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  • smittysmitty
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    I would be stunned if they chose Cavill. He totally looks the part of Bond, but I've seen him interviewed twice and he is a total block of wood. Absolutely no personality, and he came off like a male model. Also, a talented actor he ain't. I can't fathom that EON will go for a Bond whose one big virtue is simply that he looks like what people think Bond should look like while ignoring talent and smarts. BOnd requires a ton of promo interviews. The actor needs to be intelligent. Craig may have a potty mouth, and he hates the promo end of the gig, but he usually handles the promo end of the deal competently. There is a there there between the eyes, not to mention Craig's major influence in selecting directors, co-stars and collaborating on scripts. I just can't see EON going back to a pretty Bond without any demonstrable brains or talent.
  • RC7RC7
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    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks Tom Hardy is too rough for Bond? I would have no objections to him being cast in a Bond film, just not for Bond.

    No. I do not get the Hardy as Bond thing. Goes right over my head.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    No one is really standing out right now. Cavill is ugh no no no....

    Hardy generates a lot of screen presence but I get why some say no... He can act though ..something most of the others mentioned in passing can't.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    smitty wrote: »
    I would be stunned if they chose Cavill. He totally looks the part of Bond, but I've seen him interviewed twice and he is a total block of wood. Absolutely no personality, and he came off like a male model. Also, a talented actor he ain't. I can't fathom that EON will go for a Bond whose one big virtue is simply that he looks like what people think Bond should look like while ignoring talent and smarts. BOnd requires a ton of promo interviews. The actor needs to be intelligent. Craig may have a potty mouth, and he hates the promo end of the gig, but he usually handles the promo end of the deal competently. There is a there there between the eyes, not to mention Craig's major influence in selecting directors, co-stars and collaborating on scripts. I just can't see EON going back to a pretty Bond without any demonstrable brains or talent.

    What we must not forget with actors like Henry Cavill is their age.
    Today they don't seem right for the role, but what about in 2020?
    Best example really is Daniel Craig. Watch Tomb Raider or better one of his late 90's movies. No one in the world would have guessed in their wildest dreams that he could one day become Bond.
  • smittysmitty
    edited August 2015 Posts: 725
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    smitty wrote: »
    I would be stunned if they chose Cavill. He totally looks the part of Bond, but I've seen him interviewed twice and he is a total block of wood. Absolutely no personality, and he came off like a male model. Also, a talented actor he ain't. I can't fathom that EON will go for a Bond whose one big virtue is simply that he looks like what people think Bond should look like while ignoring talent and smarts. BOnd requires a ton of promo interviews. The actor needs to be intelligent. Craig may have a potty mouth, and he hates the promo end of the gig, but he usually handles the promo end of the deal competently. There is a there there between the eyes, not to mention Craig's major influence in selecting directors, co-stars and collaborating on scripts. I just can't see EON going back to a pretty Bond without any demonstrable brains or talent.

    What we must not forget with actors like Henry Cavill is their age.
    Today they don't seem right for the role, but what about in 2020?
    Best example really is Daniel Craig. Watch Tomb Raider or better one of his late 90's movies. No one in the world would have guessed in their wildest dreams that he could one day become Bond.

    I don't think they compare at all. Craig applied repeatedly, got accepted and graduated from the Guildhall School for Music and Drama. Cahill had no interest in a higher education. Craig from a young age worked on stage with the National Youth Theatre and has had extensive stage experience as an adult. He is still ignoring film opportunities to do Broadway. Cahill has never done any stage work. Craig is a serious actor who regretfully does not get to show his range and acting skill as Bond. Over the years, he has succeeded on his talent, not his looks which aren't great. Cahill has succeeded on his looks, not his middling talent. He is not the serious actor Craig is, and likely never will be. Surely EON can find an actor who is both good looking and a talented actor.
  • dinovelvetdinovelvet
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    smitty wrote: »

    I don't think they compare at all. Craig applied repeatedly, got accepted and graduated from the Guildhall School for Music and Drama. Cahill had no interest in a higher education. Craig from a young age worked on stage with the National Youth Theatre and has had extensive stage experience as an adult. He is still ignoring film opportunities to do Broadway. Cahill has never done any stage work. Craig is a serious actor who regretfully does not get to show his range and acting skill as Bond. Over the years, he has succeeded on his talent, not his looks which aren't great. Cahill has succeeded on his looks, not his middling talent. He is not the serious actor Craig is, and likely never will be. Surely EON can find an actor who is both good looking and a talented actor.

    Very good points. On a superficial level, Cavill would tick all the right boxes, but after Superman and UNCLE, there'd be a "been there, done that" feel about him; nothing in the way of mystery or "What will he bring to the role of Bond?". He'll say all the lines and not bump into furniture, but I can't see him generating any heat in the same way that people reacted to seeing DC in Casino Royale
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @smitty

    I agree on most.
    Daniel Craig was cast as the "dumb pretty love-interest" in Tomb Raider though.
  • TuuliaTuulia
    edited August 2015 Posts: 2,081
    smitty wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    smitty wrote: »
    I would be stunned if they chose Cavill. He totally looks the part of Bond, but I've seen him interviewed twice and he is a total block of wood. Absolutely no personality, and he came off like a male model. Also, a talented actor he ain't. I can't fathom that EON will go for a Bond whose one big virtue is simply that he looks like what people think Bond should look like while ignoring talent and smarts. BOnd requires a ton of promo interviews. The actor needs to be intelligent. Craig may have a potty mouth, and he hates the promo end of the gig, but he usually handles the promo end of the deal competently. There is a there there between the eyes, not to mention Craig's major influence in selecting directors, co-stars and collaborating on scripts. I just can't see EON going back to a pretty Bond without any demonstrable brains or talent.

    What we must not forget with actors like Henry Cavill is their age.
    Today they don't seem right for the role, but what about in 2020?
    Best example really is Daniel Craig. Watch Tomb Raider or better one of his late 90's movies. No one in the world would have guessed in their wildest dreams that he could one day become Bond.

    I don't think they compare at all. Craig applied repeatedly, got accepted and graduated from the Guildhall School for Music and Drama. Cahill had no interest in a higher education. Craig from a young age worked on stage with the National Youth Theatre and has had extensive stage experience as an adult. He is still ignoring film opportunities to do Broadway. Cahill has never done any stage work. Craig is a serious actor who regretfully does not get to show his range and acting skill as Bond. Over the years, he has succeeded on his talent, not his looks which aren't great. Cahill has succeeded on his looks, not his middling talent. He is not the serious actor Craig is, and likely never will be. Surely EON can find an actor who is both good looking and a talented actor.
    I very much agree with you in general about Craig and Cavill. I don't think being a formally trained actor (=going to school for it), or theatre work make one a better, or a more serious actor. Both can help, but won't replace talent and different things work for different people.
    I assume you mean Cavill... personally I don't find him even remotely attractive and therefore not good-looking, either. Just bland.
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    @smitty

    I agree on most.
    Daniel Craig was cast as the "dumb pretty love-interest" in Tomb Raider though.

    :))
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    RC7 wrote: »
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks Tom Hardy is too rough for Bond? I would have no objections to him being cast in a Bond film, just not for Bond.

    No. I do not get the Hardy as Bond thing. Goes right over my head.

    I don't get the Tom Hardy for Bond thing either. But then, I'm not sold on Michael Fassbender as Bond. Just don't see it.
    I could see someone like Dan Stevens as a potential Bond. Maybe.
    Until Daniel Craig officially hangs up the shoulder holster, and legitimate candidates are put forward (via screen-tests that are confirmed), then I'll worry that the wrong actor could be our new OO7.

  • GetafixGetafix
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    Yeah, Dan Stevens seems definitely the most plausible suggestion, but it could also be a pretty much unknown.

    I think Fassbender could have been great as Bond but he will be too old.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    My vote goes for Dan Stevens.

    Fassbender should have been cast in 2006. He looked always a bit older back then and it would have made the reboot thing much more plausible.
    He is 38 years old now and could have played Bond for another 7 years.
    Just imagine that.....oh those missed opportunities!!!!
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    smitty wrote: »
    I would be stunned if they chose Cavill. He totally looks the part of Bond, but I've seen him interviewed twice and he is a total block of wood. Absolutely no personality, and he came off like a male model. Also, a talented actor he ain't. I can't fathom that EON will go for a Bond whose one big virtue is simply that he looks like what people think Bond should look like while ignoring talent and smarts. BOnd requires a ton of promo interviews. The actor needs to be intelligent. Craig may have a potty mouth, and he hates the promo end of the gig, but he usually handles the promo end of the deal competently. There is a there there between the eyes, not to mention Craig's major influence in selecting directors, co-stars and collaborating on scripts. I just can't see EON going back to a pretty Bond without any demonstrable brains or talent.

    I agree with this completely. Cavill-type casting is the same thing that happened with Brosnan; it was casting purely from the perspective of aesthetics, an idea of people's generic view of what Bond looks like. Those days are over. Blond, brown or black hair, it doesn't matter. If the actor looks good that's a bonus but he needs to have 2 things, acting credibility and sex appeal. Model looks and sex appeal aren't mutually exclusive.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Agreed. He still has to a reasonable height, British caucasian WITH HAIR though. Cavill would be a bland choice though.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    I'm looking forward to Man from Uncle. Will be interesting to see how Cavill does.
  • fanbond123fanbond123
    edited August 2015 Posts: 1,661
    I would be stunned if they chose Cavill. He totally looks the part of Bond, but I've seen him interviewed twice and he is a total block of wood. Absolutely no personality, and he came off like a male model. Also, a talented actor he ain't. I can't fathom that EON will go for a Bond whose one big virtue is simply that he looks like what people think Bond should look like while ignoring talent and smarts. BOnd requires a ton of promo interviews. The actor needs to be intelligent. Craig may have a potty mouth, and he hates the promo end of the gig, but he usually handles the promo end of the deal competently. There is a there there between the eyes, not to mention Craig's major influence in selecting directors, co-stars and collaborating on scripts. I just can't see EON going back to a pretty Bond without any demonstrable brains or talent.

    Bond is a pretty/handsome man with an edge. I think that's the distinction. Henry Cavill - whilst conventionally handsome - has a slightly boy band quality to his looks. Obviously as he gets older he'll lose some of that quality but actors like Sean Connery, Lazenby etc have an extra edge to their appearance. It's a bit subjective but I guess Connery looked like James Bond whereas Cavill looks more like Bond's younger brother. The same could be true of many actors.

    That's not to say the next Bond actor has to have the perfect look for the part - if that was the sole requisite the next Bond could be George Lazenby mark 2, a total unknown with little or no acting experience - and that could end up going all wrong! Taking this factor into account, Dan Stevens - whilst not quite as Bond alpha male masculine looking as some previous Bonds would seem a credible choice. Cavill's performance in UNCLE could convince the doubters, though. If he can pull off a convincing Solo then he's likely he'll be able to do a convincing Bond (assuming he ditched Superman, of course!).
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Cavill in UNCLE is more reminiscent of Roger Moore or better yet more like the original Solo, Robert Vaugn. He's got the good looks suavness and charm but from what I've seen so far he doesn't have that look of killer instinct. You look at Connery, Lazenby, Dalton and Craig and they look dangerous...lethal, like good mannered killers who'd kill you just as soon as they'd look at you.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    You forget Brosnan @doubleoego

    he is the most lethal of them all, and he is the one that never blinked an eye when killing his enemies.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I don't count Brosnan because to me, he didn't look like a legitimate killer. He came off more as generic action hero who did most of his killings with Ak's and other machine guns. Also, he didn't blink an eye? Go and watch Bond kill Dr.Kaufman (great scene btw) Bond very clearly blinks.
  • smittysmitty
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    Just a clarification on my posts about not wanting EON to go back to casting a pretty Bond etc etc. I in no way meant the posts as a slight to Brosnan. I've seen him interviewed many times and he is an intelligent and gracious guy who got no favors from EON in most of the scripts they gave him. I've always liked the guy and thought he served the role well. So I was in no way referring to him in my comments.
  • fanbond123fanbond123
    edited August 2015 Posts: 1,661
    I think Cavill lacks a slight smugness for the part? I don't think Daniel Craig comes over as smug in interviews but what I mean is if you look at early Brosnan interviews there is natural confidence whereas Henry Cavill is almost too reserved.

    Compare Cavill's US interview (Man From Uncle)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rksG-O3RZSY

    with Pierce Brosnan's interview during is Remington Steele era:



    Brosnan seems more naturally smooth and confident. Not that Cavill lacks confidence but I think Brossy is a bit more confident/smug than Cavill is and perhaps that's why some regard Cavill as a bit stiff or wooden. I don't think he has that extra something, perhaps.

  • GetafixGetafix
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    Speaking personally, it was Brosnan's smugness that, for me at least, meant he was not the right choice for the part.

    Anyway, Since when has smugness been a requirement for playing Bond?
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @fanbond123

    thanks for those great videos.

    Brosnan was perfect for Bond, that can be seen once more.
    He oozed Bond even when he was Remington Steele.

    For me it its evident that the successor to Craig will be more in the vein of Moore and Brosnan.

    Humour will be back in Bond as will be fun. There is more than enough evidence that Hollywood clearly goes into the fun/humorous/over the top kind of movie again with spy/action.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I sometimes find Brosnan a bit theatrical in his interviews, trying to be unecessarily deep to the simplest of questions.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    I sometimes find Brosnan a bit theatrical in his interviews, trying to be unecessarily deep to the simplest of questions.

    That is part of his charm in my opinion. His interviews are always fun to watch.

    In Remington Steele he overacted quite a lot which of course worked perfectly for that role.
    With Bond he didn't because he knew it wouldn't work.
    Brosnan is a much better actor than many think.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Brosnan comes over well in that interview. Like I always say, he's a likeable guy.

    Having said that I think Cavill comes over quite well too. May be we shouldn't rule him out too soon. EON hAs a history of going back and getting its man eventually.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Cavill comes off as relaxed and engaging but incredibly polite and humble in his interviews. That's a good thing.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Cavill comes off as relaxed and engaging but incredibly polite and humble in his interviews. That's a good thing.

    Yes I agree. It's very winning. I first saw him doing a bad job in a not very good Woody Allen movie, but he seems to be improving with age.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2015 Posts: 15,718
    If you want to understand what it means to 'own' an interview:



  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    I don't know if any of you have seen Man Of Steel but look at his acting in that one.
    The movie itself is short of a disaster but his acting skills are clearly shown in MOS.

    Having said that, I don't want to give the impression I am in favour of him being the next James Bond. I could live with him, and well.

    But my current favourite clearly is Dan Stevens and has been since quite a while.

    Maybe in a couple of years another candidate will emerge.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited August 2015 Posts: 11,139
    Well you can all rule out Hardy being the next Bond, he's staring in his own secret agent movie series

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    http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/470413-tom-hardy-vertigo-adaptation-100-bullets
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