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The balloon scene is definitely a Fleming moment for me. Showing internal, barely concealed anger at times reminded me of the Fleming Bond, not the screen Bond.
I felt in TLD he was still finding his way, and the script had hangover moments that would have fitted Moore better `amazing this modern safety glass', yet the film is littered with Fleming traits too, but LTK is where Dalton came into his own.
To me, that film is the closest we have seen of Fleming Bond on screen.
Given that the actors mentioned here almost all have beards or stubble, and often also have long hair, any of them if cast would need serious trimming. Bond is not a hipster.
Exactly, very well said, @bondsum.
His portrayal yes but the accompanying film never matched it, like I said it is wildly all over the place.
LTK is one of the most jarring messes of the series due to it not committing to its tone. I personally find that QOS is a much more successful version of this revenge type Bond gone rogue idea.
LTK has its moments and Dalton shines but you kind of wish they'd have fitted his portrayal consistently rather than still having hangovers from the Moore years.
Brosnan for all his faults got the films that matched his abilities, although GE would have been incredibly interesting with Dalton in the role.
Other than the scenes with Q, I don't find LTK an inconsistent mess at all. Those scenes were only added to give the film some much needed comedy relief, as the film was seen as too dark for the time (nowadays it would be fine, and the Q scenes could be removed entirely). LTK is in my top 5 films.
I find Dalton far stronger in the role than he was in TLD.
"James Bond, No not James Bond"
Just me I know, so I accept I must be wrong here, but it's how I see it.
Cheesy bar fight, winking fish and Felix looking well and truly over his Bride's viscous murder by the end the tone is consistent throughout is it?
I think some dead pan humour would have been enough not Q in the field with that absurd bag of tricks.
Dalton never got the entry to truly showcase his take on the character, his 2 films were more like a showcase of great moments.
Also I'll agree @NicNac as much as I like Dalton he lacks confidence as lead actor, he just doesn't own his scenes like Connery does or Craig, cinema is not his natural habitat, he has got better as time as gone on, compare that with his performance in Hot Fuzz, he seems more relaxed and at ease.
Like Craig or don't but from the moment you see him in that Dryden scene in the PTS in CR he totally looks the essence of confidence.
I'd argue only him and Connery came out the gate, even Roger never nailed his portrayal till SWLM and seemed preoccupied with not copying Connery and in a process of getting where he needed to be.
I think if Dalton had have got his third and they'd have written a script that was suitable to his take rather than insisting on sticking Mooreisms in still, clearly not his strength. If they'd have furnished him with the consistent material that showcased his Fleming heavy take on the character he most likely would have delivered his classic of the series.
We see what happens when a Bond actor with a method and version of the character that suits him is then forced to try and be something he isn't comfortable is and we only need to look back to 2015 to see the results of that.
Cheese bar fight I can live with. It isn't that bad (there are far worse moments in Bond movies), the winking fish is tagged on right at the end in a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment, again hardly detracts from the film, and Felix's final scene appears very briefly at the end of the movie just to let the audience know he survived.
None of that is enough to criticise an otherwise flawless film, IMO. And I agree with you that had Dalton done a third, he really would have grown confidently into the part.
I wouldn't call his acting overacting. Dalts his intensity along with his broader range of emotive acting makes Bond more human, and perhaps less of a cool uber charismatic man's man. I have always found him to be the most sensitive Bond, particularly his range of emotions. An acquired taste rather than it being 'wrong' or a less decent actor than the others, just different.
Per usual I highly disagree with everything @Shardlake has stated, but that's okay. Opinions vary. Agree with @jetsetwilly
https://variety.com/2020/film/features/james-bond-no-time-to-die-barbara-broccoli-michael-wilson-1203466601/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Really interesting article that briefly touches upon a time when BB thought Daniel Craig wasn't going to return. I think we'll be in for a long wait when he's done. Plus, the usual suspects will not be on the cards. Something changed with Craig's casting. Fanboy wishlist Bonds are not on Eon's radar. Expect the unexpected.
It's the small things I like with Dalton - the quick cautionary glance when Killifer punches him on the arm on first greeting him at the wedding, his sudden eruption into controlled laughter when he meets Sanchez in the casino, the way he says `I'm more a problem eliminator' with an edge of menace, the whispered `watch the birdie, you bastard', the weary sigh after the truck ordeal and setting fire to Sanchez, the way he briefly pauses and reflects on what he has been told, when asking `why me', when about to shoot the KGB sniper, and then being informed that he is the best, so continues on, satisfied by the response to the question.
All of these tiny moments showed Dalton really got under the skin of the character, and understood exactly what made the Fleming Bond tick, far more than any other actor (yes, including Craig).
I wouldn't even call OHMSS or CR near flawless, LTK you are being serious here?
OHMSS is not flawless, but I still love it - speeding up fights, silly overdubbed Hillary Bray voice, Tracey being kidnapped, etc. This stops it from being perfect.
CR is nearly perfect - Vesper suicide scene is not as dramatic enough as the way Bond discovers her in the book, regardless of all the OTT action fest Venice sinking house and underwater lift shenanigans surrounding it.
LTK is nearly perfect. Get rid of the Kamen music and stick in John Barry instead, and it would be a perfect 10/10, yes even with the Q light relief interlude, and cheesy bar fight scene.
Oh babs, don't be silly. Spare us the 'wokeness'. After SPECTRE we might as well name the next one or the one after that WOKE.
I believe that she’s being politely diplomatic.
I agree. I'm thinking maybe even a decade or more wait for the next film.
Very different producers, Barbara and Cubby.
I think Cubby probably would have the release date for the next film already set and be contemplating replacement actors.
Although I'd like him purple.
Come to think of it, he was green in CR, (seeing) red in QOS, black and blue for most of SF, and a bit yellow in SP. So, we've covered many colours already.
Hahaha!!! 😂😂😂
Arise Sir Idris.
He's 47 but looks great. Let him do like 2 films at the very least.
Loved him in Cats btw (kidding, of course).
Me too. I'd really love to see that.
Seriously Elba has already gone on record saying he doesn't want the role anymore.
This. It's preposterous, just to pander to audiences who don't even care and, in general, prefer Bond to be white, which he in fact is. Just stop, all of you with your absurd agendas.
Yeah actually I see the same they want him white
This is the dumbest thing ever.
And I hate how people will rationalize it
"Well I mean..other characters changed colour" (something that shouldn't have happened at all)
or
"Well..Bond should be British, and there are black and indian Brits"
or
"Well, the characters in the books are changing apperance (Blofeld) so..."
Why not Danny DeVito as James Bond?
I mean..non-british person was Bond befor....and he is white....and he is charismatic.....surely the people who want Idris Elba as Bond would want DeVito???
Or that
"All I care about is Bond being deadly, charismatic, suave... I want to see him having sex with women, drinking alcohol and killing people!!! I don't care about other things!"
Peter Dinklage in the role of Tyrion Lannister. Literally every single thing that's mentioned.
And yet... people don't mention him as a potential Bond?
I hate that there's going to be a Bond that doesn't look like Bond and that we'll have to accept it.
Maybe that won't be the next Bond but eventually..that will happen cause people are more afraid that someone would call them racist/whatever than being right.