Who should/could be a Bond actor?

Thunderfinger

Why not make Bond American, and get James Franco?

Benny

Thunderfinger wrote: »

Why not make Bond American, and get James Franco?

If they're going to make Bond American, then surely there's only one choice...

Jack Black!
Even has the same initials as our beloved character.

;)

FoxRox

I know you guys are joking, but it’s still making me sick to my stomach :-&

I still like Jack Black. Just not like that...

Resurrection

Thunderfinger wrote: »

Why not make Bond American, and get James Franco?

Why not make Jane bond. I want Rebecca Ferguson to play it :P . Bond will make 3 Billion by breaking endgame record :))

Pierce2Daniel

Tabloids are running amok that James Norton has been cast as 007 following screentest. Now he's out telling people he has the job. Could it be true?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10720136/james-norton-tipped-next-james-bond/

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1216259590100258817

He seems kind of bland and unimaginative. I've not seen him in anything, but he seems a little boring and obvious. I can't really anticipate what kinda Bond he'd be....maybe another Pierce Brosnan sort. Looking at him, I think I'd prefer Henry Cavill (and that's saying something).

He looks and sounds like a toff. More Made in Chelsea than 007.

MajorDSmythe

Isn't it against usual policy for the actor to go shouting about it, before the official announcement? Hhhmm... take this with a mine of salt.

Benny

MajorDSmythe wrote: »

Isn't it against usual policy for the actor to go shouting about it, before the official announcement? Hhhmm... take this with a mine of salt.

Couldn't agree more. There's no way they're going to announce a new James Bond, only a few months before the release of Craig's final film.
Unless they're mad. No it's obviously tabloid crap.

Ludovico

On pictures alone, I can't see it. But then again at least such rumours, whether they are founded or not, should put an end to the ones saying the next Bond will be Lashana.

Shardlake

It sounds unlikely but Norton has done a variety of roles, his Tommy Lee Royce in both series of Happy Valley is a far cry from his other roles.

His trajectory isn't that dissimilar to Craig, he certainly can act convincingly and is far cry from a plank of wood like Cavill.

Though this just sounds like a bunch of BS so take it with a warehouse amount of salt.

Torgeirtrap

I don't believe at all whatever The Sun puts out, so this is probably just BS.

As far as Norton goes though, I like him as an actor, and can see him as Bond given the right script etc. – but his voice is too soft for my liking.

Univex

Oh, the Sun says it. Then it's simply not true.

I don't like Norton particularly. I've seen that Grantchester show and it was like having an opium derived injection with every single episode. Besides, if I were a villain I'd ask him constantly: Why the long face? As he has that particularly strange jaw line :-D

And...if we think Barbara has already settled in an actor whilst Craig is Bond, we're insane.

Thunderfinger

What do you need the salt for?

Resurrection

Thunderfinger wrote: »

What do you need the salt for?

:)) I was thinking the same which salt are we talking about ?
mine salt /Grain salt /Warehouse salt

Getafix

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thelivingroyale wrote: »

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thelivingroyale wrote: »

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JeremyBondon wrote: »

Resurrection wrote: »

thelivingroyale wrote: »

A bigger name that to me seems a bit more viable is Cillian Murphy. Don't really think he has the look but my wife really fancies him and you only have to go on twitter when Peaky Blinders is on to know that other women feel the same, so he must have something about him on that end. And he's a really good actor. Connery levels of cool in Peaky Blinders.

Probably too old and maybe too famous but I think if you look at the sort of stuff he's done he's a more realistic choice than someone like Cavill. It'll probably be someone none of us had thought of anyway but I think if we do want to try and actually predict the next Bond we're better off looking at the casts of indie dramas, highly regarded TV stuff, theatre stuff, than the cast of Mission Impossible.

O Connell, Norton, Turner, even Jamie Bell. They've all been slated by different members but those are the sort of names that genuinely have a shot imo. Wishing for Cavill is as pointless as wishing for Connery to wake up tomorrow suddenly looking like he did in DN and come out of retirement. Not gonna happen.

No offense but majority of women on twitter like pattison as well and not because of his acting skills but solely based on looks. They still think that he is perfect for Batman and i laugh whenever i hear that. Murphy is phenomenal actor just not a good choice for bond. He kind of reminds of Wishaw's Q as well sometimes.

This and this. He looks quite effeminate to me as well. Cillian with a wig, yesh pleashe.
Edit: he sure is a pretty lass *lol* What has been seen... Say what you will about Cavill, he'd sure make for an unattractive lady :D

For me Murphy lacks the alpha male attributes. The way he walked, his voice says it all and don't get me started on his face. If Women find him sexy, good for them but that doesn't mean he is fit to be bond. I saw him in peaky blinders which I liked very much but never ever thought that this guy can be bond, still don't.

Murphy, pattison, Cavill or any other simply lacks the charisma. I liked other roles they played but not strong enough to impress me, surely critics may like them but never cared about critics . To be honest i am not really thrilled about pattison playing batman, he is nowhere near craig or bale acting skills. What Craig lacked in looks he makeup from his acting but pattison have neither for bond, for me he is just another Hollywood pretty boy who can get women excited. I can tell you mostly women are the one's defending him for his take on batman. Yes he will be better than the last batman but Affleck didn't really set the bar very high.

Murphy does looks like Q and here's the two photos for better comparison.

Pattinson seems to have successfully shed his pretty boy image though. He's more of an indie darling than anything else now. Not a big Batman fan but I think he'll be good. I doubt it's just women defending him. I'd heard how good he was in stuff long before he was Batman so it makes sense that people are giving him the benefit of the doubt. He isn't just the guy from Twilight anymore.

And you said he reminds you of Wishaw's Q, not that he looked like him (in a role where he's made up to look sort of geeky). I could find stills where he looks nothing like that. Swings and roundabouts. He's certainly nothing like him as an actor, and whether he's Bond material or not, I don't get how you could actually watch him in Peaky Blinders and think he doesn't have an alpha male quality or charisma (he pretty much carries that whole show). But there you go, subjective I suppose. Still think he'd be good personally, but probably is too old now anyway.

Pierce2Daniel wrote: »

I think Campbell has admitted that he was thinking along the ‘Pierce Brosnan’ lines when casting CR. Remember in 2005, casting someone like Daniel Craig was a very iconoclastic move. Now we are used to him, but then it was a big sea change.

Cavill is very wooden – it also doesn’t help that he’s been lumped with playing stoic heroes. He can’t really pull off the ‘mean and moody’ vibe as it just comes across as meagre and pouty. He’s a bit of an empty vessel and can’t do haunted and angst-ridden. It just draws attention to how bland he is……..

Though, I did see him in Man from UNCLE and recall him injecting some personality into that film…..though his performance in these clips is a little shaky. But boy, doesn’t he just look like James Bond…….





But I think Superman still rules him out. There are pretty much four/five hugely iconic roles in film history that get recast openly. Both Superman and James Bond are on that very short list. You can’t play two of them - especially in franchise films where you are the 'face of the campaign.' From a marketing perspective it's a nightmare and these are $200 million business enterprises.

Plus, Cavill is a tad boring and obvious for my liking…….I think you need someone edgy and interesting. I feel that person is still Jack O’Connell. He has something slightly provocative about him. He kinda reminds me of a cross between Sean Connery and Tom Hardy.

He looks so much better without that crap goatee. Proper Bond material there, have always said he'd be good when he was older and he's really starting to look the part now as well as having the acting chops.

Short or not he's by far the most likely choice so far imo. This is just a personal hunch mind and EON will probably surprise us like they did with Craig, but I dunno. I think he's the sort of actor Barbara will want. If the bookies have odds on him when the race heats up I might stick some money on it.

@MajorDSmythe To be honest I wasn't keen on the reboot/origin story idea either. The two kills bit in the novel was a flashback to who knows how many missions earlier and I think Bond letting his guard down for Vesper could have easily been portrayed as him "going soft" (the bit where he stares in the mirror after killing Obanno really reminded me of the bit in GF at the airport after he's killed the Mexican) and thinking he'd found another chance at happiness after Tracey. But I do think that angle worked fine with Craig, I don't think he was too old for it for the reasons I mentioned.

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talos7 wrote: »

As has been pointed out, actors often look younger at a given age than actors of a comparable age did in the past. Between 35 and 40 seems like a good age to begin. If a film were to be released every 3 years, which is a very reasonable time table, a 40 year old actor could do 5 films in 12 years 40, 43, 46,49,52. Perfect.

I don’t agree with the 40 something Bond. 49, 52 are too old. This happened as Cubby got old and kept Old Roger in the part. Bond should be in his prime and 40s ain’t prime. No one gives a s@*$ (excuse me) about people in their 40s for a reason. It’s past prime.

Men want to be Bond and women want to be with him... that should be someone young, vibrant, with sex appeal... not lost a step, on viagra and looking distinguished. I agree some guys and people generally look younger, mostly from not smoking, but the aim should be to get a few movies in before the actor gets into their 40s and only a couple in early 40s. I mean look at how they’ve played Craig as lost a step and out of touch with the times...that’s lame. Bond should be one step ahead of everyone (like in CR)... and middle aged doesn’t fit that.

The lost a step thing, I get why that's grating, but out of touch is pretty much the only way you can do modern Bond anymore imo. The character is a dinasour at this point in so many ways and it'd be silly for the films not to acknowledge that. What matters is he keeps winning and proving he's still relevant in the end.

I actually think they could go further with it. Make him a proper old school, "did he really just say that" Gene Hunt type anti-hero, play up his more undesirable traits like his sexism for comedy's sake, let him start smoking again, etc.

All right let's break it down slowly.
"Pattinson seems to have successfully shed his pretty boy image though"
Give one film where he has successfully did that. He is average at best in every single role he played not just twilight.

"Not a big Batman fan but I think he'll be good"
You aren't a Batman fan but i am that's why I know he isn't fit to play. He is a bit pale for my taste and since he started bulking, he looks like tall dwarf to me. His face is trying desperately to fit in a grown man's body. To be very honest most won't admit but they are just trying to please women with this just like making 007 a woman, It's not a coincidence that all of this happening in 2020. What's next Kristen Stewart for Catwoman?

"I doubt it's just women defending him"
I said mostly women defending him not just women. Has any women gave you any reason why he should be bond or batman besides how sexy he looks? They won't admit because they are still living in their twilight bubble and their biased views. Not many hated twilight in the beginning, the hatred start afterwards when it became popular.

"you said he reminds you of Wishaw's Q, not that he looked like him (in a role where he's made up to look sort of geeky). I could find stills where he looks nothing like that"
You are welcome to post those stills and compare him with Connery if you would like, still not convinced that what exactly about him that you think he should have been bond. Bond isn't just about smoking or drinking but I said he kind of reminds me of Q and I even posted two photos for better comparison, yes i agree that he has played different characters as well doesn't mean he has what it takes to be bond. The reason you mentioned the first time is because you think women finds him hot without giving any benefit of doubt why or what possible reason but how many women actually watch James bond films or know much about the character may I ask,not many sadly.

"He's certainly nothing like him as an actor, and whether he's Bond material or not"
Whishaw won golden globe last year in case you care about what critics or award says and not for playing a feminine character.

"I don't get how you could actually watch him in Peaky Blinders and think he doesn't have an alpha male quality or charisma (he pretty much carries that whole show)"

Smoking and drinking doesn't make you an alpha, for me it's the act and how someone walks and carries himself, his voice should be something that command respect. An alpha doesn't need to pretend or shout out that he is one. As I said he is a phenomenal actor just not for bond and about carrying the show peaky blinders, i and many others i know started watching that show because of tom Hardy not Murphy but as started watching the show I liked him more than Hardy and watched him and pattison in a lot of films not just the one's they are known for. I don't dismiss someone solely based on one film or the series.

You're in the minority on Pattinson mate. There's a very real chance of him having an Oscar soon and he's won some very good reviews. If you're not a fan fair enough but I think you've got to accept he has something about him even if you don't see it. Why not just wait and see? People said Ledger would be a crap Joker and DC would be a crap Bond. The idea that they've cast him "just to please women" is ridiculous sorry. He's a highly respected actor whether you personally rate him or not.

I mentioned women finding him hot to justify what I thought was a more unconventional look, because at the end of the day, a women's or gay man's opinion on sex appeal matters more than mine. It isn't all they care about though and you don't make a billion dollars without appealing to women too. This site or big fans in general are definitely more male dominated but we don't matter. The masses are what matters. A lot of those masses are women. So I think your dismissal of womens opinions (on looks as well, which surely the part where they're most relevant for Bond, the man who "men want to be, women want to be with") because "women don't know/care about Bond" to be a little shortsighted. They're not making the films for a bunch of male Bond fans on sites like this. They're making the films for a big diverse movie going public. At the end of the day lots of women find Cillian Murphy attractive and when it comes to Bond's sex appeal, female opinion matters more than ours, just as male opinion matters more for the sex appeal of the Bond girls.

We could go round in circles about this all day because you clearly don't see what I see but he doesn't just shout in Peaky Blinders. His most commanding scenes are when he's way more restrained and subdued. I mentioned smoking and drinking to make a point that he hasn't just played effeminate characters. But those are minor gimmicks, you're right that what matters is how he carries and projects himself, and he does that very well. Effortless Connery levels of cool. You're not going to convince me otherwise because I know what I saw in him so as I said before, it's subjective, we're going to have to agree to disagree. He's nothing like Wishaw as an actor. He's shown he's much more versatile in how he's capable of much more masculine roles. Didn't Wishaw win a Golden Globe for A Very English Scandal? Where he played a poncey gay character? They're both good actors but they're not similar at all once you actually see them in action and posting a picture of him with glasses from Batman next to one of Wishaw as Q and saying "see! The same!" won't change that.

And Hardy is great in Peaky Blinders but he's barely in it. It's Murphy that's in every episode and keeps the whole thing going despite it being very style over substance. That's what I meant by carries the show and that ability to carry a show/film is something a Bond actor needs to have imo.

"You're in the minority on Pattinson mate"
Fair enough but if you looked through previous pages you will see i am not alone buddy. All the award in the world won't convince me but you still haven't said what scene exactly you came across that made you think - this guy would be a great bond. Do you believe the credibility of an actor only lies on how many awards he/she wins. Him winning an Oscar has nothing to do with your basic argument for playing bond, eon choose artists for the last two bond film's who have won Oscar or had potential to do so(waltz/Smith etc.), how would you say that turned out for us minor fans?

"I think you've got to accept he has something about him even if you don't see it"
If i haven't seen any potential in him how can I accept that.

"People said that DC would be a crap bond"
Well I don't know about crap but I like his two films(CR & SF), still he is not my favorite bond. A lot of people still aren't happy with his films here as well. I can tell you one thing though next bond actor won't be anything like DC because another unique face or origin bond is less likely to work in the coming decade as it would be repeating the same thing all over again but it won't be on a lighter tone like Roger or pierce films either. I have got a good feeling that it would be something akin to Timonthy's TLD. That's why someone like Turner has a better chance than others.

"This site or big fans in general are definitely more male dominated but we don't matter. The masses are what matters. A lot of those masses are women".
When you say we(men)don't matter is clear indication of what I was trying to convey in my first comment to you. The masses are surely women no doubt about that but those masses also want to see female bond(Jane bond) one day, if that day ever comes (god forbid) i would gladly be in the minority to dismiss that.

"So I think your dismissal of womens opinions"
I didn't dismiss all of them, only the one's who judge an actor solely based on the looks and i can tell you they are not in the minority. Only a few of them gave proper reasons why Pattison is so great.

"the part where they're most relevant for Bond, the man who - men want to be, women want to be with"
I can perfectly understand women want to be with but how many men want to be like Pattison or Murphy as of now i am only hearing you say this.

"When it comes to Bond's sex appeal, female opinion matters more than ours, just as male opinion matters more for the sex appeal of the Bond girls"
If male opinions matters then how come we don't have traditional bond girls anymore, what we see today are mostly pretentious one's pretending to be strong. It's funny that men's opinion doesn't matter on bond girls anymore. We don't have a single actress in NTTD who isn't holding a gun(Lea doesn't count ). I don't see feminine bond girls like Solitaire,Domino,kara etc.. mostly arrogant and abnoxious one's. Do you see many men find Lynch's character sexy (nothing against her of course but I don't see the appeal).

"You're not going to convince me otherwise because I know what I saw in him so as I said before, it's subjective, we're going to have to agree to disagree"
Yes let's just agree to disagree here as we haven't discuss a single Scene where i could see the appeal. I like Murphy to be very honest but far from Connery. There isn't a single actor in our time that i could think would be close to the effortless acting,sophistication and looks to match Connery and this is coming from a guy who grew up watching Craig's bond not Connery.

Didn't Cubby ask his wife about Connery before casting him because he wasn't sure? And she basically said "phwooar"!
The appeal of the lead actor to the female audience has always been a key factor in the casting consideration. Babs got it just right with DC as CR proved.

cwl007

When we (the collective Bond fan) read tabloid rumours we take it with a huge pinch of salty flavoured scepticism at the best of times. When one considers DC is still Bond as of right now and EON are gearing up to promote a new film we absolutely know rumours like this are total bullshit.
However that is irrelevant. The average movie goer who has a fleeting interest in Bond, will watch the new film when it comes out, who probably barely knows anything about the new release yet, let alone how the re casting of a new actor has been dealt with in the past, and then will move on to the next new film of the week WILL believe the tabloid rumours.
That's all The Sun etc need to peddle their circulation.

Resurrection

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thelivingroyale wrote: »

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JeremyBondon wrote: »

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A bigger name that to me seems a bit more viable is Cillian Murphy. Don't really think he has the look but my wife really fancies him and you only have to go on twitter when Peaky Blinders is on to know that other women feel the same, so he must have something about him on that end. And he's a really good actor. Connery levels of cool in Peaky Blinders.

Probably too old and maybe too famous but I think if you look at the sort of stuff he's done he's a more realistic choice than someone like Cavill. It'll probably be someone none of us had thought of anyway but I think if we do want to try and actually predict the next Bond we're better off looking at the casts of indie dramas, highly regarded TV stuff, theatre stuff, than the cast of Mission Impossible.

O Connell, Norton, Turner, even Jamie Bell. They've all been slated by different members but those are the sort of names that genuinely have a shot imo. Wishing for Cavill is as pointless as wishing for Connery to wake up tomorrow suddenly looking like he did in DN and come out of retirement. Not gonna happen.

No offense but majority of women on twitter like pattison as well and not because of his acting skills but solely based on looks. They still think that he is perfect for Batman and i laugh whenever i hear that. Murphy is phenomenal actor just not a good choice for bond. He kind of reminds of Wishaw's Q as well sometimes.

This and this. He looks quite effeminate to me as well. Cillian with a wig, yesh pleashe.
Edit: he sure is a pretty lass *lol* What has been seen... Say what you will about Cavill, he'd sure make for an unattractive lady :D

For me Murphy lacks the alpha male attributes. The way he walked, his voice says it all and don't get me started on his face. If Women find him sexy, good for them but that doesn't mean he is fit to be bond. I saw him in peaky blinders which I liked very much but never ever thought that this guy can be bond, still don't.

Murphy, pattison, Cavill or any other simply lacks the charisma. I liked other roles they played but not strong enough to impress me, surely critics may like them but never cared about critics . To be honest i am not really thrilled about pattison playing batman, he is nowhere near craig or bale acting skills. What Craig lacked in looks he makeup from his acting but pattison have neither for bond, for me he is just another Hollywood pretty boy who can get women excited. I can tell you mostly women are the one's defending him for his take on batman. Yes he will be better than the last batman but Affleck didn't really set the bar very high.

Murphy does looks like Q and here's the two photos for better comparison.

Pattinson seems to have successfully shed his pretty boy image though. He's more of an indie darling than anything else now. Not a big Batman fan but I think he'll be good. I doubt it's just women defending him. I'd heard how good he was in stuff long before he was Batman so it makes sense that people are giving him the benefit of the doubt. He isn't just the guy from Twilight anymore.

And you said he reminds you of Wishaw's Q, not that he looked like him (in a role where he's made up to look sort of geeky). I could find stills where he looks nothing like that. Swings and roundabouts. He's certainly nothing like him as an actor, and whether he's Bond material or not, I don't get how you could actually watch him in Peaky Blinders and think he doesn't have an alpha male quality or charisma (he pretty much carries that whole show). But there you go, subjective I suppose. Still think he'd be good personally, but probably is too old now anyway.

Pierce2Daniel wrote: »

I think Campbell has admitted that he was thinking along the ‘Pierce Brosnan’ lines when casting CR. Remember in 2005, casting someone like Daniel Craig was a very iconoclastic move. Now we are used to him, but then it was a big sea change.

Cavill is very wooden – it also doesn’t help that he’s been lumped with playing stoic heroes. He can’t really pull off the ‘mean and moody’ vibe as it just comes across as meagre and pouty. He’s a bit of an empty vessel and can’t do haunted and angst-ridden. It just draws attention to how bland he is……..

Though, I did see him in Man from UNCLE and recall him injecting some personality into that film…..though his performance in these clips is a little shaky. But boy, doesn’t he just look like James Bond…….





But I think Superman still rules him out. There are pretty much four/five hugely iconic roles in film history that get recast openly. Both Superman and James Bond are on that very short list. You can’t play two of them - especially in franchise films where you are the 'face of the campaign.' From a marketing perspective it's a nightmare and these are $200 million business enterprises.

Plus, Cavill is a tad boring and obvious for my liking…….I think you need someone edgy and interesting. I feel that person is still Jack O’Connell. He has something slightly provocative about him. He kinda reminds me of a cross between Sean Connery and Tom Hardy.

He looks so much better without that crap goatee. Proper Bond material there, have always said he'd be good when he was older and he's really starting to look the part now as well as having the acting chops.

Short or not he's by far the most likely choice so far imo. This is just a personal hunch mind and EON will probably surprise us like they did with Craig, but I dunno. I think he's the sort of actor Barbara will want. If the bookies have odds on him when the race heats up I might stick some money on it.

@MajorDSmythe To be honest I wasn't keen on the reboot/origin story idea either. The two kills bit in the novel was a flashback to who knows how many missions earlier and I think Bond letting his guard down for Vesper could have easily been portrayed as him "going soft" (the bit where he stares in the mirror after killing Obanno really reminded me of the bit in GF at the airport after he's killed the Mexican) and thinking he'd found another chance at happiness after Tracey. But I do think that angle worked fine with Craig, I don't think he was too old for it for the reasons I mentioned.

DoctorNo wrote: »

talos7 wrote: »

As has been pointed out, actors often look younger at a given age than actors of a comparable age did in the past. Between 35 and 40 seems like a good age to begin. If a film were to be released every 3 years, which is a very reasonable time table, a 40 year old actor could do 5 films in 12 years 40, 43, 46,49,52. Perfect.

I don’t agree with the 40 something Bond. 49, 52 are too old. This happened as Cubby got old and kept Old Roger in the part. Bond should be in his prime and 40s ain’t prime. No one gives a s@*$ (excuse me) about people in their 40s for a reason. It’s past prime.

Men want to be Bond and women want to be with him... that should be someone young, vibrant, with sex appeal... not lost a step, on viagra and looking distinguished. I agree some guys and people generally look younger, mostly from not smoking, but the aim should be to get a few movies in before the actor gets into their 40s and only a couple in early 40s. I mean look at how they’ve played Craig as lost a step and out of touch with the times...that’s lame. Bond should be one step ahead of everyone (like in CR)... and middle aged doesn’t fit that.

The lost a step thing, I get why that's grating, but out of touch is pretty much the only way you can do modern Bond anymore imo. The character is a dinasour at this point in so many ways and it'd be silly for the films not to acknowledge that. What matters is he keeps winning and proving he's still relevant in the end.

I actually think they could go further with it. Make him a proper old school, "did he really just say that" Gene Hunt type anti-hero, play up his more undesirable traits like his sexism for comedy's sake, let him start smoking again, etc.

All right let's break it down slowly.
"Pattinson seems to have successfully shed his pretty boy image though"
Give one film where he has successfully did that. He is average at best in every single role he played not just twilight.

"Not a big Batman fan but I think he'll be good"
You aren't a Batman fan but i am that's why I know he isn't fit to play. He is a bit pale for my taste and since he started bulking, he looks like tall dwarf to me. His face is trying desperately to fit in a grown man's body. To be very honest most won't admit but they are just trying to please women with this just like making 007 a woman, It's not a coincidence that all of this happening in 2020. What's next Kristen Stewart for Catwoman?

"I doubt it's just women defending him"
I said mostly women defending him not just women. Has any women gave you any reason why he should be bond or batman besides how sexy he looks? They won't admit because they are still living in their twilight bubble and their biased views. Not many hated twilight in the beginning, the hatred start afterwards when it became popular.

"you said he reminds you of Wishaw's Q, not that he looked like him (in a role where he's made up to look sort of geeky). I could find stills where he looks nothing like that"
You are welcome to post those stills and compare him with Connery if you would like, still not convinced that what exactly about him that you think he should have been bond. Bond isn't just about smoking or drinking but I said he kind of reminds me of Q and I even posted two photos for better comparison, yes i agree that he has played different characters as well doesn't mean he has what it takes to be bond. The reason you mentioned the first time is because you think women finds him hot without giving any benefit of doubt why or what possible reason but how many women actually watch James bond films or know much about the character may I ask,not many sadly.

"He's certainly nothing like him as an actor, and whether he's Bond material or not"
Whishaw won golden globe last year in case you care about what critics or award says and not for playing a feminine character.

"I don't get how you could actually watch him in Peaky Blinders and think he doesn't have an alpha male quality or charisma (he pretty much carries that whole show)"

Smoking and drinking doesn't make you an alpha, for me it's the act and how someone walks and carries himself, his voice should be something that command respect. An alpha doesn't need to pretend or shout out that he is one. As I said he is a phenomenal actor just not for bond and about carrying the show peaky blinders, i and many others i know started watching that show because of tom Hardy not Murphy but as started watching the show I liked him more than Hardy and watched him and pattison in a lot of films not just the one's they are known for. I don't dismiss someone solely based on one film or the series.

You're in the minority on Pattinson mate. There's a very real chance of him having an Oscar soon and he's won some very good reviews. If you're not a fan fair enough but I think you've got to accept he has something about him even if you don't see it. Why not just wait and see? People said Ledger would be a crap Joker and DC would be a crap Bond. The idea that they've cast him "just to please women" is ridiculous sorry. He's a highly respected actor whether you personally rate him or not.

I mentioned women finding him hot to justify what I thought was a more unconventional look, because at the end of the day, a women's or gay man's opinion on sex appeal matters more than mine. It isn't all they care about though and you don't make a billion dollars without appealing to women too. This site or big fans in general are definitely more male dominated but we don't matter. The masses are what matters. A lot of those masses are women. So I think your dismissal of womens opinions (on looks as well, which surely the part where they're most relevant for Bond, the man who "men want to be, women want to be with") because "women don't know/care about Bond" to be a little shortsighted. They're not making the films for a bunch of male Bond fans on sites like this. They're making the films for a big diverse movie going public. At the end of the day lots of women find Cillian Murphy attractive and when it comes to Bond's sex appeal, female opinion matters more than ours, just as male opinion matters more for the sex appeal of the Bond girls.

We could go round in circles about this all day because you clearly don't see what I see but he doesn't just shout in Peaky Blinders. His most commanding scenes are when he's way more restrained and subdued. I mentioned smoking and drinking to make a point that he hasn't just played effeminate characters. But those are minor gimmicks, you're right that what matters is how he carries and projects himself, and he does that very well. Effortless Connery levels of cool. You're not going to convince me otherwise because I know what I saw in him so as I said before, it's subjective, we're going to have to agree to disagree. He's nothing like Wishaw as an actor. He's shown he's much more versatile in how he's capable of much more masculine roles. Didn't Wishaw win a Golden Globe for A Very English Scandal? Where he played a poncey gay character? They're both good actors but they're not similar at all once you actually see them in action and posting a picture of him with glasses from Batman next to one of Wishaw as Q and saying "see! The same!" won't change that.

And Hardy is great in Peaky Blinders but he's barely in it. It's Murphy that's in every episode and keeps the whole thing going despite it being very style over substance. That's what I meant by carries the show and that ability to carry a show/film is something a Bond actor needs to have imo.

"You're in the minority on Pattinson mate"
Fair enough but if you looked through previous pages you will see i am not alone buddy. All the award in the world won't convince me but you still haven't said what scene exactly you came across that made you think - this guy would be a great bond. Do you believe the credibility of an actor only lies on how many awards he/she wins. Him winning an Oscar has nothing to do with your basic argument for playing bond, eon choose artists for the last two bond film's who have won Oscar or had potential to do so(waltz/Smith etc.), how would you say that turned out for us minor fans?

"I think you've got to accept he has something about him even if you don't see it"
If i haven't seen any potential in him how can I accept that.

"People said that DC would be a crap bond"
Well I don't know about crap but I like his two films(CR & SF), still he is not my favorite bond. A lot of people still aren't happy with his films here as well. I can tell you one thing though next bond actor won't be anything like DC because another unique face or origin bond is less likely to work in the coming decade as it would be repeating the same thing all over again but it won't be on a lighter tone like Roger or pierce films either. I have got a good feeling that it would be something akin to Timonthy's TLD. That's why someone like Turner has a better chance than others.

"This site or big fans in general are definitely more male dominated but we don't matter. The masses are what matters. A lot of those masses are women".
When you say we(men)don't matter is clear indication of what I was trying to convey in my first comment to you. The masses are surely women no doubt about that but those masses also want to see female bond(Jane bond) one day, if that day ever comes (god forbid) i would gladly be in the minority to dismiss that.

"So I think your dismissal of womens opinions"
I didn't dismiss all of them, only the one's who judge an actor solely based on the looks and i can tell you they are not in the minority. Only a few of them gave proper reasons why Pattison is so great.

"the part where they're most relevant for Bond, the man who - men want to be, women want to be with"
I can perfectly understand women want to be with but how many men want to be like Pattison or Murphy as of now i am only hearing you say this.

"When it comes to Bond's sex appeal, female opinion matters more than ours, just as male opinion matters more for the sex appeal of the Bond girls"
If male opinions matters then how come we don't have traditional bond girls anymore, what we see today are mostly pretentious one's pretending to be strong. It's funny that men's opinion doesn't matter on bond girls anymore. We don't have a single actress in NTTD who isn't holding a gun(Lea doesn't count ). I don't see feminine bond girls like Solitaire,Domino,kara etc.. mostly arrogant and abnoxious one's. Do you see many men find Lynch's character sexy (nothing against her of course but I don't see the appeal).

"You're not going to convince me otherwise because I know what I saw in him so as I said before, it's subjective, we're going to have to agree to disagree"
Yes let's just agree to disagree here as we haven't discuss a single Scene where i could see the appeal. I like Murphy to be very honest but far from Connery. There isn't a single actor in our time that i could think would be close to the effortless acting,sophistication and looks to match Connery and this is coming from a guy who grew up watching Craig's bond not Connery.

Didn't Cubby ask his wife about Connery before casting him because he wasn't sure? And she basically said "phwooar"!
The appeal of the lead actor to the female audience has always been a key factor in the casting consideration. Babs got it just right with DC as CR proved.

Yes I am aware of that and nothing wrong in it but was that the only reason they selected Connery? There are many factors at play.
I didn't completely disagree with that. I don't know if you know this or not but pierce is quite popular in ladies than Daniel.

My whole point was if women's opinion on men's appeal matters then why we stop taking or considering men's opinion about bond girl's sexual appeal. The latest one is Lynch, do you really think men actually find her attractive. Here's our leading characters from Craig Era. Make it what you will.

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My whole point was if women's opinion on men's appeal matters then why we stop taking or considering men's opinion about bond girl's sexual appeal. The latest one is Lynch, do you really think men actually find her attractive. Here's our leading characters from Craig Era. Make it what you will.

I certainly don't mind her looks (better with longer hair though – as seen in the Jamaica part of the trailer). But I also don't think Nomi will be a Bond girl type role, but rather a 00 who happens to be female.

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My whole point was if women's opinion on men's appeal matters then why we stop taking or considering men's opinion about bond girl's sexual appeal. The latest one is Lynch, do you really think men actually find her attractive. Here's our leading characters from Craig Era. Make it what you will.

I certainly don't mind her looks (better with longer hair though – as seen in the Jamaica part of the trailer). But I also don't think Nomi will be a Bond girl type role, but rather a 00 who happens to be female.

I get that but I was actually talking about leading actress be more sexually appealing to mass audience as much bond matters to other gender. As I said before why do they need to have every single female character in action. Why we don't have solitaire,Kara in our time.
Vesper is the only one they got right and forgive me but any actress apart from Villian or M should be consider a bond girl even a 00.

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My whole point was if women's opinion on men's appeal matters then why we stop taking or considering men's opinion about bond girl's sexual appeal. The latest one is Lynch, do you really think men actually find her attractive. Here's our leading characters from Craig Era. Make it what you will.

I certainly don't mind her looks (better with longer hair though – as seen in the Jamaica part of the trailer). But I also don't think Nomi will be a Bond girl type role, but rather a 00 who happens to be female.

I get that but I was actually talking about leading actress be more sexually appealing to mass audience as much bond matters to other gender. As I said before why do they need to have every single female character in action. Why we don't have solitaire,Kara in our time.
Vesper is the only one they got right and forgive me but any actress apart from Villian or M should be consider a bond girl even a 00.

I suspect the leading actress in NTTD will (again) be Léa Seydoux, so whether a different character is less appealing to some, I really don't care about. I do wish we get a Solitaire/Kara etc type of main Bond girl again (I like the type of characters who unwillingly becomes a part of a villain's plot), but as far as any actress beside the villain, M or Moneypenny having to fill the role of a Bond girl, I disagree with.

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My whole point was if women's opinion on men's appeal matters then why we stop taking or considering men's opinion about bond girl's sexual appeal. The latest one is Lynch, do you really think men actually find her attractive. Here's our leading characters from Craig Era. Make it what you will.

I certainly don't mind her looks (better with longer hair though – as seen in the Jamaica part of the trailer). But I also don't think Nomi will be a Bond girl type role, but rather a 00 who happens to be female.

I get that but I was actually talking about leading actress be more sexually appealing to mass audience as much bond matters to other gender. As I said before why do they need to have every single female character in action. Why we don't have solitaire,Kara in our time.
Vesper is the only one they got right and forgive me but any actress apart from Villian or M should be consider a bond girl even a 00.

I suspect the leading actress in NTTD will (again) be Léa Seydoux, so whether a different character is less appealing to some, I really don't care about. I do wish we get a Solitaire/Kara etc type of main Bond girl again (I like the type of characters who unwillingly becomes a part of a villain's plot), but as far as any actress beside the villain, M or Moneypenny having to fill the role of a Bond girl, I disagree with.

No issues. Just like Women want their male 007 to be physically appealing I also want my female 007 to be physically appealing,as of now I am disappointed. Although I am still in doubt if she is actually 007. We have yet to see that.

Torgeirtrap

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Torgeirtrap wrote: »

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My whole point was if women's opinion on men's appeal matters then why we stop taking or considering men's opinion about bond girl's sexual appeal. The latest one is Lynch, do you really think men actually find her attractive. Here's our leading characters from Craig Era. Make it what you will.

I certainly don't mind her looks (better with longer hair though – as seen in the Jamaica part of the trailer). But I also don't think Nomi will be a Bond girl type role, but rather a 00 who happens to be female.

I get that but I was actually talking about leading actress be more sexually appealing to mass audience as much bond matters to other gender. As I said before why do they need to have every single female character in action. Why we don't have solitaire,Kara in our time.
Vesper is the only one they got right and forgive me but any actress apart from Villian or M should be consider a bond girl even a 00.

I suspect the leading actress in NTTD will (again) be Léa Seydoux, so whether a different character is less appealing to some, I really don't care about. I do wish we get a Solitaire/Kara etc type of main Bond girl again (I like the type of characters who unwillingly becomes a part of a villain's plot), but as far as any actress beside the villain, M or Moneypenny having to fill the role of a Bond girl, I disagree with.

No issues. Just like Women want their male 007 to be physically appealing I also want my female 007 to be physically appealing,as of now I am disappointed. Although I am still in doubt if she is actually 007. We have yet to see that.

Likewise, no problem. And I agree, we don't have it confirmed yet that she is 007 (but I imagine she is), so that's why I wrote 00, not 007. ;-)

As far as attractiveness goes, that's obviously an individual matter; I know women who don't think Craig has the right look for Bond for example.

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A bigger name that to me seems a bit more viable is Cillian Murphy. Don't really think he has the look but my wife really fancies him and you only have to go on twitter when Peaky Blinders is on to know that other women feel the same, so he must have something about him on that end. And he's a really good actor. Connery levels of cool in Peaky Blinders.

Probably too old and maybe too famous but I think if you look at the sort of stuff he's done he's a more realistic choice than someone like Cavill. It'll probably be someone none of us had thought of anyway but I think if we do want to try and actually predict the next Bond we're better off looking at the casts of indie dramas, highly regarded TV stuff, theatre stuff, than the cast of Mission Impossible.

O Connell, Norton, Turner, even Jamie Bell. They've all been slated by different members but those are the sort of names that genuinely have a shot imo. Wishing for Cavill is as pointless as wishing for Connery to wake up tomorrow suddenly looking like he did in DN and come out of retirement. Not gonna happen.

No offense but majority of women on twitter like pattison as well and not because of his acting skills but solely based on looks. They still think that he is perfect for Batman and i laugh whenever i hear that. Murphy is phenomenal actor just not a good choice for bond. He kind of reminds of Wishaw's Q as well sometimes.

This and this. He looks quite effeminate to me as well. Cillian with a wig, yesh pleashe.
Edit: he sure is a pretty lass *lol* What has been seen... Say what you will about Cavill, he'd sure make for an unattractive lady :D

For me Murphy lacks the alpha male attributes. The way he walked, his voice says it all and don't get me started on his face. If Women find him sexy, good for them but that doesn't mean he is fit to be bond. I saw him in peaky blinders which I liked very much but never ever thought that this guy can be bond, still don't.

Murphy, pattison, Cavill or any other simply lacks the charisma. I liked other roles they played but not strong enough to impress me, surely critics may like them but never cared about critics . To be honest i am not really thrilled about pattison playing batman, he is nowhere near craig or bale acting skills. What Craig lacked in looks he makeup from his acting but pattison have neither for bond, for me he is just another Hollywood pretty boy who can get women excited. I can tell you mostly women are the one's defending him for his take on batman. Yes he will be better than the last batman but Affleck didn't really set the bar very high.

Murphy does looks like Q and here's the two photos for better comparison.

Pattinson seems to have successfully shed his pretty boy image though. He's more of an indie darling than anything else now. Not a big Batman fan but I think he'll be good. I doubt it's just women defending him. I'd heard how good he was in stuff long before he was Batman so it makes sense that people are giving him the benefit of the doubt. He isn't just the guy from Twilight anymore.

And you said he reminds you of Wishaw's Q, not that he looked like him (in a role where he's made up to look sort of geeky). I could find stills where he looks nothing like that. Swings and roundabouts. He's certainly nothing like him as an actor, and whether he's Bond material or not, I don't get how you could actually watch him in Peaky Blinders and think he doesn't have an alpha male quality or charisma (he pretty much carries that whole show). But there you go, subjective I suppose. Still think he'd be good personally, but probably is too old now anyway.

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I think Campbell has admitted that he was thinking along the ‘Pierce Brosnan’ lines when casting CR. Remember in 2005, casting someone like Daniel Craig was a very iconoclastic move. Now we are used to him, but then it was a big sea change.

Cavill is very wooden – it also doesn’t help that he’s been lumped with playing stoic heroes. He can’t really pull off the ‘mean and moody’ vibe as it just comes across as meagre and pouty. He’s a bit of an empty vessel and can’t do haunted and angst-ridden. It just draws attention to how bland he is……..

Though, I did see him in Man from UNCLE and recall him injecting some personality into that film…..though his performance in these clips is a little shaky. But boy, doesn’t he just look like James Bond…….





But I think Superman still rules him out. There are pretty much four/five hugely iconic roles in film history that get recast openly. Both Superman and James Bond are on that very short list. You can’t play two of them - especially in franchise films where you are the 'face of the campaign.' From a marketing perspective it's a nightmare and these are $200 million business enterprises.

Plus, Cavill is a tad boring and obvious for my liking…….I think you need someone edgy and interesting. I feel that person is still Jack O’Connell. He has something slightly provocative about him. He kinda reminds me of a cross between Sean Connery and Tom Hardy.

He looks so much better without that crap goatee. Proper Bond material there, have always said he'd be good when he was older and he's really starting to look the part now as well as having the acting chops.

Short or not he's by far the most likely choice so far imo. This is just a personal hunch mind and EON will probably surprise us like they did with Craig, but I dunno. I think he's the sort of actor Barbara will want. If the bookies have odds on him when the race heats up I might stick some money on it.

@MajorDSmythe To be honest I wasn't keen on the reboot/origin story idea either. The two kills bit in the novel was a flashback to who knows how many missions earlier and I think Bond letting his guard down for Vesper could have easily been portrayed as him "going soft" (the bit where he stares in the mirror after killing Obanno really reminded me of the bit in GF at the airport after he's killed the Mexican) and thinking he'd found another chance at happiness after Tracey. But I do think that angle worked fine with Craig, I don't think he was too old for it for the reasons I mentioned.

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As has been pointed out, actors often look younger at a given age than actors of a comparable age did in the past. Between 35 and 40 seems like a good age to begin. If a film were to be released every 3 years, which is a very reasonable time table, a 40 year old actor could do 5 films in 12 years 40, 43, 46,49,52. Perfect.

I don’t agree with the 40 something Bond. 49, 52 are too old. This happened as Cubby got old and kept Old Roger in the part. Bond should be in his prime and 40s ain’t prime. No one gives a s@*$ (excuse me) about people in their 40s for a reason. It’s past prime.

Men want to be Bond and women want to be with him... that should be someone young, vibrant, with sex appeal... not lost a step, on viagra and looking distinguished. I agree some guys and people generally look younger, mostly from not smoking, but the aim should be to get a few movies in before the actor gets into their 40s and only a couple in early 40s. I mean look at how they’ve played Craig as lost a step and out of touch with the times...that’s lame. Bond should be one step ahead of everyone (like in CR)... and middle aged doesn’t fit that.

The lost a step thing, I get why that's grating, but out of touch is pretty much the only way you can do modern Bond anymore imo. The character is a dinasour at this point in so many ways and it'd be silly for the films not to acknowledge that. What matters is he keeps winning and proving he's still relevant in the end.

I actually think they could go further with it. Make him a proper old school, "did he really just say that" Gene Hunt type anti-hero, play up his more undesirable traits like his sexism for comedy's sake, let him start smoking again, etc.

All right let's break it down slowly.
"Pattinson seems to have successfully shed his pretty boy image though"
Give one film where he has successfully did that. He is average at best in every single role he played not just twilight.

"Not a big Batman fan but I think he'll be good"
You aren't a Batman fan but i am that's why I know he isn't fit to play. He is a bit pale for my taste and since he started bulking, he looks like tall dwarf to me. His face is trying desperately to fit in a grown man's body. To be very honest most won't admit but they are just trying to please women with this just like making 007 a woman, It's not a coincidence that all of this happening in 2020. What's next Kristen Stewart for Catwoman?

"I doubt it's just women defending him"
I said mostly women defending him not just women. Has any women gave you any reason why he should be bond or batman besides how sexy he looks? They won't admit because they are still living in their twilight bubble and their biased views. Not many hated twilight in the beginning, the hatred start afterwards when it became popular.

"you said he reminds you of Wishaw's Q, not that he looked like him (in a role where he's made up to look sort of geeky). I could find stills where he looks nothing like that"
You are welcome to post those stills and compare him with Connery if you would like, still not convinced that what exactly about him that you think he should have been bond. Bond isn't just about smoking or drinking but I said he kind of reminds me of Q and I even posted two photos for better comparison, yes i agree that he has played different characters as well doesn't mean he has what it takes to be bond. The reason you mentioned the first time is because you think women finds him hot without giving any benefit of doubt why or what possible reason but how many women actually watch James bond films or know much about the character may I ask,not many sadly.

"He's certainly nothing like him as an actor, and whether he's Bond material or not"
Whishaw won golden globe last year in case you care about what critics or award says and not for playing a feminine character.

"I don't get how you could actually watch him in Peaky Blinders and think he doesn't have an alpha male quality or charisma (he pretty much carries that whole show)"

Smoking and drinking doesn't make you an alpha, for me it's the act and how someone walks and carries himself, his voice should be something that command respect. An alpha doesn't need to pretend or shout out that he is one. As I said he is a phenomenal actor just not for bond and about carrying the show peaky blinders, i and many others i know started watching that show because of tom Hardy not Murphy but as started watching the show I liked him more than Hardy and watched him and pattison in a lot of films not just the one's they are known for. I don't dismiss someone solely based on one film or the series.

You're in the minority on Pattinson mate. There's a very real chance of him having an Oscar soon and he's won some very good reviews. If you're not a fan fair enough but I think you've got to accept he has something about him even if you don't see it. Why not just wait and see? People said Ledger would be a crap Joker and DC would be a crap Bond. The idea that they've cast him "just to please women" is ridiculous sorry. He's a highly respected actor whether you personally rate him or not.

I mentioned women finding him hot to justify what I thought was a more unconventional look, because at the end of the day, a women's or gay man's opinion on sex appeal matters more than mine. It isn't all they care about though and you don't make a billion dollars without appealing to women too. This site or big fans in general are definitely more male dominated but we don't matter. The masses are what matters. A lot of those masses are women. So I think your dismissal of womens opinions (on looks as well, which surely the part where they're most relevant for Bond, the man who "men want to be, women want to be with") because "women don't know/care about Bond" to be a little shortsighted. They're not making the films for a bunch of male Bond fans on sites like this. They're making the films for a big diverse movie going public. At the end of the day lots of women find Cillian Murphy attractive and when it comes to Bond's sex appeal, female opinion matters more than ours, just as male opinion matters more for the sex appeal of the Bond girls.

We could go round in circles about this all day because you clearly don't see what I see but he doesn't just shout in Peaky Blinders. His most commanding scenes are when he's way more restrained and subdued. I mentioned smoking and drinking to make a point that he hasn't just played effeminate characters. But those are minor gimmicks, you're right that what matters is how he carries and projects himself, and he does that very well. Effortless Connery levels of cool. You're not going to convince me otherwise because I know what I saw in him so as I said before, it's subjective, we're going to have to agree to disagree. He's nothing like Wishaw as an actor. He's shown he's much more versatile in how he's capable of much more masculine roles. Didn't Wishaw win a Golden Globe for A Very English Scandal? Where he played a poncey gay character? They're both good actors but they're not similar at all once you actually see them in action and posting a picture of him with glasses from Batman next to one of Wishaw as Q and saying "see! The same!" won't change that.

And Hardy is great in Peaky Blinders but he's barely in it. It's Murphy that's in every episode and keeps the whole thing going despite it being very style over substance. That's what I meant by carries the show and that ability to carry a show/film is something a Bond actor needs to have imo.

"You're in the minority on Pattinson mate"
Fair enough but if you looked through previous pages you will see i am not alone buddy. All the award in the world won't convince me but you still haven't said what scene exactly you came across that made you think - this guy would be a great bond. Do you believe the credibility of an actor only lies on how many awards he/she wins. Him winning an Oscar has nothing to do with your basic argument for playing bond, eon choose artists for the last two bond film's who have won Oscar or had potential to do so(waltz/Smith etc.), how would you say that turned out for us minor fans?

"I think you've got to accept he has something about him even if you don't see it"
If i haven't seen any potential in him how can I accept that.

"People said that DC would be a crap bond"
Well I don't know about crap but I like his two films(CR & SF), still he is not my favorite bond. A lot of people still aren't happy with his films here as well. I can tell you one thing though next bond actor won't be anything like DC because another unique face or origin bond is less likely to work in the coming decade as it would be repeating the same thing all over again but it won't be on a lighter tone like Roger or pierce films either. I have got a good feeling that it would be something akin to Timonthy's TLD. That's why someone like Turner has a better chance than others.

"This site or big fans in general are definitely more male dominated but we don't matter. The masses are what matters. A lot of those masses are women".
When you say we(men)don't matter is clear indication of what I was trying to convey in my first comment to you. The masses are surely women no doubt about that but those masses also want to see female bond(Jane bond) one day, if that day ever comes (god forbid) i would gladly be in the minority to dismiss that.

"So I think your dismissal of womens opinions"
I didn't dismiss all of them, only the one's who judge an actor solely based on the looks and i can tell you they are not in the minority. Only a few of them gave proper reasons why Pattison is so great.

"the part where they're most relevant for Bond, the man who - men want to be, women want to be with"
I can perfectly understand women want to be with but how many men want to be like Pattison or Murphy as of now i am only hearing you say this.

"When it comes to Bond's sex appeal, female opinion matters more than ours, just as male opinion matters more for the sex appeal of the Bond girls"
If male opinions matters then how come we don't have traditional bond girls anymore, what we see today are mostly pretentious one's pretending to be strong. It's funny that men's opinion doesn't matter on bond girls anymore. We don't have a single actress in NTTD who isn't holding a gun(Lea doesn't count ). I don't see feminine bond girls like Solitaire,Domino,kara etc.. mostly arrogant and abnoxious one's. Do you see many men find Lynch's character sexy (nothing against her of course but I don't see the appeal).

"You're not going to convince me otherwise because I know what I saw in him so as I said before, it's subjective, we're going to have to agree to disagree"
Yes let's just agree to disagree here as we haven't discuss a single Scene where i could see the appeal. I like Murphy to be very honest but far from Connery. There isn't a single actor in our time that i could think would be close to the effortless acting,sophistication and looks to match Connery and this is coming from a guy who grew up watching Craig's bond not Connery.

Didn't Cubby ask his wife about Connery before casting him because he wasn't sure? And she basically said "phwooar"!
The appeal of the lead actor to the female audience has always been a key factor in the casting consideration. Babs got it just right with DC as CR proved.

Yes I am aware of that and nothing wrong in it but was that the only reason they selected Connery? There are many factors at play.
I didn't completely disagree with that. I don't know if you know this or not but pierce is quite popular in ladies than Daniel.

My whole point was if women's opinion on men's appeal matters then why we stop taking or considering men's opinion about bond girl's sexual appeal. The latest one is Lynch, do you really think men actually find her attractive. Here's our leading characters from Craig Era. Make it what you will.

Well, I must say they've painted themselves into a corner by starting with Eva Green (and Caterina Murino). I mean, where do you go after that? ;)

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A bigger name that to me seems a bit more viable is Cillian Murphy. Don't really think he has the look but my wife really fancies him and you only have to go on twitter when Peaky Blinders is on to know that other women feel the same, so he must have something about him on that end. And he's a really good actor. Connery levels of cool in Peaky Blinders.

Probably too old and maybe too famous but I think if you look at the sort of stuff he's done he's a more realistic choice than someone like Cavill. It'll probably be someone none of us had thought of anyway but I think if we do want to try and actually predict the next Bond we're better off looking at the casts of indie dramas, highly regarded TV stuff, theatre stuff, than the cast of Mission Impossible.

O Connell, Norton, Turner, even Jamie Bell. They've all been slated by different members but those are the sort of names that genuinely have a shot imo. Wishing for Cavill is as pointless as wishing for Connery to wake up tomorrow suddenly looking like he did in DN and come out of retirement. Not gonna happen.

No offense but majority of women on twitter like pattison as well and not because of his acting skills but solely based on looks. They still think that he is perfect for Batman and i laugh whenever i hear that. Murphy is phenomenal actor just not a good choice for bond. He kind of reminds of Wishaw's Q as well sometimes.

This and this. He looks quite effeminate to me as well. Cillian with a wig, yesh pleashe.
Edit: he sure is a pretty lass *lol* What has been seen... Say what you will about Cavill, he'd sure make for an unattractive lady :D

For me Murphy lacks the alpha male attributes. The way he walked, his voice says it all and don't get me started on his face. If Women find him sexy, good for them but that doesn't mean he is fit to be bond. I saw him in peaky blinders which I liked very much but never ever thought that this guy can be bond, still don't.

Murphy, pattison, Cavill or any other simply lacks the charisma. I liked other roles they played but not strong enough to impress me, surely critics may like them but never cared about critics . To be honest i am not really thrilled about pattison playing batman, he is nowhere near craig or bale acting skills. What Craig lacked in looks he makeup from his acting but pattison have neither for bond, for me he is just another Hollywood pretty boy who can get women excited. I can tell you mostly women are the one's defending him for his take on batman. Yes he will be better than the last batman but Affleck didn't really set the bar very high.

Murphy does looks like Q and here's the two photos for better comparison.

Pattinson seems to have successfully shed his pretty boy image though. He's more of an indie darling than anything else now. Not a big Batman fan but I think he'll be good. I doubt it's just women defending him. I'd heard how good he was in stuff long before he was Batman so it makes sense that people are giving him the benefit of the doubt. He isn't just the guy from Twilight anymore.

And you said he reminds you of Wishaw's Q, not that he looked like him (in a role where he's made up to look sort of geeky). I could find stills where he looks nothing like that. Swings and roundabouts. He's certainly nothing like him as an actor, and whether he's Bond material or not, I don't get how you could actually watch him in Peaky Blinders and think he doesn't have an alpha male quality or charisma (he pretty much carries that whole show). But there you go, subjective I suppose. Still think he'd be good personally, but probably is too old now anyway.

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I think Campbell has admitted that he was thinking along the ‘Pierce Brosnan’ lines when casting CR. Remember in 2005, casting someone like Daniel Craig was a very iconoclastic move. Now we are used to him, but then it was a big sea change.

Cavill is very wooden – it also doesn’t help that he’s been lumped with playing stoic heroes. He can’t really pull off the ‘mean and moody’ vibe as it just comes across as meagre and pouty. He’s a bit of an empty vessel and can’t do haunted and angst-ridden. It just draws attention to how bland he is……..

Though, I did see him in Man from UNCLE and recall him injecting some personality into that film…..though his performance in these clips is a little shaky. But boy, doesn’t he just look like James Bond…….





But I think Superman still rules him out. There are pretty much four/five hugely iconic roles in film history that get recast openly. Both Superman and James Bond are on that very short list. You can’t play two of them - especially in franchise films where you are the 'face of the campaign.' From a marketing perspective it's a nightmare and these are $200 million business enterprises.

Plus, Cavill is a tad boring and obvious for my liking…….I think you need someone edgy and interesting. I feel that person is still Jack O’Connell. He has something slightly provocative about him. He kinda reminds me of a cross between Sean Connery and Tom Hardy.

He looks so much better without that crap goatee. Proper Bond material there, have always said he'd be good when he was older and he's really starting to look the part now as well as having the acting chops.

Short or not he's by far the most likely choice so far imo. This is just a personal hunch mind and EON will probably surprise us like they did with Craig, but I dunno. I think he's the sort of actor Barbara will want. If the bookies have odds on him when the race heats up I might stick some money on it.

@MajorDSmythe To be honest I wasn't keen on the reboot/origin story idea either. The two kills bit in the novel was a flashback to who knows how many missions earlier and I think Bond letting his guard down for Vesper could have easily been portrayed as him "going soft" (the bit where he stares in the mirror after killing Obanno really reminded me of the bit in GF at the airport after he's killed the Mexican) and thinking he'd found another chance at happiness after Tracey. But I do think that angle worked fine with Craig, I don't think he was too old for it for the reasons I mentioned.

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As has been pointed out, actors often look younger at a given age than actors of a comparable age did in the past. Between 35 and 40 seems like a good age to begin. If a film were to be released every 3 years, which is a very reasonable time table, a 40 year old actor could do 5 films in 12 years 40, 43, 46,49,52. Perfect.

I don’t agree with the 40 something Bond. 49, 52 are too old. This happened as Cubby got old and kept Old Roger in the part. Bond should be in his prime and 40s ain’t prime. No one gives a s@*$ (excuse me) about people in their 40s for a reason. It’s past prime.

Men want to be Bond and women want to be with him... that should be someone young, vibrant, with sex appeal... not lost a step, on viagra and looking distinguished. I agree some guys and people generally look younger, mostly from not smoking, but the aim should be to get a few movies in before the actor gets into their 40s and only a couple in early 40s. I mean look at how they’ve played Craig as lost a step and out of touch with the times...that’s lame. Bond should be one step ahead of everyone (like in CR)... and middle aged doesn’t fit that.

The lost a step thing, I get why that's grating, but out of touch is pretty much the only way you can do modern Bond anymore imo. The character is a dinasour at this point in so many ways and it'd be silly for the films not to acknowledge that. What matters is he keeps winning and proving he's still relevant in the end.

I actually think they could go further with it. Make him a proper old school, "did he really just say that" Gene Hunt type anti-hero, play up his more undesirable traits like his sexism for comedy's sake, let him start smoking again, etc.

All right let's break it down slowly.
"Pattinson seems to have successfully shed his pretty boy image though"
Give one film where he has successfully did that. He is average at best in every single role he played not just twilight.

"Not a big Batman fan but I think he'll be good"
You aren't a Batman fan but i am that's why I know he isn't fit to play. He is a bit pale for my taste and since he started bulking, he looks like tall dwarf to me. His face is trying desperately to fit in a grown man's body. To be very honest most won't admit but they are just trying to please women with this just like making 007 a woman, It's not a coincidence that all of this happening in 2020. What's next Kristen Stewart for Catwoman?

"I doubt it's just women defending him"
I said mostly women defending him not just women. Has any women gave you any reason why he should be bond or batman besides how sexy he looks? They won't admit because they are still living in their twilight bubble and their biased views. Not many hated twilight in the beginning, the hatred start afterwards when it became popular.

"you said he reminds you of Wishaw's Q, not that he looked like him (in a role where he's made up to look sort of geeky). I could find stills where he looks nothing like that"
You are welcome to post those stills and compare him with Connery if you would like, still not convinced that what exactly about him that you think he should have been bond. Bond isn't just about smoking or drinking but I said he kind of reminds me of Q and I even posted two photos for better comparison, yes i agree that he has played different characters as well doesn't mean he has what it takes to be bond. The reason you mentioned the first time is because you think women finds him hot without giving any benefit of doubt why or what possible reason but how many women actually watch James bond films or know much about the character may I ask,not many sadly.

"He's certainly nothing like him as an actor, and whether he's Bond material or not"
Whishaw won golden globe last year in case you care about what critics or award says and not for playing a feminine character.

"I don't get how you could actually watch him in Peaky Blinders and think he doesn't have an alpha male quality or charisma (he pretty much carries that whole show)"

Smoking and drinking doesn't make you an alpha, for me it's the act and how someone walks and carries himself, his voice should be something that command respect. An alpha doesn't need to pretend or shout out that he is one. As I said he is a phenomenal actor just not for bond and about carrying the show peaky blinders, i and many others i know started watching that show because of tom Hardy not Murphy but as started watching the show I liked him more than Hardy and watched him and pattison in a lot of films not just the one's they are known for. I don't dismiss someone solely based on one film or the series.

You're in the minority on Pattinson mate. There's a very real chance of him having an Oscar soon and he's won some very good reviews. If you're not a fan fair enough but I think you've got to accept he has something about him even if you don't see it. Why not just wait and see? People said Ledger would be a crap Joker and DC would be a crap Bond. The idea that they've cast him "just to please women" is ridiculous sorry. He's a highly respected actor whether you personally rate him or not.

I mentioned women finding him hot to justify what I thought was a more unconventional look, because at the end of the day, a women's or gay man's opinion on sex appeal matters more than mine. It isn't all they care about though and you don't make a billion dollars without appealing to women too. This site or big fans in general are definitely more male dominated but we don't matter. The masses are what matters. A lot of those masses are women. So I think your dismissal of womens opinions (on looks as well, which surely the part where they're most relevant for Bond, the man who "men want to be, women want to be with") because "women don't know/care about Bond" to be a little shortsighted. They're not making the films for a bunch of male Bond fans on sites like this. They're making the films for a big diverse movie going public. At the end of the day lots of women find Cillian Murphy attractive and when it comes to Bond's sex appeal, female opinion matters more than ours, just as male opinion matters more for the sex appeal of the Bond girls.

We could go round in circles about this all day because you clearly don't see what I see but he doesn't just shout in Peaky Blinders. His most commanding scenes are when he's way more restrained and subdued. I mentioned smoking and drinking to make a point that he hasn't just played effeminate characters. But those are minor gimmicks, you're right that what matters is how he carries and projects himself, and he does that very well. Effortless Connery levels of cool. You're not going to convince me otherwise because I know what I saw in him so as I said before, it's subjective, we're going to have to agree to disagree. He's nothing like Wishaw as an actor. He's shown he's much more versatile in how he's capable of much more masculine roles. Didn't Wishaw win a Golden Globe for A Very English Scandal? Where he played a poncey gay character? They're both good actors but they're not similar at all once you actually see them in action and posting a picture of him with glasses from Batman next to one of Wishaw as Q and saying "see! The same!" won't change that.

And Hardy is great in Peaky Blinders but he's barely in it. It's Murphy that's in every episode and keeps the whole thing going despite it being very style over substance. That's what I meant by carries the show and that ability to carry a show/film is something a Bond actor needs to have imo.

"You're in the minority on Pattinson mate"
Fair enough but if you looked through previous pages you will see i am not alone buddy. All the award in the world won't convince me but you still haven't said what scene exactly you came across that made you think - this guy would be a great bond. Do you believe the credibility of an actor only lies on how many awards he/she wins. Him winning an Oscar has nothing to do with your basic argument for playing bond, eon choose artists for the last two bond film's who have won Oscar or had potential to do so(waltz/Smith etc.), how would you say that turned out for us minor fans?

"I think you've got to accept he has something about him even if you don't see it"
If i haven't seen any potential in him how can I accept that.

"People said that DC would be a crap bond"
Well I don't know about crap but I like his two films(CR & SF), still he is not my favorite bond. A lot of people still aren't happy with his films here as well. I can tell you one thing though next bond actor won't be anything like DC because another unique face or origin bond is less likely to work in the coming decade as it would be repeating the same thing all over again but it won't be on a lighter tone like Roger or pierce films either. I have got a good feeling that it would be something akin to Timonthy's TLD. That's why someone like Turner has a better chance than others.

"This site or big fans in general are definitely more male dominated but we don't matter. The masses are what matters. A lot of those masses are women".
When you say we(men)don't matter is clear indication of what I was trying to convey in my first comment to you. The masses are surely women no doubt about that but those masses also want to see female bond(Jane bond) one day, if that day ever comes (god forbid) i would gladly be in the minority to dismiss that.

"So I think your dismissal of womens opinions"
I didn't dismiss all of them, only the one's who judge an actor solely based on the looks and i can tell you they are not in the minority. Only a few of them gave proper reasons why Pattison is so great.

"the part where they're most relevant for Bond, the man who - men want to be, women want to be with"
I can perfectly understand women want to be with but how many men want to be like Pattison or Murphy as of now i am only hearing you say this.

"When it comes to Bond's sex appeal, female opinion matters more than ours, just as male opinion matters more for the sex appeal of the Bond girls"
If male opinions matters then how come we don't have traditional bond girls anymore, what we see today are mostly pretentious one's pretending to be strong. It's funny that men's opinion doesn't matter on bond girls anymore. We don't have a single actress in NTTD who isn't holding a gun(Lea doesn't count ). I don't see feminine bond girls like Solitaire,Domino,kara etc.. mostly arrogant and abnoxious one's. Do you see many men find Lynch's character sexy (nothing against her of course but I don't see the appeal).

"You're not going to convince me otherwise because I know what I saw in him so as I said before, it's subjective, we're going to have to agree to disagree"
Yes let's just agree to disagree here as we haven't discuss a single Scene where i could see the appeal. I like Murphy to be very honest but far from Connery. There isn't a single actor in our time that i could think would be close to the effortless acting,sophistication and looks to match Connery and this is coming from a guy who grew up watching Craig's bond not Connery.

Didn't Cubby ask his wife about Connery before casting him because he wasn't sure? And she basically said "phwooar"!
The appeal of the lead actor to the female audience has always been a key factor in the casting consideration. Babs got it just right with DC as CR proved.

Yes I am aware of that and nothing wrong in it but was that the only reason they selected Connery? There are many factors at play.
I didn't completely disagree with that. I don't know if you know this or not but pierce is quite popular in ladies than Daniel.

My whole point was if women's opinion on men's appeal matters then why we stop taking or considering men's opinion about bond girl's sexual appeal. The latest one is Lynch, do you really think men actually find her attractive. Here's our leading characters from Craig Era. Make it what you will.

Well, I must say they've painted themselves into a corner by starting with Eva Green (and Caterina Murino). I mean, where do you go after that? ;)

Olga :x :x :x

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My whole point was if women's opinion on men's appeal matters then why we stop taking or considering men's opinion about bond girl's sexual appeal. The latest one is Lynch, do you really think men actually find her attractive. Here's our leading characters from Craig Era. Make it what you will.

I certainly don't mind her looks (better with longer hair though – as seen in the Jamaica part of the trailer). But I also don't think Nomi will be a Bond girl type role, but rather a 00 who happens to be female.

I get that but I was actually talking about leading actress be more sexually appealing to mass audience as much bond matters to other gender. As I said before why do they need to have every single female character in action. Why we don't have solitaire,Kara in our time.
Vesper is the only one they got right and forgive me but any actress apart from Villian or M should be consider a bond girl even a 00.

I suspect the leading actress in NTTD will (again) be Léa Seydoux, so whether a different character is less appealing to some, I really don't care about. I do wish we get a Solitaire/Kara etc type of main Bond girl again (I like the type of characters who unwillingly becomes a part of a villain's plot), but as far as any actress beside the villain, M or Moneypenny having to fill the role of a Bond girl, I disagree with.

No issues. Just like Women want their male 007 to be physically appealing I also want my female 007 to be physically appealing,as of now I am disappointed. Although I am still in doubt if she is actually 007. We have yet to see that.

Likewise, no problem. And I agree, we don't have it confirmed yet that she is 007 (but I imagine she is), so that's why I wrote 00, not 007. ;-)

As far as attractiveness goes, that's obviously an individual matter; I know women who don't think Craig has the right look for Bond for example.

Every women except one or two whom I know or talked to only find pierce attractive.
Funny thing my gf love Daniel. Sometimes I have to say this to her.
" what the hell is wrong with you" :))

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A bigger name that to me seems a bit more viable is Cillian Murphy. Don't really think he has the look but my wife really fancies him and you only have to go on twitter when Peaky Blinders is on to know that other women feel the same, so he must have something about him on that end. And he's a really good actor. Connery levels of cool in Peaky Blinders.

Probably too old and maybe too famous but I think if you look at the sort of stuff he's done he's a more realistic choice than someone like Cavill. It'll probably be someone none of us had thought of anyway but I think if we do want to try and actually predict the next Bond we're better off looking at the casts of indie dramas, highly regarded TV stuff, theatre stuff, than the cast of Mission Impossible.

O Connell, Norton, Turner, even Jamie Bell. They've all been slated by different members but those are the sort of names that genuinely have a shot imo. Wishing for Cavill is as pointless as wishing for Connery to wake up tomorrow suddenly looking like he did in DN and come out of retirement. Not gonna happen.

No offense but majority of women on twitter like pattison as well and not because of his acting skills but solely based on looks. They still think that he is perfect for Batman and i laugh whenever i hear that. Murphy is phenomenal actor just not a good choice for bond. He kind of reminds of Wishaw's Q as well sometimes.

This and this. He looks quite effeminate to me as well. Cillian with a wig, yesh pleashe.
Edit: he sure is a pretty lass *lol* What has been seen... Say what you will about Cavill, he'd sure make for an unattractive lady :D

For me Murphy lacks the alpha male attributes. The way he walked, his voice says it all and don't get me started on his face. If Women find him sexy, good for them but that doesn't mean he is fit to be bond. I saw him in peaky blinders which I liked very much but never ever thought that this guy can be bond, still don't.

Murphy, pattison, Cavill or any other simply lacks the charisma. I liked other roles they played but not strong enough to impress me, surely critics may like them but never cared about critics . To be honest i am not really thrilled about pattison playing batman, he is nowhere near craig or bale acting skills. What Craig lacked in looks he makeup from his acting but pattison have neither for bond, for me he is just another Hollywood pretty boy who can get women excited. I can tell you mostly women are the one's defending him for his take on batman. Yes he will be better than the last batman but Affleck didn't really set the bar very high.

Murphy does looks like Q and here's the two photos for better comparison.

Pattinson seems to have successfully shed his pretty boy image though. He's more of an indie darling than anything else now. Not a big Batman fan but I think he'll be good. I doubt it's just women defending him. I'd heard how good he was in stuff long before he was Batman so it makes sense that people are giving him the benefit of the doubt. He isn't just the guy from Twilight anymore.

And you said he reminds you of Wishaw's Q, not that he looked like him (in a role where he's made up to look sort of geeky). I could find stills where he looks nothing like that. Swings and roundabouts. He's certainly nothing like him as an actor, and whether he's Bond material or not, I don't get how you could actually watch him in Peaky Blinders and think he doesn't have an alpha male quality or charisma (he pretty much carries that whole show). But there you go, subjective I suppose. Still think he'd be good personally, but probably is too old now anyway.

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I think Campbell has admitted that he was thinking along the ‘Pierce Brosnan’ lines when casting CR. Remember in 2005, casting someone like Daniel Craig was a very iconoclastic move. Now we are used to him, but then it was a big sea change.

Cavill is very wooden – it also doesn’t help that he’s been lumped with playing stoic heroes. He can’t really pull off the ‘mean and moody’ vibe as it just comes across as meagre and pouty. He’s a bit of an empty vessel and can’t do haunted and angst-ridden. It just draws attention to how bland he is……..

Though, I did see him in Man from UNCLE and recall him injecting some personality into that film…..though his performance in these clips is a little shaky. But boy, doesn’t he just look like James Bond…….





But I think Superman still rules him out. There are pretty much four/five hugely iconic roles in film history that get recast openly. Both Superman and James Bond are on that very short list. You can’t play two of them - especially in franchise films where you are the 'face of the campaign.' From a marketing perspective it's a nightmare and these are $200 million business enterprises.

Plus, Cavill is a tad boring and obvious for my liking…….I think you need someone edgy and interesting. I feel that person is still Jack O’Connell. He has something slightly provocative about him. He kinda reminds me of a cross between Sean Connery and Tom Hardy.

He looks so much better without that crap goatee. Proper Bond material there, have always said he'd be good when he was older and he's really starting to look the part now as well as having the acting chops.

Short or not he's by far the most likely choice so far imo. This is just a personal hunch mind and EON will probably surprise us like they did with Craig, but I dunno. I think he's the sort of actor Barbara will want. If the bookies have odds on him when the race heats up I might stick some money on it.

@MajorDSmythe To be honest I wasn't keen on the reboot/origin story idea either. The two kills bit in the novel was a flashback to who knows how many missions earlier and I think Bond letting his guard down for Vesper could have easily been portrayed as him "going soft" (the bit where he stares in the mirror after killing Obanno really reminded me of the bit in GF at the airport after he's killed the Mexican) and thinking he'd found another chance at happiness after Tracey. But I do think that angle worked fine with Craig, I don't think he was too old for it for the reasons I mentioned.

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As has been pointed out, actors often look younger at a given age than actors of a comparable age did in the past. Between 35 and 40 seems like a good age to begin. If a film were to be released every 3 years, which is a very reasonable time table, a 40 year old actor could do 5 films in 12 years 40, 43, 46,49,52. Perfect.

I don’t agree with the 40 something Bond. 49, 52 are too old. This happened as Cubby got old and kept Old Roger in the part. Bond should be in his prime and 40s ain’t prime. No one gives a s@*$ (excuse me) about people in their 40s for a reason. It’s past prime.

Men want to be Bond and women want to be with him... that should be someone young, vibrant, with sex appeal... not lost a step, on viagra and looking distinguished. I agree some guys and people generally look younger, mostly from not smoking, but the aim should be to get a few movies in before the actor gets into their 40s and only a couple in early 40s. I mean look at how they’ve played Craig as lost a step and out of touch with the times...that’s lame. Bond should be one step ahead of everyone (like in CR)... and middle aged doesn’t fit that.

The lost a step thing, I get why that's grating, but out of touch is pretty much the only way you can do modern Bond anymore imo. The character is a dinasour at this point in so many ways and it'd be silly for the films not to acknowledge that. What matters is he keeps winning and proving he's still relevant in the end.

I actually think they could go further with it. Make him a proper old school, "did he really just say that" Gene Hunt type anti-hero, play up his more undesirable traits like his sexism for comedy's sake, let him start smoking again, etc.

All right let's break it down slowly.
"Pattinson seems to have successfully shed his pretty boy image though"
Give one film where he has successfully did that. He is average at best in every single role he played not just twilight.

"Not a big Batman fan but I think he'll be good"
You aren't a Batman fan but i am that's why I know he isn't fit to play. He is a bit pale for my taste and since he started bulking, he looks like tall dwarf to me. His face is trying desperately to fit in a grown man's body. To be very honest most won't admit but they are just trying to please women with this just like making 007 a woman, It's not a coincidence that all of this happening in 2020. What's next Kristen Stewart for Catwoman?

"I doubt it's just women defending him"
I said mostly women defending him not just women. Has any women gave you any reason why he should be bond or batman besides how sexy he looks? They won't admit because they are still living in their twilight bubble and their biased views. Not many hated twilight in the beginning, the hatred start afterwards when it became popular.

"you said he reminds you of Wishaw's Q, not that he looked like him (in a role where he's made up to look sort of geeky). I could find stills where he looks nothing like that"
You are welcome to post those stills and compare him with Connery if you would like, still not convinced that what exactly about him that you think he should have been bond. Bond isn't just about smoking or drinking but I said he kind of reminds me of Q and I even posted two photos for better comparison, yes i agree that he has played different characters as well doesn't mean he has what it takes to be bond. The reason you mentioned the first time is because you think women finds him hot without giving any benefit of doubt why or what possible reason but how many women actually watch James bond films or know much about the character may I ask,not many sadly.

"He's certainly nothing like him as an actor, and whether he's Bond material or not"
Whishaw won golden globe last year in case you care about what critics or award says and not for playing a feminine character.

"I don't get how you could actually watch him in Peaky Blinders and think he doesn't have an alpha male quality or charisma (he pretty much carries that whole show)"

Smoking and drinking doesn't make you an alpha, for me it's the act and how someone walks and carries himself, his voice should be something that command respect. An alpha doesn't need to pretend or shout out that he is one. As I said he is a phenomenal actor just not for bond and about carrying the show peaky blinders, i and many others i know started watching that show because of tom Hardy not Murphy but as started watching the show I liked him more than Hardy and watched him and pattison in a lot of films not just the one's they are known for. I don't dismiss someone solely based on one film or the series.

You're in the minority on Pattinson mate. There's a very real chance of him having an Oscar soon and he's won some very good reviews. If you're not a fan fair enough but I think you've got to accept he has something about him even if you don't see it. Why not just wait and see? People said Ledger would be a crap Joker and DC would be a crap Bond. The idea that they've cast him "just to please women" is ridiculous sorry. He's a highly respected actor whether you personally rate him or not.

I mentioned women finding him hot to justify what I thought was a more unconventional look, because at the end of the day, a women's or gay man's opinion on sex appeal matters more than mine. It isn't all they care about though and you don't make a billion dollars without appealing to women too. This site or big fans in general are definitely more male dominated but we don't matter. The masses are what matters. A lot of those masses are women. So I think your dismissal of womens opinions (on looks as well, which surely the part where they're most relevant for Bond, the man who "men want to be, women want to be with") because "women don't know/care about Bond" to be a little shortsighted. They're not making the films for a bunch of male Bond fans on sites like this. They're making the films for a big diverse movie going public. At the end of the day lots of women find Cillian Murphy attractive and when it comes to Bond's sex appeal, female opinion matters more than ours, just as male opinion matters more for the sex appeal of the Bond girls.

We could go round in circles about this all day because you clearly don't see what I see but he doesn't just shout in Peaky Blinders. His most commanding scenes are when he's way more restrained and subdued. I mentioned smoking and drinking to make a point that he hasn't just played effeminate characters. But those are minor gimmicks, you're right that what matters is how he carries and projects himself, and he does that very well. Effortless Connery levels of cool. You're not going to convince me otherwise because I know what I saw in him so as I said before, it's subjective, we're going to have to agree to disagree. He's nothing like Wishaw as an actor. He's shown he's much more versatile in how he's capable of much more masculine roles. Didn't Wishaw win a Golden Globe for A Very English Scandal? Where he played a poncey gay character? They're both good actors but they're not similar at all once you actually see them in action and posting a picture of him with glasses from Batman next to one of Wishaw as Q and saying "see! The same!" won't change that.

And Hardy is great in Peaky Blinders but he's barely in it. It's Murphy that's in every episode and keeps the whole thing going despite it being very style over substance. That's what I meant by carries the show and that ability to carry a show/film is something a Bond actor needs to have imo.

"You're in the minority on Pattinson mate"
Fair enough but if you looked through previous pages you will see i am not alone buddy. All the award in the world won't convince me but you still haven't said what scene exactly you came across that made you think - this guy would be a great bond. Do you believe the credibility of an actor only lies on how many awards he/she wins. Him winning an Oscar has nothing to do with your basic argument for playing bond, eon choose artists for the last two bond film's who have won Oscar or had potential to do so(waltz/Smith etc.), how would you say that turned out for us minor fans?

"I think you've got to accept he has something about him even if you don't see it"
If i haven't seen any potential in him how can I accept that.

"People said that DC would be a crap bond"
Well I don't know about crap but I like his two films(CR & SF), still he is not my favorite bond. A lot of people still aren't happy with his films here as well. I can tell you one thing though next bond actor won't be anything like DC because another unique face or origin bond is less likely to work in the coming decade as it would be repeating the same thing all over again but it won't be on a lighter tone like Roger or pierce films either. I have got a good feeling that it would be something akin to Timonthy's TLD. That's why someone like Turner has a better chance than others.

"This site or big fans in general are definitely more male dominated but we don't matter. The masses are what matters. A lot of those masses are women".
When you say we(men)don't matter is clear indication of what I was trying to convey in my first comment to you. The masses are surely women no doubt about that but those masses also want to see female bond(Jane bond) one day, if that day ever comes (god forbid) i would gladly be in the minority to dismiss that.

"So I think your dismissal of womens opinions"
I didn't dismiss all of them, only the one's who judge an actor solely based on the looks and i can tell you they are not in the minority. Only a few of them gave proper reasons why Pattison is so great.

"the part where they're most relevant for Bond, the man who - men want to be, women want to be with"
I can perfectly understand women want to be with but how many men want to be like Pattison or Murphy as of now i am only hearing you say this.

"When it comes to Bond's sex appeal, female opinion matters more than ours, just as male opinion matters more for the sex appeal of the Bond girls"
If male opinions matters then how come we don't have traditional bond girls anymore, what we see today are mostly pretentious one's pretending to be strong. It's funny that men's opinion doesn't matter on bond girls anymore. We don't have a single actress in NTTD who isn't holding a gun(Lea doesn't count ). I don't see feminine bond girls like Solitaire,Domino,kara etc.. mostly arrogant and abnoxious one's. Do you see many men find Lynch's character sexy (nothing against her of course but I don't see the appeal).

"You're not going to convince me otherwise because I know what I saw in him so as I said before, it's subjective, we're going to have to agree to disagree"
Yes let's just agree to disagree here as we haven't discuss a single Scene where i could see the appeal. I like Murphy to be very honest but far from Connery. There isn't a single actor in our time that i could think would be close to the effortless acting,sophistication and looks to match Connery and this is coming from a guy who grew up watching Craig's bond not Connery.

Didn't Cubby ask his wife about Connery before casting him because he wasn't sure? And she basically said "phwooar"!
The appeal of the lead actor to the female audience has always been a key factor in the casting consideration. Babs got it just right with DC as CR proved.

Yes I am aware of that and nothing wrong in it but was that the only reason they selected Connery? There are many factors at play.
I didn't completely disagree with that. I don't know if you know this or not but pierce is quite popular in ladies than Daniel.

My whole point was if women's opinion on men's appeal matters then why we stop taking or considering men's opinion about bond girl's sexual appeal. The latest one is Lynch, do you really think men actually find her attractive. Here's our leading characters from Craig Era. Make it what you will.

Well, I must say they've painted themselves into a corner by starting with Eva Green (and Caterina Murino). I mean, where do you go after that? ;)

After that you will always have her

JeremyBondon

I envision for Norton the role of Bill Weston as the butler in TLD. Bond... Not so much.

Torgeirtrap

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My whole point was if women's opinion on men's appeal matters then why we stop taking or considering men's opinion about bond girl's sexual appeal. The latest one is Lynch, do you really think men actually find her attractive. Here's our leading characters from Craig Era. Make it what you will.

I certainly don't mind her looks (better with longer hair though – as seen in the Jamaica part of the trailer). But I also don't think Nomi will be a Bond girl type role, but rather a 00 who happens to be female.

I get that but I was actually talking about leading actress be more sexually appealing to mass audience as much bond matters to other gender. As I said before why do they need to have every single female character in action. Why we don't have solitaire,Kara in our time.
Vesper is the only one they got right and forgive me but any actress apart from Villian or M should be consider a bond girl even a 00.

I suspect the leading actress in NTTD will (again) be Léa Seydoux, so whether a different character is less appealing to some, I really don't care about. I do wish we get a Solitaire/Kara etc type of main Bond girl again (I like the type of characters who unwillingly becomes a part of a villain's plot), but as far as any actress beside the villain, M or Moneypenny having to fill the role of a Bond girl, I disagree with.

No issues. Just like Women want their male 007 to be physically appealing I also want my female 007 to be physically appealing,as of now I am disappointed. Although I am still in doubt if she is actually 007. We have yet to see that.

Likewise, no problem. And I agree, we don't have it confirmed yet that she is 007 (but I imagine she is), so that's why I wrote 00, not 007. ;-)

As far as attractiveness goes, that's obviously an individual matter; I know women who don't think Craig has the right look for Bond for example.

Every women except one or two whom I know or talked to only find pierce attractive.
Funny thing my gf love Daniel. Sometimes I have to say this to her.
" what the hell is wrong with you" :))

Funny enough, Pierce has been a favourite of the same women I referred to. Pierce no doubt left his mark on the role, no matter what some may suggest. He probably had that sort of looks that could easily be accepted or recognised as Bond.

Haha, keep doing that! :))

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I envision for Norton the role of Bill Weston as the butler in TLD. Bond... Not so much.

Exactly.

Univex

I know, I know, Olga, Bérénice and Monica! :-D We've been blessed in the Craig era, haven't we?

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I know, I know, Olga, Bérénice and Monica! :-D We've been blessed in the Craig era, haven't we?

And hopefully we will be in the next era as well!