene? Ludovico said 45 years is too old for a soldier/secret agent, thus that disqualifies most of the films I've listed.
  • a gentle rebuke meaning silly or annoying person
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    a gentle rebuke meaning silly or annoying person

    OK, Twerp

  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    do fans of Marvel and Mission: Impossible question Robert Downey Jr. or Tom Cruise?

    Cruise is going to film the next M:I film in 4 months time. Downey Jr is filming his next 3 films as Iron Man. That's why they are not questioned, we know they are making further sequels. Daniel Craig is not confirmed for Bond 25 as of today, thus it's normal for people to wonder if he'll be in it, and if not, who will replace him.
  • What are QOS, TND or DAD if not 'action films'? And the parkour chase in CR, is that a dramatic scene? Ludovico said 45 years is too old for a soldier/secret agent, thus that disqualifies most of the films I've listed.

    Of course Bond films contain action but they are not action films (or they ought not to be). Why are people pushing for an old man Bond, when that is not Fleming's character. I don't care how physically fit you are, age still limits what your body can cope with so even if you class Bond as action films a younger one is preferable. This is about a character defined in books, not an arbitrary decision.

    @talos7 good you're learning. If you want any more English lessons you can send me a PM.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    do fans of Marvel and Mission: Impossible question Robert Downey Jr. or Tom Cruise?

    Cruise is going to film the next M:I film in 4 months time. Downey Jr is filming his next 3 films as Iron Man. That's why they are not questioned, we know they are making further sequels. Daniel Craig is not confirmed for Bond 25 as of today, thus it's normal for people to wonder if he'll be in it, and if not, who will replace him.

    This. It's not like after we saw CR back in 2006, everyone was discussing the next actor to play Bond, but rather the next movie. We didn't do it after QoS or SF, either, because we always had a general idea of how far Craig may go in his era. Given his recent comments and this odd uncertainty of when the series will continue, why wouldn't we discuss other odds?

    It seems some can't accept that Craig will step down from the role at some point, and won't always be Bond. There's no harm in discussing that at all.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Oh , I knew what the word meant; My comment was an observation of someone who was being condescending, rude, and displaying "Keyboard courage"
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited September 2016 Posts: 15,712
    What are QOS, TND or DAD if not 'action films'? And the parkour chase in CR, is that a dramatic scene? Ludovico said 45 years is too old for a soldier/secret agent, thus that disqualifies most of the films I've listed.

    Of course Bond films contain action but they are not action films (or they ought not to be). Why are people pushing for an old man Bond, when that is not Fleming's character. I don't care how physically fit you are, age still limits what your body can cope with so even if you class Bond as action films a younger one is preferable. This is about a character defined in books, not an arbitrary decision.

    @talos7 good you're learning. If you want any more English lessons you can send me a PM.

    As you are so concerned with Fleming's Bond, that version of the character was a smoker, so the Parkour chase is un-Bondian because Craig wasn't smoking while trying to catch Mollaka? So you'd be ok with Craig chain smoking 60 cigarettes during QOS, calling it more realistic and Bond-like than a fit, non smoker 58 years old Bond?
  • Calm it pal, I'm only messing with you.
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    What are QOS, TND or DAD if not 'action films'? And the parkour chase in CR, is that a dramatic scene? Ludovico said 45 years is too old for a soldier/secret agent, thus that disqualifies most of the films I've listed.

    You are building a straw man. I talked about Bond's age, not another character's. A man who is an operative, not a station agent or a high ranking officer. Who is a Don Juan but not a sugar daddy. Who was conceived as relatively young.
  • do fans of Marvel and Mission: Impossible question Robert Downey Jr. or Tom Cruise?

    Cruise is going to film the next M:I film in 4 months time. Downey Jr is filming his next 3 films as Iron Man. That's why they are not questioned, we know they are making further sequels. Daniel Craig is not confirmed for Bond 25 as of today, thus it's normal for people to wonder if he'll be in it, and if not, who will replace him.

    That is fair enough. But age has nothing to do with it. I already came across with some 'facial comparison pictures' of Craig in 2006 and in 2015. I mean, WTF? Daniel Craig simply is a different actor, a classic method-actor who also loves stage acting and starring in plays. And although I'm ok if people keep wondering if Daniel Craig will be in or out, I find it an uninteresting discussion. It doesn't speed up things, EON doesn't look at our worries in here. And frankly, I understand that. Patience these days isn't a virtue anymore, and I think it should be again.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    What are QOS, TND or DAD if not 'action films'? And the parkour chase in CR, is that a dramatic scene? Ludovico said 45 years is too old for a soldier/secret agent, thus that disqualifies most of the films I've listed.

    Of course Bond films contain action but they are not action films (or they ought not to be). Why are people pushing for an old man Bond, when that is not Fleming's character. I don't care how physically fit you are, age still limits what your body can cope with so even if you class Bond as action films a younger one is preferable. This is about a character defined in books, not an arbitrary decision.
    Fleming's character was never given a proper age. His date of birth or the year itself was constantly changed. The 50 year old man of today is not "Old Man Bond", well not if you're making comparisons to the template of Old Man Logan, where the character was in his 70s, if I remember correctly. James Bond is ageless as far as I'm concerned, but his looks are strictly cited as rugged, cold yet handsomely sophisticated. Actors below 40 don't have that, today.
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    In MR Bond is 35.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I believe I did say his date of birth was constantly changing.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Some of us enjoy having these discussions. If others don't like it, then there are other threads for you here. I count 29 or so on the first page alone.
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    From my perspective, of course there is an upper age band limit for Bond actor, in order for them to be credible. What is that? Who knows? I'd have watched Cary Grant playing Bond at 59 (his age when he did Charade, one of my favourite thrillers). So perhaps for the right actor around 55 could be the upper age band.

    Does that apply to all of them? Of course not. It depends on general fitness, health and genetics. It must be taken on a case by case basis.
  • What are QOS, TND or DAD if not 'action films'? And the parkour chase in CR, is that a dramatic scene? Ludovico said 45 years is too old for a soldier/secret agent, thus that disqualifies most of the films I've listed.

    Of course Bond films contain action but they are not action films (or they ought not to be). Why are people pushing for an old man Bond, when that is not Fleming's character. I don't care how physically fit you are, age still limits what your body can cope with so even if you class Bond as action films a younger one is preferable. This is about a character defined in books, not an arbitrary decision.

    @talos7 good you're learning. If you want any more English lessons you can send me a PM.

    As you are so concerned with Fleming's Bond, that version of the character was a smoker, so the Parkour chase is un-Bondian because Craig wasn't smoking while trying to catch Mollaka? So you'd be ok with Craig chain smoking 60 cigarettes during QOS, calling it more realistic and Bond-like than a fit, non smoker 58 years old Bond?


    Yes I would want Bond to smoke (in the film, not in real life). I think a 58 year Bond was absurd in 1985 and it would be absurd now. I don't see the connection with the parkour chase. You think a smoker is always incapable of that?
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    Besides if we are going for older why not just have one film with Neeson as 007 and Hopkins as Blofeld call it The Final Assignment and there you go.
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    I believe I did say his date of birth was constantly changing.

    Yes to keep Bond young.
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