Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • Posts: 6,709
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I think until EON says they’re not considering anyone of colour, the debate will keep coming up and rightly so. I’m all for a James Bond who perfectly represents the character as written, but I’m also one of the ones open to a black Bond if EON wanted, and I don’t think one is worthy of discussion more than the other - seeing as EON could literally do anything.

    Either way, again, I’ll say that I think Callum Turner could easily represent both classic and modern James Bond. I also think he can easily grow into what you were hinting @Univex :)
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    Let's see, my friend. For now, he still looks like a young prince Charles to me.
    I mean, get his picture next to Gandy's. We need a guy that can ooze style and menace at the same time.

    ;)
  • DrClatterhandDrClatterhand United Kingdom
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    Sope Dirisu would be a fantastic choice. He possesses all the qualities that make a great Bond. He's also another leftfield option, much like Craig. I kind of like the fact he'd piss off very the staid, stick-in-the-mud, Bond-by-numbers crowd too. Something happened with Bond from Casino Royale onwards, and EoN won't go back to unimaginative, safe films shepherded by hack directors. Imagine Sope Dirisu directed by Denis Villeneuve or Chris Nolan.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Sope Dirisu would be a fantastic choice. He possesses all the qualities that make a great Bond. He's also another leftfield option, much like Craig. I kind of like the fact he'd piss off very the staid, stick-in-the-mud, Bond-by-numbers crowd too. Something happened with Bond from Casino Royale onwards, and EoN won't go back to unimaginative, safe films shepherded by hack directors. Imagine Sope Dirisu directed by Denis Villeneuve or Chris Nolan.

    Agree with everything here. @Univex I definitely agree with you on your Callum vs. Gandy points.
  • edited June 2020 Posts: 6,709
    EoN won't go back to unimaginative, safe films shepherded by hack directors.

    Oh, so that was what they were.
    Imagine Sope Dirisu directed by Denis Villeneuve or Chris Nolan.

    I love Denis Villeneuve. I love Chris Nolan. I want them to direct Bond films. That being said, I wouldn't watch that movie. Sope Dirisu is not Ian Fleming's James Bond. You see, Sope Dirisu is black, and it would be wrong, not to mention racist to change the race of a white literary fictional character. I wouldn't do it to a black fictional literary character. I wouldn't do it to an asian fictional literary character. So I wouldn't do it to a caucasian one. Why people think race washing is ok sometimes is beyond me.

    It is race washing. You know why? Because if there was a black fictional character that was portrayed for ages in cinema, and they changed it to a white actor, I'd love to see the comments on that. If an asian famous anime character was suddenly changed in cinema to be white (it has been done, wrongfully done), it would be white washing. The same goes for Bond. A black Bond would be race washing. And so, racist.

    It's only logic, damn it.

    The reason I can't get off this thread and argument is simple. I can't, for the life of me, understand the logic-blind thinking that goes around here, and the circular obsessive compulsory discussion about a different race James Bond. I simply can't. And you know what? Yeah, I'll stick around. I'll make my point from time to time. Why not? Am I an idiot because I think that repeating logic will make logic-blind people see it? Well...maybe :D
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    You think it would be racist towards white people?
  • edited June 2020 Posts: 6,709
    You think it would be racist towards white people?

    Hell, why not? It sure would fit the double standard logic, wouldn't it? Try seeing it the other way around.

    But for me that isn't really the main deal. I like to stay close, very close to the source. That would be throwing the source into the sea, hook, line and sinker.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Univex wrote: »
    You think it would be racist towards white people?

    Hell, why not? It sure would fit the double standard logic, wouldn't it? Try seeing it the other way around.

    But for me that isn't really the main deal. I like to stay close, very close to the source. That would be throwing the source into the sea, hook, line and sinker.

    I don't think I would call it racist, that label is used far too broadly; I would call it the cultural appropriation of an established, iconic character.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Univex wrote: »
    You think it would be racist towards white people?

    Hell, why not? It sure would fit the double standard logic, wouldn't it? Try seeing it the other way around.

    But for me that isn't really the main deal. I like to stay close, very close to the source. That would be throwing the source into the sea, hook, line and sinker.

    It's interesting that the colour of his skin is the tipping point for you, considering how far from the literary source the franchise has already deviated.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited June 2020 Posts: 5,970
    I see what you’re saying @Univex, but if I’m being honest put any picture of any man or any former Bond next to Gandy, and it’s pretty difficult to compare haha :) Even Aidan Turner would lose ;)

    ...but I can agree he looks too young atm. Definitely potential, and imo already has the acting chops, which has earnt him a nomination from BAFTA, maybe even a win :)
  • Posts: 6,709
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I see what you’re saying @Univex, but if I’m being honest put any picture of any man or any former Bond next to Gandy, and it’s pretty difficult to compare haha :) Even Aidan Turner would lose ;)

    Only Luke Evans could pull it off, I think.
    Denbigh wrote: »
    ...but I can agree he looks too young atm. Definitely potential, and imo already has the acting chops, which has earnt him a nomination from BAFTA, maybe even a win :)

    I see the potential. So, l say let Time do its thing.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited June 2020 Posts: 5,970
    Univex wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I see what you’re saying @Univex, but if I’m being honest put any picture of any man or any former Bond next to Gandy, and it’s pretty difficult to compare haha :) Even Aidan Turner would lose ;)

    Only Luke Evans could pull it off, I think.

    They should both be cast as good looking versions of The Spang Brothers haha :D
    Univex wrote: »
    I see the potential. So, l say let Time do its thing.
    And definitely, one day people will get their wish and someone with the surname Turner will play James Bond haha :)
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited June 2020 Posts: 4,043
    This video arrive at perfect time.

    Am I the only one that finds this Dyson fella so irritating, it is like nails down a blackboard listening to his voice.

    The problem with the internet as it allows anyone to do this kind of thing even if they have that factor to appear on screen or even someone who actually as any clue what they are talking about.

    Which this twit most certainly doesn't. I mean it is like listening to someone down the pub explaining a film and getting it totally wrong.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 2020 Posts: 16,394
    I've only seen clips of Dirisu as I can't get Gangs of London, but he looks the right sort of thing to me and has done more roles in the right kind of line (and seems to have done them very well from the clips I've seen) than most of the other names put forward. He's got a great, flinty look. I could see him working.

    Univex wrote: »
    It is race washing. You know why? Because if there was a black fictional character that was portrayed for ages in cinema, and they changed it to a white actor, I'd love to see the comments on that.

    That's not really how it works: one isn't equal to the other. Maybe one day hopefully, but not now.
    It'd be lovely if we lived in that perfectly, coldly logical world you describe, but we live in the real one.
    Univex wrote: »
    And so, racist.

    Haha! Yeah okay
    ;;)
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited June 2020 Posts: 5,970
    mtm wrote: »
    I've only seen clips of Dirisu as I can't get Gangs of London, but he looks the right sort of thing to me and has done more roles in the right kind of line than most of the other names put forward. He's got a great, flinty look. I could see him working.
    I always thought this shot was pretty cool... although it’s crazy because I would never have thought he was 29. He looks a lot older.

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    Also for all those Richard Madden fans, this was posted by Greg yesterday...

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    I see what you’re saying @Univex, but if I’m being honest put any picture of any man or any former Bond next to Gandy, and it’s pretty difficult to compare haha :) Even Aidan Turner would lose ;)

    Gandy would probably be good reference for someone drawing a comic book Bond, but I can't look at photos of him without thinking of Zoolander :D
    I'm sure he's a nice guy though.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited June 2020 Posts: 7,550
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I see what you’re saying @Univex, but if I’m being honest put any picture of any man or any former Bond next to Gandy, and it’s pretty difficult to compare haha :) Even Aidan Turner would lose ;)

    Gandy would probably be good reference for someone drawing a comic book Bond, but I can't look at photos of him without thinking of Zoolander :D
    I'm sure he's a nice guy though.

    EDIT: All sorted
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Apologies for not seeing your posts Nick: all sorted now.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    mtm wrote: »
    Apologies for not seeing your posts Nick: all sorted now.

    Thanks again!
  • Posts: 727
    Goddamn, Soap is so perfect. Eon would be fools not to cast him as Jay Bee.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 2020 Posts: 16,394
    I only just caught the Armani ad starring Nicholas Hoult on the telly, and although it's the usual load of perfume ad nonsense, I thought it was vaguely interesting in terms of him being the dashing leading man type in it. And don't forget that posing is a pretty important part of being Bond! :)
    He gets to wear a black suit, drive a classic sportscar and kiss a girl :)



    He's a very good actor and a film star, and that helps me to see how he could work for Bond.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    You know......I can kind of, sort of see that. I certainly wouldn't be against him when the time comes.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    You know......I can kind of, sort of see that. I certainly wouldn't be against him when the time comes.

    Yeah I'm not 100% sure myself, but I don't think there are any Brosnan/Dalton types out there who just 'look' like Bond and have the required experience, so I think the next one is going to be one we'll have to slightly adjust our mindset to no matter who it is.
    With his experience and the sort of thing he's doing in that ad, I'd be amazed if Hoult isn't on their list. Unless he doesn't want to be of course.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    A new name worth mentioning imo. I was watching survivor recently starring Milla Jovovich and Pierce Brosnan and thought James D'Arcy would have been worth auditioning for bond. He looks a bit like Ralph fiennes though.
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  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Hoult has never really resonated with me, don’t know why, and I think D’Arcy might be too old. He’s 44 now. I also think D’Arcy is too Cumberbatch-lite.
  • Posts: 6,709
    I like Hoult. He’s brilliant in The Great.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 2020 Posts: 16,394
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Hoult has never really resonated with me, don’t know why,

    Yeah like I say, I don't really see him as Bond, but that's why he sort of interests me if you know what I mean! I like to be a bit challenged: and I'd much rather a successful actor than someone who just has 'the look'. But then that's probably why you like C Turner!
    I also rather like the idea of a Bond who's done a bit of comedy.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited June 2020 Posts: 2,541
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Hoult has never really resonated with me, don’t know why, and I think D’Arcy might be too old. He’s 44 now. I also think D’Arcy is too Cumberbatch-lite.

    He looks more like Fiennes than Cumberbatch. Although i would agree that he is too old now sadly.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited June 2020 Posts: 5,970
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Hoult has never really resonated with me, don’t know why,
    Yeah like I say, I don't really see him as Bond, but that's why he sort of interests me if you know what I mean! I like to be a bit challenged: and I'd much rather a successful actor than someone who just has 'the look'. But then that's probably why you like C Turner! I also rather like the idea of a Bond who's done a bit of comedy.
    He definitely has more of a chance now he’s not going to be in Mission Impossible.

    Although if they’re gonna cast anyone from the Skins series, I’d still go for Sean Teale. While younger he just seems more like James Bond than Hoult :)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    He's got a good look, but I'd take the more experienced actor every time.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    mtm wrote: »
    He's got a good look, but I'd take the more experienced actor every time.
    Yeah, Hoult definitely has that edge.
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