Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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    bondjames wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    I'd put money on him being the next Bond.

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    The big problem... no small problem with Jack is... is that he's a dwarf. They are remaking The Lord of the Rings into a TV series. Jack stands more chance of playing one of the new Hobbits than he does the next Bond. As good an actor as Jack might be, no amount of low angle shots or movie magic is going to make him appear tall enough in real life to carry the full weight and heavy expectations of being the next James Bond.
    Quite. I think we've already stretched the bounds of credibility as far it will go in that regard. I'd prefer no more vertically challenged choices, which is why I can't advocate for Hardy, great though he is. Time to take it back to tall, dark and handsome with a cruel streak imho.

    Tom Cruise is even shorter but they make it work in his films so I genuinely can't see height as a massive issue.

    I think Jack O' Connell would be very good. Great actor, can do vulnerable/emotional very well but also tough and masculine. I think a lot of the suggested candidates so far seem too poncey and too hipstery for me. He's the only younger one I've seen suggested who I'd be convinced by as soon as he was announced. I think he's a real possibility too because he's cut from a similar cloth to Craig. Successful with critics (surprised he didn't get any awards recognition for Starred Up) but not a Hollywood star. Very British but rougher, not really posh, and someone with a bit of an edge to him. I think he's a lot more likely than Turned and co personally, seems like someone BB would pick, and I think he could do a really good job.

    But if it was up to me I'd cast an older, possibly more established actor even if it meant we only got them for one or two films. None of the rising star types suggested on here have swayed me and 30 year olds don't look like Sean Connery anymore. And I think shorter runs before switching actors could be refreshing after Craig has been doing it for so long.
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
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    bondjames wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Aidan has broken the silence. Confirms he is interested in playing Bond after Craig. Best news we've had in months.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5689187/amp/Aidan-Turner-finally-breaks-silence-replacing-Daniel-Craig-James-Bond.html

    Shame they couldn't get him in for B25,at least it would speed the transition up.
    Indeed. I'd be ok with Turner. I prefer him to Norton, personally.

    Can't see Graham Norton as Bond! Isn't he too old? Ha Ha…
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Aidan Turner is the proper and appropriate age to be the next Bond. He will be in his late thirties in 2022, so there is plenty of time for four or five films, but at the same time he won't look baby faced like some are complaining now. Craig has always given me the impression of not wanting to get his hands dirty, and wearing suits everywhere pretty much. I'd like a Bond that is a survival expert also, who isn't afraid of the outdoors and doesn't stay mostly in cities. I remember Brosnan used to put his black overalls on, and that meant he was going in to enemy territory. The next Bond also has to be like a hidden figure in the shadows, as much as a storm in guy like Craig who is blunt about everything.
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    wearing suits everywhere pretty much.

    It's weird how that's played out because one of the things that I liked about CR/QoS was that he didn't just wear a suit everywhere. They had him in more casual clothes too which I thought seemed more modern, a bit cooler and less conservative.

    SF/SP seem a lot stuffier in comparison imo with the whole deliberately retro (ignoring how skinny fitting the suits are) aesthetic they've got going on. That's one of the few things I prefer from the first half of the Craig era over the second.
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    Aidan Turner is the proper and appropriate age to be the next Bond. He will be in his late thirties in 2022, so there is plenty of time for four or five films, but at the same time he won't look baby faced like some are complaining now. Craig has always given me the impression of not wanting to get his hands dirty, and wearing suits everywhere pretty much. I'd like a Bond that is a survival expert also, who isn't afraid of the outdoors and doesn't stay mostly in cities. I remember Brosnan used to put his black overalls on, and that meant he was going in to enemy territory. The next Bond also has to be like a hidden figure in the shadows, as much as a storm in guy like Craig who is blunt about everything.

    He is the complete opposite of what you say in his personal life. Didnt you notice? Oh, I forgot - making up stuff is more your way. Wont bring in Turner any sooner, most likely not at all.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I think Dutch actor Michiel Huisman could be a decent Bond.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    I'd put money on him being the next Bond.

    Jack+O+Connell+23rd+Annual+Critics+Choice+-qnZ3Hn6f-Al.jpg
    The big problem... no small problem with Jack is... is that he's a dwarf. They are remaking The Lord of the Rings into a TV series. Jack stands more chance of playing one of the new Hobbits than he does the next Bond. As good an actor as Jack might be, no amount of low angle shots or movie magic is going to make him appear tall enough in real life to carry the full weight and heavy expectations of being the next James Bond.
    Quite. I think we've already stretched the bounds of credibility as far it will go in that regard. I'd prefer no more vertically challenged choices, which is why I can't advocate for Hardy, great though he is. Time to take it back to tall, dark and handsome with a cruel streak imho.

    Tom Cruise is even shorter but they make it work in his films so I genuinely can't see height as a massive issue.
    You have a point on Tom's height, but Tom is Tom. One of the greats with oodles of charisma. Moreover, he's not playing James Bond. As I noted earlier, I believe Craig has opened the floodgates, and I'd rather they be locked once more. This is an exclusive club imho.
    I think Jack O' Connell would be very good. Great actor, can do vulnerable/emotional very well but also tough and masculine. I think a lot of the suggested candidates so far seem too poncey and too hipstery for me. He's the only younger one I've seen suggested who I'd be convinced by as soon as he was announced. I think he's a real possibility too because he's cut from a similar cloth to Craig. Successful with critics (surprised he didn't get any awards recognition for Starred Up) but not a Hollywood star. Very British but rougher, not really posh, and someone with a bit of an edge to him. I think he's a lot more likely than Turned and co personally, seems like someone BB would pick, and I think he could do a really good job.
    I don't disagree with your assessment of him vis a vis Craig. They are indeed cut from a similar (and in my view, more common) cloth. Lacks charisma to me though.
    But if it was up to me I'd cast an older, possibly more established actor even if it meant we only got them for one or two films. None of the rising star types suggested on here have swayed me and 30 year olds don't look like Sean Connery anymore. And I think shorter runs before switching actors could be refreshing after Craig has been doing it for so long.
    I'd be fine with this. Fassbender is available I believe.
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    Tom Cruise is even shorter but they make it work in his films so I genuinely can't see height as a massive issue.
    And yet, didn't you yourself baulk at the casting of Tom Cruise as Jack Reacher, a character who is meant to be an imposing 6-feet-5-inches tall and weighing 250 pounds? Besides. Cruise is already a proven and established A-list actor—Jack O' Connell sadly is not. Thing is, I agreed with you over the casting of Cruise as Reacher. It only helps that maybe a large portion of the audience aren't familiar with the books, and are going to see a Reacher movie because it stars their favourite action star: Tom Cruise.
    I think Jack O' Connell would be very good. Great actor, can do vulnerable/emotional very well but also tough and masculine. I think a lot of the suggested candidates so far seem too poncey and too hipstery for me. He's the only younger one I've seen suggested who I'd be convinced by as soon as he was announced. I think he's a real possibility too because he's cut from a similar cloth to Craig. Successful with critics (surprised he didn't get any awards recognition for Starred Up) but not a Hollywood star. Very British but rougher, not really posh, and someone with a bit of an edge to him. I think he's a lot more likely than Turned and co personally, seems like someone BB would pick, and I think he could do a really good job.
    I don't disagree with some of the things you say here, notably that some of the "suggested candidates so far seem too poncey and too hipstery". However, I don't think it's necessary that Bond continually show his vulnerable/emotional side. It worked within the context of CR as it was intrinsic to his relationship with Vesper. Less so in SF, IMHO, whereupon it felt way too contrived and riffing off the Tracy death scene in OHMSS and of course Dame Judy's popularity that brought her tenure to a close. If Bond is to show his vulnerable side, I'd rather it be shown when the stakes are high and it's only shown sparingly. The ice rink scene in OHMSS is a good example of this. One of the criticisms levelled at Craig's Bond, whether rightly or wrongly, is that he's the Emo Bond. It would be nice to get away from this and return to Fleming's (and some of the better Bond's) stiff-upper-lip approach. Even Jason Bourne, after the first Bourne Identity, managed to steer away from too much pathos and susceptibility. I guess my point is, it's a side of Bond I no longer want to see anymore. It's been done to death and it's already getting stale.
    But if it was up to me I'd cast an older, possibly more established actor even if it meant we only got them for one or two films. None of the rising star types suggested on here have swayed me and 30 year olds don't look like Sean Connery anymore. And I think shorter runs before switching actors could be refreshing after Craig has been doing it for so long.
    The only problem with casting an older actor is the problem of him ageing too quickly in the role. Unless something drastic happens at MGM, Bond movies are going to be made even less frequently than at any other time before. Also, Fleming didn't write the character as a middle-aged man. That's why he had the OO section face mandatory retirement at 45. The other problem is that this is a successfully run business, built heavily upon big investment. Trying to get big-time investors interested in sinking tens of millions of their own money into your product with a growing budget per movie of $259m and with a constantly changing figurehead might damage your reputation and credibility amongst the audience and other backers. And it kind of smacks a bit of Dr. Who—a TV show that relies heavily upon TV licence fee money and not actual audience viewing figures to survive. If Dr. Who were on Fox, or say any cable channel, it would've been cancelled already. Personally, I think the producers need to inject a bit of virility back into Bond, and they can start by casting an actor in his early thirties. So long as it isn't Norton, Hiddleston or O' Connell, it'll be a step in the right direction. Of course, this is only my opinion but I thought I'd share it with y'all.
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    @bondsum I think the difference is that his height and weight are some of Reacher's defining characteristics. He kills a man with one punch in one book. Bond's height just isn't as important imo. He's tall in the books but that's more of a footnote than anything else.

    I'm not necessarily saying Bond should always be emotional either. Just saying that O'Connell could bring those layers to it if needed. He also does tough and masculine very well.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @bondsum I think the difference is that his height and weight are some of Reacher's defining characteristics. He kills a man with one punch in one book. Bond's height just isn't as important imo. He's tall in the books but that's more of a footnote than anything else.

    I'm not necessarily saying Bond should always be emotional either. Just saying that O'Connell could bring those layers to it if needed. He also does tough and masculine very well.

    I love DC as Bond, right behind SC, but, I must say, Fleming's Bond was tall as part of his psychological make-up: he mentions how he very much distrusts small men. It's a clear act of prejudice. My feeling is that Fleming made Bond taller than average to better express this prejudice (I'm assuming that this is obviously something the writer himself felt as well; plus all the tyrants of the day, especially the ass who was the catalyst for WWII was only 5'7...)

    Edit: which because of this, makes DC's Bond so good to me: he didn't need the height to be able to play 007. He embodies the "blunt" instrument and the orphan through skill-- that's my opinion, one I felt from the get-go, and not one to stir the pot. I am very clear that this is not the opinion of others, and that's fine.

    Edit 2: as I re-watch LTK, if looks/height were everything to Bond, then Tim Dalton would be the BEST Bond... He DID look like Hoagy, perfect height, slim build, but...
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    peter wrote: »
    Edit 2: as I re-watch LTK, if looks/height were everything to Bond, then Tim Dalton would be the BEST Bond... He DID look like Hoagy, perfect height, slim build, but...

    But what? He was every bit as good in the part as Craig--and perhaps less heavy-handed at playing the personal stuff. Neither is gifted at throwaway lines, but nowadays that seems like a less crippling flaw. Dalton's main fault was playing Bond at the wrong time. A pity he wasn't born three decades later.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    But... @Revelator ... I found him too stagey at times, in voice and action, and was weak throwing punches (physically, great face-- his body was like Kara's-- it was terrible... Fleming's Bond swam and did judo (even considered writing a book about self-defence)... Dalton's body looked like a 10 year old boy). He also lacked what I perceive as Bond's hedonism...

    Saying that, I admire much of what he did to correct where Moore went off the rails...
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    peter wrote: »
    But... @Revelator ... I found him too stagey at times, in voice and action, and was weak throwing punches (physically, great face-- his body was like Kara's-- it was terrible... Fleming's Bond swam and did judo (even considered writing a book about self-defence)... Dalton's body looked like a 10 year old boy). He also lacked what I perceive as Bond's hedonism...

    By modern day standards (especially Craig's), Dalton's physique isn't great, but it was no worse than Moore's. And it's nothing time at the gym couldn't solve. I suppose Dalton was lighter on hedonism, but Craig wasn't much better, and after Roger overdid the foppery, lessened hedonism was a relief. I will grant none of Dalton's fistfights was impressive, but blame lies just as heavily on the director and stunt coordinators, and he didn't get many to fistfights to begin with. Plus in his other action scenes he moves well enough. As for staginess, I've never understood this complaint--Dalton seemed to me more natural and less stylized than his predecessors; when given the opportunity to show emotion he genuinely smouldered, as shown in his reactions to the deaths of Sanders and Della. And he also captured the melancholy, Byronic quality (as Kingsley Amis put it) of Bond better than any actor who has played the role.

    I should stop there, since I'm engaging in an old debate that will be never be concluded, but I will say that if Dalton was around 35 today, he would certainly be my pick for the next Bond. And if there are any actors around today who have his classic matinee idol looks and Byronic temperament, they would be ideal for the role. But I don't know of any who do.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    when I say staginess @Revelator, quite often I can see him "act" "Sadness" "Anger" and so on...

    Re: physique I would say he and Roger were on par, sadly, since Dalton is probably the best looking Bond so far-- and resembled Fleming's Hoagy the closest...

    Re: hedonism: I don't mean Rog's comic bedding of babes... I mean a man who takes women, drink and food with great pleasure... I didn't see Dalton take pleasure in these things...

    Saying all of this, if this man made one more 007 picture, I'm sure he would have taken third spot from RM, cleanly-- there's much to admire in his two performances....

    I agree with you-- if Dalton was 35 now, he'd be a clear winner to take over from Craig (especially when compared to the Hiddlestons and Turners and so on-- apologies to those that like these actors, but, I think they had their shot during this hiatus and were seen as not up to snuff (part of the reason why DC was brought back into the fold (no clear successor, even after meeting with these types of actors))).....
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    @Benny well it would seem odd and tiresome if craig did continue as bond after 25 cause of rumors are to be believed bond 25 is being written as craig's swansong
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    @bondsum I think the difference is that his height and weight are some of Reacher's defining characteristics. He kills a man with one punch in one book. Bond's height just isn't as important imo. He's tall in the books but that's more of a footnote than anything else.

    I'm not necessarily saying Bond should always be emotional either. Just saying that O'Connell could bring those layers to it if needed. He also does tough and masculine very well.
    I'm not totally adverse to actors under 6-foot playing 007. It happened to work with Craig. Though I feel he's the exception not the rule. It could've even happened before Craig, if we remember that Mel Gibson was first approached to play Bond in the Eighties. Crazy, crazy Cubby. Fortunately he turned down the role for fear of being typecast. As you mentioned above, the literary incarnation of Jack Reacher is pretty much set in stone as being an imposing 6-feet-5-inches tall. I'd argue that Bond's characteristics are also pretty much set in stone. Though, I think we've only really had two actors fill the description properly; those being Connery and Lazenby, certainly where age appropriation and physicality comes into play. Dalton looked the part with his clothes on, less so when stripped down. Same goes for Moore. And Brosnan was pretty weedy, too.

    The only real reason Fleming first described Bond as baring a similarity to Hoagy Carmichael was because Fleming looked a bit like the American composer himself. Call it writer's vanity. Let's be honest here, none of the actors have born any similarity to Hoagy Carmichael. I believe it was the incredibly popular Daily Express cartoon by John McLusky that first gave Bond the look that everybody now associates with 007. It was also an important factor in Connery's casting and subsequently Lazenby's. Either way, Fleming does describe Bond as 6-feet tall. It just so happens the majority of the actors that have played him, all bar one, have all been over 6-feet tall. You honestly can't tell me that when watching those old Bond movies when Bond is going toe-to-toe against a henchmen or villain, that he doesn't look good sneering down at his foe. If I'm going to point out any weakness in Craig's Bond performance then this is it.

    I'd also say, ask anybody to describe Bond, and they would say: "Tall, dark and handsome."
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    One thing to mention is that Craig was ready to pack it in, and was expecting to be fired before Skyfall was even realised, so every film since QoS has been a Swansong of sorts.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Craig was expecting to be fired??? News to me.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondsum wrote: »
    Either way, Fleming does describe Bond as 6-feet tall. It just so happens the majority of the actors that have played him, all bar one, have all been over 6-feet tall. You honestly can't tell me that when watching those old Bond movies when Bond is going toe-to-toe against a henchmen or villain, that he doesn't look good sneering down at his foe.
    That's an essential part of the performance for me. The fact that he does tower over a lot of his foes.
    bondsum wrote: »
    If I'm going to point out any weakness in Craig's Bond performance then this is it.
    It is a weakness, and I'm tired of the camera tricks and short actors they have to cast in order to not make it so obvious.
    bondsum wrote: »
    I'd also say, ask anybody to describe Bond, and they would say: "Tall, dark and handsome."
    That's how I would describe him. With a hint of cruelty.
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    peter wrote: »
    Craig was expecting to be fired??? News to me.
    Yeah, I think @Mendes4Lyfe is just making stuff up now.
    bondjames wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    I'd also say, ask anybody to describe Bond, and they would say: "Tall, dark and handsome."
    That's how I would describe him. With a hint of cruelty.
    Absolutely, which I think Craig at least does bring to the table in his performance, so the fact that he's vertically challenged is forgiven in this one instance.
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    I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking Dalton was a frustrating fighter. Which I never understood why: he's physically more intimidating than Moore and Brosnan who were both depicted as capable fighters even if it was stretching credibility.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    bondsum wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Craig was expecting to be fired??? News to me.
    Yeah, I think @Mendes4Lyfe is just making stuff up now.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2229255/Daniel-Craig-admits-desperate-leave-James-Bond-franchise-ahead-Skyfall.html
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    What’s the definition of sarcasm again?
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking Dalton was a frustrating fighter. Which I never understood why: he's physically more intimidating than Moore and Brosnan who were both depicted as capable fighters even if it was stretching credibility.
    Yes, that fight scene in the Bimini Bar (LTK) springs to mind. It's shot like an old fashioned bar brawl from Dodge City (1939). In fact, I'm doing Dodge City a disservice as it's far better staged in that movie. As much as I like Dalton and prefer him over the latter Moore Bonds (anything post TMWTGG that is), I can't understand for the life of me why a small minority here think he's the best 007. Dalton never sold the physicality of the role like either Connery or Lazenby did, which puts him lower down in the overall pecking order to me.
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    bondsum wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking Dalton was a frustrating fighter. Which I never understood why: he's physically more intimidating than Moore and Brosnan who were both depicted as capable fighters even if it was stretching credibility.
    Yes, that fight scene in the Bimini Bar (LTK) springs to mind. It's shot like an old fashioned bar brawl from Dodge City (1939). In fact, I'm doing Dodge City a disservice as it's far better staged in that movie. As much as I like Dalton and prefer him over the latter Moore Bonds (anything post TMWTGG that is), I can't understand for the life of me why a small minority here think he's the best 007. Dalton never sold the physicality of the role like either Connery or Lazenby did, which puts him lower down in the overall pecking order to me.

    What I don't understand is that he could have sold the role physically. Far better than Moore or Brosnan. But they are both depicted as more capable fighters. I need to rewatch The Rocketeer, but Dalton seemed good enough going mano a mano then so that's no fault of his own.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    bondsum wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Craig was expecting to be fired??? News to me.
    Yeah, I think @Mendes4Lyfe is just making stuff up now.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2229255/Daniel-Craig-admits-desperate-leave-James-Bond-franchise-ahead-Skyfall.html

    A classic example of how tabloids get rid of the context to make their own story. The Original source:
    https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/cover-story-excerpt-daniel-craig-the-man-behind-james-bond-20121109

    It's what one would call 'a figure of speech'. He says 'they won't let me'. How on earth would they stop him? Have mads stand ready with a rope (or even more classic: carpet beater) to stop him from going?

    Anyway, I'd vote for James D 'Arcy. I don't know anything about his acting but he played Ian Fleming himself before. Is the right age and looks the part imo.

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    Ludovico wrote: »
    What I don't understand is that he could have sold the role physically. Far better than Moore or Brosnan. But they are both depicted as more capable fighters. I need to rewatch The Rocketeer, but Dalton seemed good enough going mano a mano then so that's no fault of his own.
    I think you're right. Dalton could've sold it had he been given better tutorials in how to fight. After all, he does well in the water-skiing scenes. For this I lay the blame squarely on John Glen's shoulders and the Mexican stunt-coordinators. Though I believe Connery and Lazenby were more suited and were gifted naturals to the physical demands of the role than Dalton was.
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    bondsum wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    What I don't understand is that he could have sold the role physically. Far better than Moore or Brosnan. But they are both depicted as more capable fighters. I need to rewatch The Rocketeer, but Dalton seemed good enough going mano a mano then so that's no fault of his own.
    I think you're right. Dalton could've sold it had he been given better tutorials in how to fight. After all, he does well in the water-skiing scenes. For this I lay the blame squarely on John Glen's shoulders and the Mexican stunt-coordinators. Though I believe Connery and Lazenby were more suited and were gifted naturals to the physical demands of the role than Dalton was.

    I think it's also a certain approach to the role which was a mistake: make Bond a vulnerable everyman. As a fighter I don't think he should be depicted as average. But even Connery in DAF seemed particularly inept at times.

    I know Dalton was fighting the ghost of Brosnan, but being depicted as a mediocre fighter at best didn't help his popularity.
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    bondsum wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Craig was expecting to be fired??? News to me.
    Yeah, I think @Mendes4Lyfe is just making stuff up now.



    NOW?
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    bondsum wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Craig was expecting to be fired??? News to me.
    Yeah, I think @Mendes4Lyfe is just making stuff up now.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2229255/Daniel-Craig-admits-desperate-leave-James-Bond-franchise-ahead-Skyfall.html

    Oh yeah, the daily knows it all. Come on. Even for you its low standard. But he was always indifferent about the next to come - because who knows, what lays ahead. Theres a difference. Its his way of thinkng.

    BTW - whenever you lash out maybe think again, because in the slight chance, that Turner gets the gig, you will be in my shoes. Much luck with that. Because the backlash is inevitable to come.
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