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Didn’t Brosnan say that as well though? Fairly sure he was interested...
:D
He meant himself. Smart (wo)man. Proof:
He can play bond as a woman.
Maybe brosnan was high :D and he is done with the role so he can say whatever he wants to.
He was about that age, yes. But here's the thing, I was (and am...) not in favour of throwing out the 40+ year legacy to show Bond at the start of his career. But if it had to be done, it should be done with a Bond of younger age. The only reboot I would be in favour of, is something like Curse Of Chucky. Keeps the momentum going foward, but reboots the tone only.
You bring up a solid point about Bonds career in the forces. That would be hard to work in, with a younger Bond. But at the same time, I can't buy Bond in CR as having SAS/SBS trainng, he just comes off as too.... immature (for want of a better word). Another re-write, could have solved that. Based of Craigs appearance, I can believe Bond has been part of one of our elite fighting units. It's just the way Bond comes off in the film that sits awkward.
He made sure to say that after he had played the role.
I don’t agree with the 40 something Bond. 49, 52 are too old. This happened as Cubby got old and kept Old Roger in the part. Bond should be in his prime and 40s ain’t prime. No one gives a s@*$ (excuse me) about people in their 40s for a reason. It’s past prime.
Men want to be Bond and women want to be with him... that should be someone young, vibrant, with sex appeal... not lost a step, on viagra and looking distinguished. I agree some guys and people generally look younger, mostly from not smoking, but the aim should be to get a few movies in before the actor gets into their 40s and only a couple in early 40s. I mean look at how they’ve played Craig as lost a step and out of touch with the times...that’s lame. Bond should be one step ahead of everyone (like in CR)... and middle aged doesn’t fit that.
Viagra, really 😆
Pattinson seems to have successfully shed his pretty boy image though. He's more of an indie darling than anything else now. Not a big Batman fan but I think he'll be good. I doubt it's just women defending him. I'd heard how good he was in stuff long before he was Batman so it makes sense that people are giving him the benefit of the doubt. He isn't just the guy from Twilight anymore.
And you said he reminds you of Wishaw's Q, not that he looked like him (in a role where he's made up to look sort of geeky). I could find stills where he looks nothing like that. Swings and roundabouts. He's certainly nothing like him as an actor, and whether he's Bond material or not, I don't get how you could actually watch him in Peaky Blinders and think he doesn't have an alpha male quality or charisma (he pretty much carries that whole show). But there you go, subjective I suppose. Still think he'd be good personally, but probably is too old now anyway.
He looks so much better without that crap goatee. Proper Bond material there, have always said he'd be good when he was older and he's really starting to look the part now as well as having the acting chops.
Short or not he's by far the most likely choice so far imo. This is just a personal hunch mind and EON will probably surprise us like they did with Craig, but I dunno. I think he's the sort of actor Barbara will want. If the bookies have odds on him when the race heats up I might stick some money on it.
@MajorDSmythe To be honest I wasn't keen on the reboot/origin story idea either. The two kills bit in the novel was a flashback to who knows how many missions earlier and I think Bond letting his guard down for Vesper could have easily been portrayed as him "going soft" (the bit where he stares in the mirror after killing Obanno really reminded me of the bit in GF at the airport after he's killed the Mexican) and thinking he'd found another chance at happiness after Tracey. But I do think that angle worked fine with Craig, I don't think he was too old for it for the reasons I mentioned.
The lost a step thing, I get why that's grating, but out of touch is pretty much the only way you can do modern Bond anymore imo. The character is a dinasour at this point in so many ways and it'd be silly for the films not to acknowledge that. What matters is he keeps winning and proving he's still relevant in the end.
I actually think they could go further with it. Make him a proper old school, "did he really just say that" Gene Hunt type anti-hero, play up his more undesirable traits like his sexism for comedy's sake, let him start smoking again, etc.
Yeah I know Tom Cruise is great and they handle those movies better by not making his age an issue at all. But he’s pretty exceptional and no matter how good he looks he looked better younger. Harrison Ford also aged awesome in his day, but as great as he looked in Last Crusade and as Jack Ryan, he looked better in Star Wars and Raiders. It’s about prime and stage of life, relationships to people and world, not just looking great for your age. Box office is another issue that I wasn’t referring to at all. Viagra, Lipitor, Prilosec, Orthopedic Insoles...😉
An amazing display of condescending , ignorant ageism. Actors in their 40s and 50s are among the highest grossing, most successful performers in film today.
Danny Boyle has said he thinks Pattinson should be the next Bond. And Nolan has cast him in Tenet.
So of all the names mentioned I actually think he might be the most likely.
Don't see EON going for Turner or Cavill.
Personal preference of course, but I find seeing actors in their 40's-60's kicking ass on screen to be highly enjoyable. I'd love to see Pierce Brosnan as an older spy in a film, for example – be it popcorn action or more of a Le Carré type film.
I like it if a Bond actor is in his late 30's/40-42 when he stars in his first film. He's got to look like he's been doing the job for some time, IMO.
Well said.
Nolan casting him in Tenet makes him less likely if anything imo. I just can't picture the next guy having done blockbusters, think it'll be someone a bit more alternative, although to be fair Craig did do that dire Tomb Raider film pre Bond.
Plus he's literally just signed on for Batman and you know what those films are like. He'll probably be doing it for the next 5-10 years. And even if he only did the one I think that'd make him famous enough again to rule him out for Bond.
If he wasn't playing Batman I think he'd be a realistic choice. But now I think he's firmly in the could have been category. Twilight, Tenet, Batman. Too Hollywood I reckon. Think we should be looking for guys a bit more under the radar.
Still more likely than Cavill, because he can actually act. But I think of the three you mentioned Turner is the most likely. I'd still put my money on someone like O Connell over him though. He hasn't been in that much lately but he's got a few things coming up, including playing Shaun Ryder in a biopic directed by the guy who made the Ian Curtis one.
I think his star's going to be rising again at just the right time. If I were him I'd try to find a Layer Cake. A guy who plays Bond in a Bond pastiche (like UNCLE) will probably never get the gig, but if O Connell found something that proves he can do suave and smooth as well as he does raw and dangerous then I reckon he'd be in with a very good chance.
What if they cast an actor already in his late 40's early 50's and explore a more mature Bond at the end of his career.
Unlikely, but who knows.
That unlikely scenario would allow for the continuation of the Craig timeline; get Hugh Jackman on the line. 😏
All right let's break it down slowly.
"Pattinson seems to have successfully shed his pretty boy image though"
Give one film where he has successfully did that. He is average at best in every single role he played not just twilight.
"Not a big Batman fan but I think he'll be good"
You aren't a Batman fan but i am that's why I know he isn't fit to play. He is a bit pale for my taste and since he started bulking, he looks like tall dwarf to me. His face is trying desperately to fit in a grown man's body. To be very honest most won't admit but they are just trying to please women with this just like making 007 a woman, It's not a coincidence that all of this happening in 2020. What's next Kristen Stewart for Catwoman?
"I doubt it's just women defending him"
I said mostly women defending him not just women. Has any women gave you any reason why he should be bond or batman besides how sexy he looks? They won't admit because they are still living in their twilight bubble and their biased views. Not many hated twilight in the beginning, the hatred start afterwards when it became popular.
"you said he reminds you of Wishaw's Q, not that he looked like him (in a role where he's made up to look sort of geeky). I could find stills where he looks nothing like that"
You are welcome to post those stills and compare him with Connery if you would like, still not convinced that what exactly about him that you think he should have been bond. Bond isn't just about smoking or drinking but I said he kind of reminds me of Q and I even posted two photos for better comparison, yes i agree that he has played different characters as well doesn't mean he has what it takes to be bond. The reason you mentioned the first time is because you think women finds him hot without giving any benefit of doubt why or what possible reason but how many women actually watch James bond films or know much about the character may I ask,not many sadly.
"He's certainly nothing like him as an actor, and whether he's Bond material or not"
Whishaw won golden globe last year in case you care about what critics or award says and not for playing a feminine character.
"I don't get how you could actually watch him in Peaky Blinders and think he doesn't have an alpha male quality or charisma (he pretty much carries that whole show)"
Smoking and drinking doesn't make you an alpha, for me it's the act and how someone walks and carries himself, his voice should be something that command respect. An alpha doesn't need to pretend or shout out that he is one. As I said he is a phenomenal actor just not for bond and about carrying the show peaky blinders, i and many others i know started watching that show because of tom Hardy not Murphy but as started watching the show I liked him more than Hardy and watched him and pattison in a lot of films not just the one's they are known for. I don't dismiss someone solely based on one film or the series.
Hardy is a great actor. But you can’t have a 5ft 8in actor as Bond. He’s too short. 5ft 10in is the absolute minimum as per Daniel Craig, as it’s UK average. 5ft 8in is noticeably short for a man.....Fleming had him as 6ft and Cubby always wanted tall actors.
Fassbender would have been the dream choice, but alas, age is not on his side.
You're in the minority on Pattinson mate. There's a very real chance of him having an Oscar soon and he's won some very good reviews. If you're not a fan fair enough but I think you've got to accept he has something about him even if you don't see it. Why not just wait and see? People said Ledger would be a crap Joker and DC would be a crap Bond. The idea that they've cast him "just to please women" is ridiculous sorry. He's a highly respected actor whether you personally rate him or not.
I mentioned women finding him hot to justify what I thought was a more unconventional look, because at the end of the day, a women's or gay man's opinion on sex appeal matters more than mine. It isn't all they care about though and you don't make a billion dollars without appealing to women too. This site or big fans in general are definitely more male dominated but we don't matter. The masses are what matters. A lot of those masses are women. So I think your dismissal of womens opinions (on looks as well, which surely the part where they're most relevant for Bond, the man who "men want to be, women want to be with") because "women don't know/care about Bond" to be a little shortsighted. They're not making the films for a bunch of male Bond fans on sites like this. They're making the films for a big diverse movie going public. At the end of the day lots of women find Cillian Murphy attractive and when it comes to Bond's sex appeal, female opinion matters more than ours, just as male opinion matters more for the sex appeal of the Bond girls.
We could go round in circles about this all day because you clearly don't see what I see but he doesn't just shout in Peaky Blinders. His most commanding scenes are when he's way more restrained and subdued. I mentioned smoking and drinking to make a point that he hasn't just played effeminate characters. But those are minor gimmicks, you're right that what matters is how he carries and projects himself, and he does that very well. Effortless Connery levels of cool. You're not going to convince me otherwise because I know what I saw in him so as I said before, it's subjective, we're going to have to agree to disagree. He's nothing like Wishaw as an actor. He's shown he's much more versatile in how he's capable of much more masculine roles. Didn't Wishaw win a Golden Globe for A Very English Scandal? Where he played a poncey gay character? They're both good actors but they're not similar at all once you actually see them in action and posting a picture of him with glasses from Batman next to one of Wishaw as Q and saying "see! The same!" won't change that.
And Hardy is great in Peaky Blinders but he's barely in it. It's Murphy that's in every episode and keeps the whole thing going despite it being very style over substance. That's what I meant by carries the show and that ability to carry a show/film is something a Bond actor needs to have imo.
Jack O'Connell is making a great name in indie cinema (much like Pattinson did post-Twilight). Plus, he's maturing excellently.
I like him. He's got talent. Wasn't the first name to pop into my head, but if he was announced tomorrow morning I'd be used to it by tomorrow evening.
The only thing I'd wonder about is the accent. Unbroken is the only thing I've seen where his accent wasn't his trademark thick Midlands accent, from Skins to Tower Block to '71 to Starred Up.
Depends really. If they are continuing the Craig timeline, sure. But I don't think they'll do that, as Craig himself has quite effectively fought for his Bond to be its own thing, and to tailor his ideas around the character.
And I doubt it would work in a new time line. Because in terms of characterisation, we've seen the struggle of Bond getting older and not fitting in this modern world already. Once in SF, a bit of it in SP (though that was more '00 section against drones' instead of Bond), and we'll have it again in NTTD.
SF concluded by saying that 'Sometimes the old ways are the best and Bond still has a place'. SP's message was 'Sometimes new technology isn't good and old spying work is effective'. We don't know yet what NTTD's message will be. But for an older Bond to work in a new timeline, the message should be different, I feel. That would mean the films would make a point of Bond *not* getting the girl, of Bond *not* succeeding, of Bond struggling to keep up with the younger folks and let him really feel useless.
Interesting character study and a deconstruction of the character, but do people want to see this in a Bond film?
"You're in the minority on Pattinson mate"
Fair enough but if you looked through previous pages you will see i am not alone buddy. All the award in the world won't convince me but you still haven't said what scene exactly you came across that made you think - this guy would be a great bond. Do you believe the credibility of an actor only lies on how many awards he/she wins. Him winning an Oscar has nothing to do with your basic argument for playing bond, eon choose artists for the last two bond film's who have won Oscar or had potential to do so(waltz/Smith etc.), how would you say that turned out for us minor fans?
"I think you've got to accept he has something about him even if you don't see it"
If i haven't seen any potential in him how can I accept that.
"People said that DC would be a crap bond"
Well I don't know about crap but I like his two films(CR & SF), still he is not my favorite bond. A lot of people still aren't happy with his films here as well. I can tell you one thing though next bond actor won't be anything like DC because another unique face or origin bond is less likely to work in the coming decade as it would be repeating the same thing all over again but it won't be on a lighter tone like Roger or pierce films either. I have got a good feeling that it would be something akin to Timonthy's TLD. That's why someone like Turner has a better chance than others.
"This site or big fans in general are definitely more male dominated but we don't matter. The masses are what matters. A lot of those masses are women".
When you say we(men)don't matter is clear indication of what I was trying to convey in my first comment to you. The masses are surely women no doubt about that but those masses also want to see female bond(Jane bond) one day, if that day ever comes (god forbid) i would gladly be in the minority to dismiss that.
"So I think your dismissal of womens opinions"
I didn't dismiss all of them, only the one's who judge an actor solely based on the looks and i can tell you they are not in the minority. Only a few of them gave proper reasons why Pattison is so great.
"the part where they're most relevant for Bond, the man who - men want to be, women want to be with"
I can perfectly understand women want to be with but how many men want to be like Pattison or Murphy as of now i am only hearing you say this.
"When it comes to Bond's sex appeal, female opinion matters more than ours, just as male opinion matters more for the sex appeal of the Bond girls"
If male opinions matters then how come we don't have traditional bond girls anymore, what we see today are mostly pretentious one's pretending to be strong. It's funny that men's opinion doesn't matter on bond girls anymore. We don't have a single actress in NTTD who isn't holding a gun(Lea doesn't count ). I don't see feminine bond girls like Solitaire,Domino,kara etc.. mostly arrogant and abnoxious one's. Do you see many men find Lynch's character sexy (nothing against her of course but I don't see the appeal).
"You're not going to convince me otherwise because I know what I saw in him so as I said before, it's subjective, we're going to have to agree to disagree"
Yes let's just agree to disagree here as we haven't discuss a single Scene where i could see the appeal. I like Murphy to be very honest but far from Connery. There isn't a single actor in our time that i could think would be close to the effortless acting,sophistication and looks to match Connery and this is coming from a guy who grew up watching Craig's bond not Connery.