Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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    AceHole wrote: »
    Short or tall - more important when it comes to 'appeal' is that the fella needs to be striking, if you see what I mean. This is why Hiddleston also fits the bill even though he's not 'soap opera' good looking.
    Handsome, but in an unconventional, interesting kind of way.

    He is striking, but in the wrong way - every time he smiles, he looks like the Joker. I don't really see it for Bond. Other than the obvious Loki role, he seems to be gravitating towards playing creeps and weirdos - Crimson peak, High rise, Skull Island - Is he a villain in this? Either way, its supposed to be a franchise (isn't everything?), so that's a possible cock-blocker for Bond, in that he's already a multi-franchise actor. I don't think EON wants anyone already established as a major leading man, they want their guy to be 100% identified as Bond wherever he goes. There would be too many people identifying him as Loki first and Bond second. So I don't think he'll happen.
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Because he was/is Tintin I doubt he will be Bond.

    Actors can be a lot of things, but some roles are just too far stretched.

    I think the worst suggestion was Cumberbitch. My name is Otter - Otterface.
    Sorry, I know I am being Craigisnotbond mean here, just can't help it. He is just too creepy. But I am aware of the fact, that he has a big female following, which just shows, there is one for everybody.

    I never understood why people mentioned Cumberbatch as Bond material. Or Blofeld material even less! He was unconvincing at best as Khan ("I am Khhaaaan"). Fine actor in many roles, great as Smaug and Sauron. But a good voice actor does not make him fit for all roles.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Benicio Del Toro , a Bond alum, was the first choice for Khan and would have better suited the role.
  • SarkSark Guangdong, PRC
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    I would bet my entire net worth that someone noticeably shorter than the average man will not sniff the role of 007.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    dinovelvet wrote: »
    AceHole wrote: »
    Short or tall - more important when it comes to 'appeal' is that the fella needs to be striking, if you see what I mean. This is why Hiddleston also fits the bill even though he's not 'soap opera' good looking.
    Handsome, but in an unconventional, interesting kind of way.

    He is striking, but in the wrong way - every time he smiles, he looks like the Joker. I don't really see it for Bond. Other than the obvious Loki role, he seems to be gravitating towards playing creeps and weirdos - Crimson peak, High rise, Skull Island - Is he a villain in this? Either way, its supposed to be a franchise (isn't everything?), so that's a possible cock-blocker for Bond, in that he's already a multi-franchise actor. I don't think EON wants anyone already established as a major leading man, they want their guy to be 100% identified as Bond wherever he goes. There would be too many people identifying him as Loki first and Bond second. So I don't think he'll happen.

    But that is the essence of 007. He is, for all intents and purposes, sort of a villain in sheep's clothing. Bond is a cold and reserved bastard, really, who just happens to be working for the side that we westerners consider the 'good guys'.

    Personally I want an edgy actor to portray him, which is why I gravitate towards the likes of Dalton, Craig and potentially someone like (a mature, in a few years time) Hiddlestone who oozes a kind of psychotic intelligence.

    And as for his Marcel stints, I don't really think there is THAT much crossover audience vis-a-vis the avengers and any future Bond viewers. I for one did not enjoy the whole Marvel-naissance thing and won't be watching any more of them.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    AceHole wrote: »
    But that is the essence of 007. He is, for all intents and purposes, sort of a villain in sheep's clothing. Bond is a cold and reserved bastard, really, who just happens to be working for the side that we westerners consider the 'good guys'.

    Personally I want an edgy actor to portray him, which is why I gravitate towards the likes of Dalton, Craig and potentially someone like (a mature, in a few years time) Hiddlestone who oozes a kind of psychotic intelligence.

    And as for his Marcel stints, I don't really think there is THAT much crossover audience vis-a-vis the avengers and any future Bond viewers. I for one did not enjoy the whole Marvel-naissance thing and won't be watching any more of them.

    I am 100% in agreement with @AceHole's comments on this one. Marvel is not an issue (Hiddleston, like Craig, is a bit of a chameleon who can change his look - a sign of a great actor). I am done with pretty boys who struggle to capture the character of Bond - Craig has put the nail on that coffin - which is why I cringe at the suggestions of Cavill etc.
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    I'm not sure Bond has to necessarily look menacing to be honest. That's something I quite liked about Brosnan's portrayal, he was sort of a wolf in sheeps clothing. He looked like a GQ model and acted like Roger Moore but, when shit went down, you could see that the whole charismatic playboy thing was an act hiding a cold, ruthless assassin. The best example I can think of this is in the TWINE bankers office scene. He's all smiles, making bad puns, then suddenly he effortlessly takes out the guards and is threatening the banker, he still has the charm slightly turned on at first ("lets count to three, you can do that, can't you?") but then when he counts to two you see his true colours, his ruthlessness as his smile disappears and he jams the gun up against his neck.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    @thelivingroyale, and not to mention that stare Brosnan gives off. ;)
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  • SarkSark Guangdong, PRC
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    Personally, @thelivingroyale I would have gone with the scene where he shoots Electra. That was cold. And it runs through my head every time a girl asks if I miss her (which is irritatingly often). Unfortunately it doesn't really work if you're not holding a gun.
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    I think the worst suggestion was Cumberbitch. My name is Otter - Otterface.
    Sorry, I know I am being Craigisnotbond mean here, just can't help it. He is just too creepy. But I am aware of the fact, that he has a big female following, which just shows, there is one for everybody.

    Anyone that takes their pet to work can't be all creepy!

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    ;)
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    I think the worst suggestion was Cumberbitch. My name is Otter - Otterface.
    Sorry, I know I am being Craigisnotbond mean here, just can't help it. He is just too creepy. But I am aware of the fact, that he has a big female following, which just shows, there is one for everybody.

    Anyone that takes their pet to work can't be all creepy!

    enhanced-2133-1394101255-22.jpg

    ;)

    What do we know? He might have it for dinner later in the day. :>
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    Wonderful bit of photoshop work. You can see his reflection on the glass but not the cat which overlaps the reflection.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Cumberbatch is an excellent actor (particularly as Sherlock, although he was not Khan imho) but he is no Bond. In fact, I think his star may be waning.
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    He is going to be that Dr. Strange, who ever that is.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    He is going to be that Dr. Strange, who ever that is.

    I didn't know that. I can see it. That's the sort of part he is suitable for. Not Bond imho.

  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    You know what Cumberbatch is a great actor, but would a make a better Dr No in a remake that a Bond in an original.
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    For a Bond villain Cumberbatch is too young/young looking now. I always found him too British as well. One of the reasons why I was never convinced by his Khan. Since the beginning of the Craig era, they have cast non Anglo-Saxons as villains, which is a welcome change from the many, many, many British actors playing villains in darn every movie for the last hundred years or so.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Hence the Jaguar commercials :)
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    For a Bond villain Cumberbatch is too young/young looking now. I always found him too British as well. One of the reasons why I was never convinced by his Khan. Since the beginning of the Craig era, they have cast non Anglo-Saxons as villains, which is a welcome change from the many, many, many British actors playing villains in darn every movie for the last hundred years or so.

    Or every villain in the Pierce Brosnan films.

    Sean Bean - Alec Trevelyan
    Jonathan Pryce - Elliot Carver
    Robert Carlyle - Renard
    Toby Stephens - Gustav Graves

    Still not seeing any potential Bonds in any of those listed recently. I always find getting a list of the could've been Bonds, coupled with the actual Bonds is a good way to try and get an idea at who might make a good OO7.
    According to IMDB...
    Before Daniel Craig was officially announced to play James Bond there were several other actors considered for the part. Producer Michael G. Wilson said that they looked over 200 actors searching for the right one. Some of them were Julian McMahon, Hrithik Roshan, Dominic West and Gerard Butler. Most of them were deemed not appropriate to fit the role, while some others were nothing but media speculation. Goran Visnjic, Sam Worthington, Alex O'Loughlin and Rupert Friend were also considered, while Henry Cavill almost got the part but was considered too young to play it. Hugh Jackman reportedly turned the role down.

    Not sure how accurate they are with the casting on GE..
    Before Pierce Brosnan was cast as James Bond, Liam Neeson, Mel Gibson, Sam Neill, Hugh Grant and Lambert Wilson were all rumoured to be in the running for the role.
    Ralph Fiennes auditioned for James Bond.
    Paul McGann was the original choice for the role of Bond after Liam Neeson turned down the role. He would have been cast in the role had Pierce Brosnan turned down the role.

    With GE, I believe Pierce was the first choice to play Bond. But it's interesting (if true) that had he turned it down then little known Paul McGann could've played Bond.
    With Craig, I think Cavill was Martin Campbells choice for the role, but not the producers. Very glad Sam Worthington didn't get it. A block of wood would do better.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    If those reports are correct, there were 3 Australians in contention when Craig got it, which is unusual I suppose:
    -Alex O'Loughlin, Hugh Jackman, & Sam Worthington

    I'm surprised Goran Visnjic was considered
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Everyone is considered. When Donner was looking for Superman, he said (maybe jokingly) that he was looking at hundreds of candidates, including his wife s dentist and Elton John.
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    Benny wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    For a Bond villain Cumberbatch is too young/young looking now. I always found him too British as well. One of the reasons why I was never convinced by his Khan. Since the beginning of the Craig era, they have cast non Anglo-Saxons as villains, which is a welcome change from the many, many, many British actors playing villains in darn every movie for the last hundred years or so.

    Or every villain in the Pierce Brosnan films.

    Sean Bean - Alec Trevelyan
    Jonathan Pryce - Elliot Carver
    Robert Carlyle - Renard
    Toby Stephens - Gustav Graves

    Still not seeing any potential Bonds in any of those listed recently. I always find getting a list of the could've been Bonds, coupled with the actual Bonds is a good way to try and get an idea at who might make a good OO7.
    According to IMDB...
    Before Daniel Craig was officially announced to play James Bond there were several other actors considered for the part. Producer Michael G. Wilson said that they looked over 200 actors searching for the right one. Some of them were Julian McMahon, Hrithik Roshan, Dominic West and Gerard Butler. Most of them were deemed not appropriate to fit the role, while some others were nothing but media speculation. Goran Visnjic, Sam Worthington, Alex O'Loughlin and Rupert Friend were also considered, while Henry Cavill almost got the part but was considered too young to play it. Hugh Jackman reportedly turned the role down.

    Not sure how accurate they are with the casting on GE..
    Before Pierce Brosnan was cast as James Bond, Liam Neeson, Mel Gibson, Sam Neill, Hugh Grant and Lambert Wilson were all rumoured to be in the running for the role.
    Ralph Fiennes auditioned for James Bond.
    Paul McGann was the original choice for the role of Bond after Liam Neeson turned down the role. He would have been cast in the role had Pierce Brosnan turned down the role.

    With GE, I believe Pierce was the first choice to play Bond. But it's interesting (if true) that had he turned it down then little known Paul McGann could've played Bond.
    With Craig, I think Cavill was Martin Campbells choice for the role, but not the producers. Very glad Sam Worthington didn't get it. A block of wood would do better.

    Yes, while I like these actors (except Toby Stephens) I think it was one of the flaws of the Brosnan era. I guess it kept the Britishness of Bond.

    Anyway, I don't think the future Bond is on the radar yet.
  • edited June 2015 Posts: 12,837
    Benny wrote: »
    Sean Bean - Alec Trevelyan
    Jonathan Pryce - Elliot Carver
    Robert Carlyle - Renard
    Toby Stephens - Gustav Graves

    To be fair, while they're all played by British actors*, only one of those characters was actually British. Renard was a Russian, Alec (despite his accent) was a Russian, and Graves was (one of the stupidest things about the film) actually a Korean who'd undergone "gene therapy". I guess Graves and Trevelayn had English accents but Renard doesn't really count, he might have been played by a British actor but he wasn't a British villain in the slightest.

    I don't mind British villains so much, what annoys me is they're all the same. Scheming masterminds with posh RP accents (because that's what the yanks think everyone in England sounds like). Would've loved it if Sean Bean had just used his normal Yorkshire accent for Goldeneye. The RP accent he did sounded a bit forced at times and a different accent would have helped differentiate him from all the other British villains in big action films.

    *which I don't see a problem with, in fact I liked the Brosnan era approach of (for the supporting and villain roles) casting great British actors that you're more likely to see in a Jimmy Mcgovern drama or something than a Hollywood film, like Robbie Coltrane, Robert Carlyle, etc; it was cool seeing these actors given work in Hollywood blockbusters, it was a weird contrast though since (at least with the last two movies) they went for the opposite approach for the (main, the ones he ends up in bed with in the end) Bond girls and cast flavor of the month Hollywood actresses (I liked Denise Richards though).
    Sark wrote: »
    Personally, @thelivingroyale I would have gone with the scene where he shoots Electra. That was cold. And it runs through my head every time a girl asks if I miss her (which is irritatingly often). Unfortunately it doesn't really work if you're not holding a gun.

    That was probably his coldest moment but I chose the bankers office scene because I think that's the one that demonstrates the contrast, in a second he goes from Moore esque to Dalton esque, really shows the wolf in sheeps clothing side of Brosnan's Bond. Suave playboy on the outside, ruthless (but somewhat vulnerable) assassin on the inside.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    One of the issues with the casting of British actors for villains and supporting roles during PB's run for me was that they seemed more British than the protagonist (certainly Bean,Pryce and Stephens).

    I don't think that was the intention, but that was the impression that was conveyed to me, and I didn't quite like it.
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    I get what you mean. Brosnan has a weird accent (sort of an Irish English mix with hints of American) because of the different places he's lived in, so he doesn't always sound very British, and one thing that did irk me about his era was how the scripts had Bond use Americanisms (cell phone, station break, etc), which again took away from the 'Britishness' of Bond.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Exactly @thelivingroyale. I'm not sure if they actually intended that or not (station break really stood out for me) to pull in the American audiences, but I didn't appreciate it.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Sark wrote: »
    I would bet my entire net worth that someone noticeably shorter than the average man will not sniff the role of 007.

    Exactly, ditto.

  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    With a 'put on' posh accent Sean Bean would have been an interesting choice for 007. He has the acting ability.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited June 2015 Posts: 5,131
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Because he was/is Tintin I doubt he will be Bond.

    Combined with the fact that he is a midget.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    With a 'put on' posh accent Sean Bean would have been an interesting choice for 007. He has the acting ability.

    Love Sean Bean - he was incredible in GE. He has an interesting look too. Could have played a Craig'ish troubled, brooding Bond imho..
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