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  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    There are good points in this thread so far. How M was a woman and all. Then the Fleming vision isn’t all that important. However, I think that what bonds character is, is more than a suave spy. He is the last remaining symobol of the British kingdom, the colonial centerpiece of a forgotten glory era. Everyone else has died but Bond is still alive. Bond represents this time in British history and so for that reason, yes he can be blonde I guess, but making him black makes no sense because no people of that color were in British power at that time. He has to be tall because he is a stature representing the British kingdom. He can’t be some scrawny 5 foot 7 guy.

    Anyway this is just my interpretation of Fleming’s character
  • NS_writingsNS_writings Buenos Aires
    Posts: 544
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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    NS_writings wrote: »
    CASINO ROYALE IS TOO MUCH FOR ONE JAMES BOND!
    JOIN THE CASINO ROYALE INCLUSIVE MOVEMENT!

    Idris Elba is James Bond.
    Charlize Theron is James Bond.
    Jackie Chan is James Bond.
    Jack Black is James Bond.
    Lupita N'yongo is James Bond.
    Melissa McCathy is the heaviest heavy of SMERSH (no pun intended, sorry).
    Oprah Winfrey is James Bond.
    Miley Cyrus has a ball.
    Morgan freeman has a bash.

    Justin Bieber.
    Joe Jonas.
    Selena Gómez.

    Robert De Niro.
    Oliver Martinez

    CASINO ROYALE IS TOO MUCH FOR ONE JAMES BOND!

    Laurence Fishbourne is James Bond.
    Kendall Jenner is James Bond.

    CASINO ROYALE IS INDESTRUCTIBLY INCLUSIVE!
    INDESCRIBIBLY FUNNY!

    JOIN THE CASINO ROYALE INCLUSIVE MOVEMENT!


    =))

    Nice!!
  • vzokvzok
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    It’s also the success of Black Panther that is making them think once more about a black 007
  • DewiWynBondDewiWynBond
    edited June 2022 Posts: 976
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  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
    edited August 2018 Posts: 4,410
    The truth is Idris is too qualified to be James Bond.

    - Regardless of his race, he's worked with numerous top tier talents (the kind of directors most Bond actors get to work with once they get connected to the franchise),
    - he's a genuine A-list star
    - he produces his own films
    -he's directing his own movies
    - has his own hit TV series,
    - he's a televison personality and fronts his owns documentaries-
    - he's starred in numerous big-budget Hollywood movies
    - he's addressed Parliament on diversity matters
    - he has an OBE

    I think Bond needs Idris elba a lot more than Idris needs it.



    Regardless of age, if Eon were to recruit him, it be a very smart move. They'd be guaranteed a big box office, especially considering the public support and momentum to see him cast.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Diversity does not mean changing the race , sexual preference and/or gender of countless established, some iconic characters that have been portrayed by white heterosexual males.
  • Benjamin_Weekly69Benjamin_Weekly69 London
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    M_Blaise wrote: »
    Elba has charisma but his acting is mostly just his "personality".

    So just like Sean Connery and Roger Moore? It's called being a movie star. Why's that a problem now?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    While seeing Prometheus in the cinema, I noticed that Elba had something Conneryesque about him. It s in his look, and his nonchalant flirting.
  • M_BlaiseM_Blaise
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    Benjamin_Weekly69 wrote: »
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    Elba has charisma but his acting is mostly just his "personality".

    So just like Sean Connery and Roger Moore? It's called being a movie star. Why's that a problem now?

    Bond wasn't really Connery's personality, wasn't he trained by Terence Young? Dismissed as a brick layer and stuntman? (Note: that's not me dismissing anything)

    Surely Moore's personality was Bond though? Since he used an almost identical one in the Saint (just slightly tougher that time).

    My opinion though is that Elba's personality is Idris Elba, not Bond.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    He's still too old for Bond.
  • M_BlaiseM_Blaise
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    He's still too old for Bond.

    If only that ended the conversation.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    While seeing Prometheus in the cinema, I noticed that Elba had something Conneryesque about him. It s in his look, and his nonchalant flirting.
    Absolutely. You can readily believe that someone as attractive as Theron's character could impulsively drop it all (literally) for him. That's not a quality most actors possess.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Cast Elba as a Bond villain, and watch his supporters go ballistic.

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  • HarmonyRocketsHarmonyRockets
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    For making movies more inclusive today, I totally agree with what someone else said here, that instead of making Bond black or a woman they should create an original black spy movie/franchise or female spy franchise (such as Modesty Blaise). To me Black Panther is a great example. That was so much better as far as social importance, entertainment value, as a story, or whatever than if instead of that they had just made Superman black or something.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2018 Posts: 23,883
    HarmonyRockets wrote: »
    For making movies more inclusive today, I totally agree with what someone else said here, that instead of making Bond black or a woman they should create an original black spy movie/franchise or female spy franchise (such as Modesty Blaise). To me Black Panther is a great example. That was so much better as far as social importance, entertainment value, as a story, or whatever than if instead of that they had just made Superman black or something.
    Agreed.

    It's coming too, and sooner than you think. Forget OO7. Soon we'll have 355 (no idea where they come up with that number), a female fronted spy franchise (coincidentally distributed by Universal) which will be headlined by Jessica Chastain. It will also star Fan Bingbing, Marion Cotillard, Penelope Cruz and Lupita Nyong'o as spies from different countries who all team up.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    Cast Elba as a Bond villain, and watch his supporters go ballistic.
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    This has been proposed and is a great idea; a hero needs a worth opponent. Picture an Elba/Craig fight, as well as the two of them verbally sparring.
  • fanbond123fanbond123
    edited August 2018 Posts: 1,661
    The Hollywood Reporter has run an item dismissing the latest Idris Elba story. Apparently it's a total fabrication:
    Fuqua was said to have mentioned Idris Elba in conversation. "You need a guy with physically strong presence. Idris has that," was how the Star quotes what the Fuqua "pal" said the director had told Broccoli.

    But a rep for Fuqua threw cold water on the story. "He never had a conversation with Barbara about the franchise or about any casting. It’s all made up stuff. Not sure how it got started," the rep told The Hollywood Reporter.

    A rep for Elba declined comment, but a knowledgeable source says no one from Elba’s team is aware of any overtures.

  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,814
    bondjames wrote: »
    HarmonyRockets wrote: »
    For making movies more inclusive today, I totally agree with what someone else said here, that instead of making Bond black or a woman they should create an original black spy movie/franchise or female spy franchise (such as Modesty Blaise). To me Black Panther is a great example. That was so much better as far as social importance, entertainment value, as a story, or whatever than if instead of that they had just made Superman black or something.
    Agreed.

    It's coming too, and sooner than you think. Forget OO7. Soon we'll have 355 (no idea where they come up with that number), a female fronted spy franchise (coincidentally distributed by Universal) which will be headlined by Jessica Chastain. It will also star Fan Bingbing, Marion Cotillard, Penelope Cruz and Lupita Nyong'o as spies from different countries who all team up.

    Chastain, Cotillard and Cruz in a spy film? I'll watch that!
  • GetafixGetafix
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I've been giving some thought to this.

    The reason Elba's name keeps coming up is because, apart from his skin colour (before any one has a go, I'm a traditionalist and not the other "ist") and age, he would make a perfect James Bond.

    I agree. He has “it” - whatever “it” is. If he was younger he’d have been the obvious choice.
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    There are good points in this thread so far. How M was a woman and all. Then the Fleming vision isn’t all that important. However, I think that what bonds character is, is more than a suave spy. He is the last remaining symobol of the British kingdom, the colonial centerpiece of a forgotten glory era. Everyone else has died but Bond is still alive. Bond represents this time in British history and so for that reason, yes he can be blonde I guess, but making him black makes no sense because no people of that color were in British power at that time. He has to be tall because he is a stature representing the British kingdom. He can’t be some scrawny 5 foot 7 guy.

    Anyway this is just my interpretation of Fleming’s character

    Interesting point but Fleming actually wrote Bond at a time when the empire was coming to the end. Bond doesn’t represent the heyday of empire but it’s twilight - Britain refusing to go meekly into the night etc.
    vzok wrote: »
    It’s also the success of Black Panther that is making them think once more about a black 007

    I’m sure this is true and a good thing too. Just as Hollywood is waking up to the fact you can have strong female centred leads and stories about women, so it’s realising that black actors can be popular at the box office - shock horror!!
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    While seeing Prometheus in the cinema, I noticed that Elba had something Conneryesque about him. It s in his look, and his nonchalant flirting.

    Not wrong. Comparing anyone to Connery is always risky but Elba definitely has the animal grace that made Sean such a magnetic screen presence.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    He's still too old for Bond.

    And that at the end of the day is all that ultimately needs to be said. As with so many other past hopefuls, he’s now too old.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited August 2018 Posts: 13,908
    talos7 wrote: »
    Diversity does not mean changing the race , sexual preference and/or gender of countless established, some iconic characters that have been portrayed by white heterosexual males.
    Yes, that's dispersity. The opposite of recognizing (and celebrating) differences of race and culture.

  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    If they auditioned a black actor that really blew EON away and they could really see potential like with Craig then I'm open but to just cast a black actor to appease the desire for this to happen in certain circles would not only be a detriment to the series but insulting to the whole idea of this happening.

    If you can justify this for artistic reasons and in a way that he was the best person that they auditioned fine but otherwise I don't see the point and for the record I'm left leaning and not anywhere near the right.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    Shardlake wrote: »
    If they auditioned a black actor that really blew EON away and they could really see potential like with Craig then I'm open but to just cast a black actor to appease the desire for this to happen in certain circles would not only be a detriment to the series but insulting to the whole idea of this happening.

    If you can justify this for artistic reasons and in a way that he was the best person that they auditioned fine but otherwise I don't see the point and for the record I'm left leaning and not anywhere near the right.

    I think most people on here agree with you.

    Tokenism and casting a black actor for the sake of it in this context would be self defeating.

    I think what I and most people on here are saying is that if there’s a black actor who’s the best for the role then the time would now be right to cast them.

    We had a female M, black Felix, black Moneypenny, blond Bond. We’ve even had Rory Kinnear as Tanner.

    We can deal with a black Bond.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,358
    Getafix wrote: »
    We had a female M, black Felix, black Moneypenny, blond Bond. We’ve even had Rory Kinnear as Tanner.

    We can deal with a black Bond.

    Nobody goes into a Bond movie wanting to watch it just to see Felix, Moneypenny or Tanner even. So changing them is fine since they are minor characters. Bond is the main course and shouldn't be changed for the sake of it.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited August 2018 Posts: 11,425
    I think everyone’s agreed on that. Not for the sake of it but if the actor is right then yes.

    I do actually think Elba would have made a good Bond but the timing means it’s not to be.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I’ll agree that Elba would make a great 00 agent .
  • M_BlaiseM_Blaise
    Posts: 351
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    HarmonyRockets wrote: »
    For making movies more inclusive today, I totally agree with what someone else said here, that instead of making Bond black or a woman they should create an original black spy movie/franchise or female spy franchise (such as Modesty Blaise). To me Black Panther is a great example. That was so much better as far as social importance, entertainment value, as a story, or whatever than if instead of that they had just made Superman black or something.
    Agreed.

    It's coming too, and sooner than you think. Forget OO7. Soon we'll have 355 (no idea where they come up with that number), a female fronted spy franchise (coincidentally distributed by Universal) which will be headlined by Jessica Chastain. It will also star Fan Bingbing, Marion Cotillard, Penelope Cruz and Lupita Nyong'o as spies from different countries who all team up.

    Chastain, Cotillard and Cruz in a spy film? I'll watch that!

    In theory it sounds great, in reality it got a huge amount of hype when it didn't have a script or even a writer.
  • Benjamin_Weekly69Benjamin_Weekly69 London
    edited August 2018 Posts: 727
    Slavoj Zizek as Bond.

    I am, uh, Bond. [Sniff]

    James Bond, in all his Hegelian glory. [Sniff, sniff]
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,908
    Getafix wrote: »
    I think most people on here agree with you.

    Tokenism and casting a black actor for the sake of it in this context would be self defeating.

    I think what I and most people on here are saying is that if there’s a black actor who’s the best for the role then the time would now be right to cast them.

    We had a female M, black Felix, black Moneypenny, blond Bond. We’ve even had Rory Kinnear as Tanner.

    We can deal with a black Bond.
    The ROYALE "we"?
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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    No.
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