Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I think Collins could have made a fine Bond. He had the look, and he had the physicality (he passed the SAS bar after all). But I wouldn't trade him for Dalton. But when it comes to missed opportunities for actors not cast as Bond, my top 3 are Richard Johnson, David Warbeck & James Purefoy.
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    With Man From UNCLE flopping stateside I think it will make some Bond fans doubt Mr Cavill's potential suitability for the role. From the clips I've seen, he appears to be doing a weird impression of Data from Star Trek mixed with a speak-your weight machine.

    I'd say Cavill's chances are kinda gone, zero chance now -although you never know what life brings. Hollywood can be a brutal place, the box office can determine your fate, and I think he's been found out to be a rather average or, at times, poor actor. But he's got Superman so he's still going to have future success. I reckon Dan Stevens chances have shot up now that Cavill has flopped as Solo. I think Mr Stevens may be the frontrunner for the part of Mr Bond.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Actually I found Cavill in MOS to be the only good thing. I think people underestimate him. After Bats vs Supes Cavill will suddenly appear much more attractive to producers and casting directors at studios.

    I mean did Tomb Raider hinder Craig to become Bond? Craig played the dumb blonde love-interest of Lara Croft for Heavens' sake!
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Actually I found Cavill in MOS to be the only good thing. I think people underestimate him. After Bats vs Supes Cavill will suddenly appear much more attractive to producers and casting directors at studios.

    I mean did Tomb Raider hinder Craig to become Bond? Craig played the dumb blonde love-interest of Lara Croft for Heavens' sake!

    Are you aware of Daniel Craig's full body of work prior to him being cast? Are you aware that Tomb Raider had no bearing on him getting the role of Bond? You seem to cite Tomb Raider a lot, implying that's the only Craig film you're aware of that precedes his Bond casting and even then he hardly played a dumb blonde in the movie.
    Craig is a character actor and an actor's actor, something Cavill is not. You might want to educate yourself on Craig's filmography prior to CR.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    With Man From UNCLE flopping stateside I think it will make some Bond fans doubt Mr Cavill's potential suitability for the role. From the clips I've seen, he appears to be doing a weird impression of Data from Star Trek mixed with a speak-your weight machine.

    I'd say Cavill's chances are kinda gone, zero chance now -although you never know what life brings. Hollywood can be a brutal place, the box office can determine your fate, and I think he's been found out to be a rather average or, at times, poor actor. But he's got Superman so he's still going to have future success. I reckon Dan Stevens chances have shot up now that Cavill has flopped as Solo. I think Mr Stevens may be the frontrunner for the part of Mr Bond.

    Cavill's chances of ever being Bond were completely anihalated the moment he was cast as Superman.

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    Fairly or unfairly, Cavill comes with the reputation of being a bad actor. This was before he got the role of Superman. There are reviews of his film The Cold Light of Day which lament his acting.
    Mr. Cavill’s performance is so wooden that it suggests that he might deliver Superman’s cartoon-balloon oratory with just the right tone of gee-whiz sincerity.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/08/movies/bruce-willis-stars-in-the-cold-light-of-day.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=1
    Cavill’s accent fluctuates hilariously from something approximating American to his native English, and he’s so whinily uncharismatic in the lead that I found myself longing for Ioan Griffudd.

    http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/screen/capsules/the_cold_light_of_day-169373606.html

    I don't think Daniel Craig had that reputation. I never heard of him before seeing Layer Cake but I don't recall people slagging off his acting. Fairly or unfairly, Cavill has had the bad actor tag and with UNCLE flopping it's going to be hard to shake off that tag. But all actors can flop in films. Look at Johnny Depp's recent films like The Lone Ranger. But Depp is well-established. He does have kooky range and is generally well-respected as an actor. Cavill doesn't have that reputation. If you start out with the perception you're a bit ropey you're fighting against people's prejudices. Acting can be brutal. If people don't like your acting, they can be brutally honest how they feel.

    I don't know much about Dan Stevens but I don't get the impression he is in the 'Cavill is a bit stiff/wooden' category. If he can continue his career and avoid getting negative posts about his acting he may have a good chance of becoming the next Bond.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Actually I found Cavill in MOS to be the only good thing. I think people underestimate him. After Bats vs Supes Cavill will suddenly appear much more attractive to producers and casting directors at studios.

    I mean did Tomb Raider hinder Craig to become Bond? Craig played the dumb blonde love-interest of Lara Croft for Heavens' sake!

    Are you aware of Daniel Craig's full body of work prior to him being cast? Are you aware that Tomb Raider had no bearing on him getting the role of Bond? You seem to cite Tomb Raider a lot, implying that's the only Craig film you're aware of that precedes his Bond casting and even then he hardly played a dumb blonde in the movie.
    Craig is a character actor and an actor's actor, something Cavill is not. You might want to educate yourself on Craig's filmography prior to CR.

    Yeah, sure I have seen Munich, Layer Cake, Road To Perdition and some others.

    But Tomb Raider was his best known film prior to CR, he played a leading role in it.
    So what exactly did he play then in Tomb Raider?

    Craig was cast as Bond because BB has seen him in LayerCake (so they say).
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    ^^ Craig certainly didn't play a leading role in Tomb Raider, he was barely in it.
    doubleoego wrote: »
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    With Man From UNCLE flopping stateside I think it will make some Bond fans doubt Mr Cavill's potential suitability for the role. From the clips I've seen, he appears to be doing a weird impression of Data from Star Trek mixed with a speak-your weight machine.

    I'd say Cavill's chances are kinda gone, zero chance now -although you never know what life brings. Hollywood can be a brutal place, the box office can determine your fate, and I think he's been found out to be a rather average or, at times, poor actor. But he's got Superman so he's still going to have future success. I reckon Dan Stevens chances have shot up now that Cavill has flopped as Solo. I think Mr Stevens may be the frontrunner for the part of Mr Bond.

    Cavill's chances of ever being Bond were completely anihalated the moment he was cast as Superman.

    That's what I've thought, too, and I'm surprised his name keeps popping up in these discussions at all.

  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    There is always a danger of thinking a handsome successful TV actor will make a great Bond. Lewis Collins was just that, but he would never have had the charisma to be a cinematic leading man, and therefore he would not have been a good Bond.
    Moore, Brosnan and Craig all made their names on TV (Saint, Remington Steele and Our Friends In The North) but all of them had what it took to make the transition to cinema.

    Dan Stevens to me looks like another handsome TV star who won't cut it on the big screen, despite his looks.

    As for a black actor I think Hollywood should go one better, and cast a black actor as Superman or Batman - show some real intent to re-cast an iconic American hero.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    But why? Let's show real zeal and cast Hugh Jackman as Malcom X.

    Or Denzel Washington as Osama Bin Lauden ..why?

    Because they don't look the part... if that didn't matter Woody Allen could've been Mr Hinx.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @mcdonbb, you're telling me that Woody Allen ISN'T playing Mr. Hinx in SP? Won't be seeing it, then.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Woody Allen was more right as Kristatos.
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    NicNac wrote: »

    Dan Stevens to me looks like another handsome TV star who won't cut it on the big screen, despite his looks.

    Well I don't know, I think he's already made significant progress, in supporting roles - A walk among the tombstones, Night at the museum 3, going to be in Beauty and the Beast(!) and played the lead in The Guest. Have you seen that one, NicNac? It's a blatant calling card for his candidacy as Bond. And here he is answering the Bond question! He doesn't really say anything specific, but go to 3:17 if you want to see it anyway.





  • SarkSark Guangdong, PRC
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    But why? Let's show real zeal and cast Hugh Jackman as Malcom X.

    Or Denzel Washington as Osama Bin Lauden ..why?

    You're aware that OBL and Malcolm X were real people with a real race, while James Bond is fictional.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    I am really enjoying the TV show The Following. The bad guy in it Joe Carroll is played by British actor James Purefoy. The minute I saw him and heard his British accent I thought wow this guy would have been Bond material. But he is as old as Dan. However on researching I found out he was actually screen tested and made it to interview for Casino Royale and lost out to Dan. But it reminded me of how good casting is now, although I love Dan, Purefoy would have been a great option also.

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  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    dinovelvet wrote: »
    NicNac wrote: »

    Dan Stevens to me looks like another handsome TV star who won't cut it on the big screen, despite his looks.

    Well I don't know, I think he's already made significant progress, in supporting roles - A walk among the tombstones, Night at the museum 3, going to be in Beauty and the Beast(!) and played the lead in The Guest. Have you seen that one, NicNac? It's a blatant calling card for his candidacy as Bond. And here he is answering the Bond question! He doesn't really say anything specific, but go to 3:17 if you want to see it anyway.





    Aha, no I wasn't aware of his progress. I will therefore reserve judgement ;-)
  • edited August 2015 Posts: 1,661
    I am really enjoying the TV show The Following. The bad guy in it Joe Carroll is played by British actor James Purefoy. The minute I saw him and heard his British accent I thought wow this guy would have been Bond material. But he is as old as Dan. However on researching I found out he was actually screen tested and made it to interview for Casino Royale and lost out to Dan. But it reminded me of how good casting is now, although I love Dan, Purefoy would have been a great option also.

    Yes, he has been mentioned in the past. I'd say he was a second-tier candidate. There were first-tier names like Cavill, Clive Owen, Hugh Jackman. I think Purefoy would have been lower down the list but one given genuine consideration. As you say, his age is against him now so I don't think he'll ever play Bond.

    Welsh actor Ioan Gruffudd - another possible candidate - might have made a decent Bond.
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    The thought of Clive Owen makes me shudder. He's so dull and has the most uninteresting voice of any actor in that list.

    Ioan Gruffud? Really? Remember seeing him in the first, equally awful Fantastic Four movie a decade ago.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @Getafix
    Ioan Gruffudd would have been a possible choice I think. Although he seems to be a bit too suave and maybe too stiff too.

    I have watched FOREVER the TV Show, once again Gruffudd owned a role and was convincing. In Ringer he played Sarah Michelle Gellar's husband and was fabulous as well.

    As for Clive Owen, back in 2005 he was the only actor I could see as Bond and I was very, very disappointed when it was reported that the deal went bust because BB didn't want to pay a percentage of the revenue additionally to the fixed amount Owen would have been paid.
    In retrospect I'm glad he didn't get the role. Everybody is complaining about Brosnan not being good as Bond but Owen really is the one that has not much of acting ability. Owen is always the same in every movie. Ironically Craig who was chosen is also always the same in every role, but at least he is convincing when looking grim and in brutal fights.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Sark wrote: »
    But why? Let's show real zeal and cast Hugh Jackman as Malcom X.

    Or Denzel Washington as Osama Bin Lauden ..why?

    You're aware that OBL and Malcolm X were real people with a real race, while James Bond is fictional.

    Really? Wow I didn't know that.


  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    Getafix wrote: »
    The thought of Clive Owen makes me shudder. He's so dull and has the most uninteresting voice of any actor in that list.

    Ioan Gruffud? Really? Remember seeing him in the first, equally awful Fantastic Four movie a decade ago.
    I'm glad they side stepped these rather slender looking actors for someone with a bit of
    muscle - the first true beefcake Bond since Connery.

    Also, Craig's CV showed such a wide range of characters. Check out Our Friends In The North (his breakthrough role on TV). An absolute acting tour de force.
    In films like The Mother, Enduring Love, Sylvia, Munich, we saw how incredibly diverse he was.
    On stage he was apparently great in Betrayal.

    Since getting Bond he has slotted into the more familiar Movie Leading Man sort of role but when he ends his Bond tenure we shall see him return to character acting.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @NicNac

    Craig did good in the mentioned movies.
    But in about everything he has starred since Layer Cake including Munich he plays always the same guy in exactly the same style. He just looks differently (sometimes).
    If there is any movie after he was cast as Bond that was different then it's Flashbacks Of A Fool which imo is his best movie to date (except Bond of course).
  • SarkSark Guangdong, PRC
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    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Sark wrote: »
    But why? Let's show real zeal and cast Hugh Jackman as Malcom X.

    Or Denzel Washington as Osama Bin Lauden ..why?

    You're aware that OBL and Malcolm X were real people with a real race, while James Bond is fictional.

    Really? Wow I didn't know that.


    Then you probably know that recasting a real person's race, isn't the same thing as a recasting a fictional character.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    How about recasting Satan as something other than white? We have seen black jesus, black God etc, but The Devil is always white. Haha, not that I care, but a bit strange...
  • SarkSark Guangdong, PRC
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    I admit to not watching many (any?) movies that featured an anthropomorphic satan. And of course, that could fall into the fictional character realm depending on one's beliefs ;)
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Sark wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Sark wrote: »
    But why? Let's show real zeal and cast Hugh Jackman as Malcom X.

    Or Denzel Washington as Osama Bin Lauden ..why?

    You're aware that OBL and Malcolm X were real people with a real race, while James Bond is fictional.

    Really? Wow I didn't know that.


    Then you probably know that recasting a real person's race, isn't the same thing as a recasting a fictional character.
    Sark wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Sark wrote: »
    But why? Let's show real zeal and cast Hugh Jackman as Malcom X.

    Or Denzel Washington as Osama Bin Lauden ..why?

    You're aware that OBL and Malcolm X were real people with a real race, while James Bond is fictional.

    Really? Wow I didn't know that.


    Then you probably know that recasting a real person's race, isn't the same thing as a recasting a fictional character.

    Really? well duh.. yes but any casting whether for a real or fictional character unless otherwise noted usually stipulates a description or a specific race or sex or whatever.

    I guess since Bond is fictional Jessica Alba can play Bond.. would add a certain slant to the sex scenes.

    No wait ..can't do that Alba is American. Sorry...





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    As for Clive Owen, back in 2005 he was the only actor I could see as Bond and I was very, very disappointed when it was reported that the deal went bust because BB didn't want to pay a percentage of the revenue additionally to the fixed amount Owen would have been paid.

    Clive Owen was not approached and didn't screen test.
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    Getafix wrote: »
    The thought of Clive Owen makes me shudder. He's so dull and has the most uninteresting voice of any actor in that list.

    Ioan Gruffud? Really? Remember seeing him in the first, equally awful Fantastic Four movie a decade ago.

    i never understood the appeal of these two as Bond. Sometimes I think that for some people, as long as you are British and have been seen wearing a tuxedo, you are considered Bond material.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    The thought of Clive Owen makes me shudder. He's so dull and has the most uninteresting voice of any actor in that list.

    Ioan Gruffud? Really? Remember seeing him in the first, equally awful Fantastic Four movie a decade ago.

    i never understood the appeal of these two as Bond. Sometimes I think that for some people, as long as you are British and have been seen wearing a tuxedo, you are considered Bond material.

    That sums up the British tabloid press's approach.

    Craig was an inspired choice. He's not my favourite Bond, but I was very happy when he was cast. I immediately knew that EON we're going to take drastic steps to move away from the Brosnan era. I cannot think of anyone who would have done a better job than Craig right now. I do Find him a bid wooden sometimes, but overall he's pretty good.

    I am open to a non British actor but only if they can do a decent accent. I can't see EON going for a non Brit again though really. The days when the big American studios might have insisted on a US lead are long gone.

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    dinovelvet wrote: »
    As for Clive Owen, back in 2005 he was the only actor I could see as Bond and I was very, very disappointed when it was reported that the deal went bust because BB didn't want to pay a percentage of the revenue additionally to the fixed amount Owen would have been paid.

    Clive Owen was not approached and didn't screen test.

    I think this is correct. There was never any accurate reporting that he was considered for the role. Neither was Huge Jackman who has touted himself as turning down the role because he was already doing Wolfman. Oh sure! Owen and Butler both claimed they were offered the role in some interviews but then walked back on their claims and said they were just joking. These guys are all just using Bond at the PR self promotion game.
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