Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2022 Posts: 16,359
    talos7 wrote: »
    How do you guys feel about Craig’s clam that he requested Bond’s death from the very beginning? I’m skeptical, and think there is a bit of ret-conning going on. I believe that had SPECTRE been a stronger film that it would have been his curtain call.

    I can kind of believe it, sure. I think it makes sense.
    I'm sure it wasn't something he was dead set on the whole time: I would imagine if they had come up with another great ending he'd have gone there instead, but it does work. I see no reason to not believe it.
    peter wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I think it's quite interesting that Craig's thinking was, in part, that the next Bond would need that reset of killing him in order to go somewhere new with it. You may disagree with that thinking but I think it's just interesting that he was considering where it would go after him.

    This doesn't sound like Craig at all!!! He's about big bucks and ego and hating James Bond and finding unique ways of flushing the character down the toilet!! In short: he's the most evil of evil men.
    peter wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I think it's quite interesting that Craig's thinking was, in part, that the next Bond would need that reset of killing him in order to go somewhere new with it. You may disagree with that thinking but I think it's just interesting that he was considering where it would go after him.

    This doesn't sound like Craig at all!!! He's about big bucks and ego and hating James Bond and finding unique ways of flushing the character down the toilet!! In short: he's the most evil of evil men.

    Well there is a healthy bit of ego in saying: Honestly, they only way they could ever follow me up is if you kill me. People would be screaming for more of me like you wouldn’t believe. No way for this to continue if I’m still around!

    Love the guy though;-)

    I think there are a few backflips required to see it that way :)
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    I confess up front I've been on a Benedict Cumberbatch film festival lately. The Year of the Dog I saw over the holidays, and last night I watched both The Courier and The Electrical Life of Louis Wain. The guy is On. A. Roll. Truly superb. I thought so before, but the variety among these was impressive. I don't know that he'd be interested, perhaps less so for a series - say, three ? - of films but: He plays in Marvel films, and it's rather light fare, too. He could play a posh-school Englishman who's still capable of cruelty and self-pleasuring - by way of women, wine, fine foods and gambling - QUITE well. He's a chameleon - handsome, not so much, dashing, goofy, all of it ! 6' tall and sometimes builds up to rock solid. When I think of him for this it seems to me - despite the producers saying no - that, with HIM in the part, he'd do well with in period (50s, early 60s).
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    Yes, yes - I posted this in Where goeth the series now ? first...as I noted there, the questions of Where goeth the series now ? and Who should play the part next ? have a GREAT deal to do with each other...
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    edited January 2022 Posts: 2,523
    talos7 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    How do you guys feel about Craig’s clam that he requested Bond’s death from the very beginning? I’m skeptical, and think there is a bit of ret-conning going on. I believe that had SPECTRE been a stronger film that it would have been his curtain call.

    Have you read this story ?

    "I'm going to tell a story here, whether or not anybody remembers it or agrees with it. But it was 2006," Craig recalled to Variety last month. "[Producer] Barbara [Broccoli] and I were sitting in the back of a car driving away from the Berlin premiere of Casino Royale. Everything was going well. People liked the movie. And it looked like I was gonna get a chance to make at least another movie. I said to Barbara, 'How many of these movies do I have to make?' Because I don't really look at contracts or any of those things. And she said, 'Four,' and I went, 'Oh, okay. Can I kill him off in the last one?' And she didn't pause. She said, 'Yes.' So I struck a deal with her back then and said, 'That's the way I'd like it to go.' It's the only way I could see for myself to end it all and to make it like that was my tenure, someone else could come and take over. She stuck to her guns."

    https://comicbook.com/movies/news/daniel-craig-james-bond-casting-press-conference-reaction/

    Yes, I’ve read it, but I’m skeptical.

    It might be true but as they say you shouldn't believe everything you read.

    Also you don't know who's on drugs when it comes to the rich and famous ?

    So many stories around over the years about drugs in show biz i'm sure everyone has read about ?

    I remember reading one story about John Barry a few years ago.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1353931/My-crazy-days-John-Barry-naughtiest-boys-Sixties-Glenys-Roberts.html
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    It’s true that he said it, I posted the link above.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    talos7 wrote: »
    How do you guys feel about Craig’s claim that he requested Bond’s death from the very beginning? I’m skeptical, and think there is a bit of ret-conning going on. I believe that had SPECTRE been a stronger film that it would have been his curtain call.

    I feel the same way, and I never really understood the need to make it seem like there was always a grand plan and ending point for everything. It rarely rings true to me. They make it up as they go and that's absolutely fine.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    edited January 2022 Posts: 692
    talos7 wrote: »
    How do you guys feel about Craig’s clam that he requested Bond’s death from the very beginning? I’m skeptical, and think there is a bit of ret-conning going on. I believe that had SPECTRE been a stronger film that it would have been his curtain call.

    I believe him, but I don't think he was serious about it at first. He probably meant it in half-jest back in 2006, but then turned it into his price tag for NTTD when he wanted to quit. "I won't come back to this role unless you kill me off" is another way of saying, "I don't want to play this role anymore." I bet he was shocked when Barbara agreed to his terms. She should have just let him go.

    IMO the bigger question is why Craig wanted to kill his character off to begin with. I don't believe for one moment his claim that he thought it would make it easier on the next actor, because that doesn't make any sense.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Well it's wrong to personally assign hatred to Daniel Craig as actor or producer for this item as I've seen. And speculating on behind the scenes motivations just goes down a road of negative fabrications. Unnecessary.

    The comment that killing the character assists the next actor taking on the role has some logic to it. I don't have to explain it further.

    Killing the character was a surprise concept to me, at the same time it's not so unique that it wasn't floated before. It's true there's nothing new under the sun, as here. From Craig and wherever else, the decision to execute it goes to the main producers and other key filmmakers. A bold decision.

    Why do it? It makes sense for the story as they presented it, simple as that and very compelling. And it makes sense of the character as done in simpler ways in 2006 for items like the martini, the sacrificial lamb, the car chase, getting captured and tortured by the villain.

    They've been validated by critical reviews, viewer ratings, and box office. Congratulations to them on their success and their amazing franchise still going strong after all these years.

  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    mtm wrote: »
    KenAustin wrote: »
    Troy wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Yep the Idris for Bond horse has bolted.

    Or shot it’s bolt. Or whatever.

    He will clearly never be Bond.

    But there should be a black Bond.

    They could even reuse the old Goldeneye trailer - “expecting someone else?”

    I don’t really understand this sentiment. I’m not against a black Bond, although my preference would be for him to remain roughly as is, but why ‘should’ there be?

    That's the burning question I have every time I see an article saying "it's time" for a black Bond. Well, why? And as others have echoed, why is it "time" then for a black Bond but not, say, an Asian Bond or Spanish Bond?

    As only 3% of the UK population are Black, we have a lot of Bonds to get through before we are due a Black Bond

    Ian Flemming didn't create a black James Bond...they can certainly cast another double-O as a different ethnicity if they want, but James Bond has a literary description already...it's lame and lacks creativity to hear the rhetoric about changing a character's description to appease members of society when they have the freedom to just create something new to fit their tastes.

    Seems even less creative to just copy stuff out of an old book verbatim.

    I've said it before, but taken to the nth degree, I swear some Bond fans would just have had Dr. No 25 times at this point.
    Well it's wrong to personally assign hatred to Daniel Craig as actor or producer for this item as I've seen. And speculating on behind the scenes motivations just goes down a road of negative fabrications. Unnecessary.

    The comment that killing the character assists the next actor taking on the role has some logic to it. I don't have to explain it further.

    Killing the character was a surprise concept to me, at the same time it's not so unique that it wasn't floated before. It's true there's nothing new under the sun, as here. From Craig and wherever else, the decision to execute it goes to the main producers and other key filmmakers. A bold decision.

    Why do it? It makes sense for the story as they presented it, simple as that and very compelling. And it makes sense of the character as done in simpler ways in 2006 for items like the martini, the sacrificial lamb, the car chase, getting captured and tortured by the villain.

    They've been validated by critical reviews, viewer ratings, and box office. Congratulations to them on their success and their amazing franchise still going strong after all these years.

    Well put. All that really needs to be said on the matter.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    I would like to suggest Hailee Steinfeld, as she looks in good in a tux. That's all we are basing it on, no? No matter the suitably, or lack thereof, for the role. (Better than the hordes of hipster man bros, that pop up on here, who in a misguided attempt to appear more masculine, grow a manicured beard)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    royale65 wrote: »
    I would like to suggest Hailee Steinfeld, as she looks in good in a tux. That's all we are basing it on, no? No matter the suitably, or lack thereof, for the role. (Better than the hordes of hipster man bros, that pop up on here, who in a misguided attempt to appear more masculine, grow a manicured beard)

    Put a beard on her, and she is good to go.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    If the next Bond film starred a bearded Hailee Steinfeld, I'd still go see it.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    If the next Bond film starred a bearded Hailee Steinfeld, I'd still go see it.

    As long as they get the gun barrel right.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    royale65 wrote: »
    I would like to suggest Hailee Steinfeld, as she looks in good in a tux. That's all we are basing it on, no? No matter the suitably, or lack thereof, for the role. (Better than the hordes of hipster man bros, that pop up on here, who in a misguided attempt to appear more masculine, grow a manicured beard)

    Put a beard on her, and she is good to go.

    A perfect comprise dear @Thunderfinger!
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    The Post-CR interview claim from Craig about wanting to kill the character back in 2006 may be true, but perhaps Broccoli thought he was only half-serious, or figured he would change his mind. It's likely she'd had that conversation with Brosnan at some point (killing his Bond) or was even around with Moore if her father ever discussed it with him. It was probably always treated as "yeah, sure, whatever, we'll see after four movies" regarding Craig ever bringing it up, and then he actually followed through.

    Don't view it as them trying to backtrack a grand story plan, if it ever actually happened. Instead rather I think this fits with Craig's pattern of post-film depression and attitude of "I'd die before doing another" so Broccoli et. al. probably had to deal with Craig's "jokes" about it after every production. (I'm a fan of the guy, just extrapolating.)
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
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    Well it's wrong to personally assign hatred to Daniel Craig as actor or producer for this item as I've seen. And speculating on behind the scenes motivations just goes down a road of negative fabrications. Unnecessary.

    We're just responding to what he himself has said.
    The comment that killing the character assists the next actor taking on the role has some logic to it. I don't have to explain it further.

    I don't see this logic. If the Craig era was its own separate continuity, it didn't need to have any particular ending. After all, no previous actor required his predecessor's Bond to die in order for him to take on the role.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    slide_99 wrote: »
    Well it's wrong to personally assign hatred to Daniel Craig as actor or producer for this item as I've seen. And speculating on behind the scenes motivations just goes down a road of negative fabrications. Unnecessary.

    We're just responding to what he himself has said.
    The comment that killing the character assists the next actor taking on the role has some logic to it. I don't have to explain it further.

    I don't see this logic. If the Craig era was its own separate continuity, it didn't need to have any particular ending. After all, no previous actor required his predecessor's Bond to die in order for him to take on the role.

    He just said the ending has some logic, not that it *needed* to happen. Like the ending or not (and I can certainly understand both opinions), of course it represents the closing of an era before the opening of a new one.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2022 Posts: 16,359
    talos7 wrote: »
    How do you guys feel about Craig’s claim that he requested Bond’s death from the very beginning? I’m skeptical, and think there is a bit of ret-conning going on. I believe that had SPECTRE been a stronger film that it would have been his curtain call.

    I feel the same way, and I never really understood the need to make it seem like there was always a grand plan and ending point for everything. It rarely rings true to me. They make it up as they go and that's absolutely fine.

    I don’t think having an end in mind is the same as a grand plan.
    slide_99 wrote: »
    Well it's wrong to personally assign hatred to Daniel Craig as actor or producer for this item as I've seen. And speculating on behind the scenes motivations just goes down a road of negative fabrications. Unnecessary.

    We're just responding to what he himself has said.
    The comment that killing the character assists the next actor taking on the role has some logic to it. I don't have to explain it further.

    I don't see this logic. If the Craig era was its own separate continuity, it didn't need to have any particular ending. After all, no previous actor required his predecessor's Bond to die in order for him to take on the role.

    He just said the ending has some logic, not that it *needed* to happen. Like the ending or not (and I can certainly understand both opinions), of course it represents the closing of an era before the opening of a new one.

    Yes indeed, it seems kind of self evident that it wraps his period up. I’m not sure why everyone seems so set on taking offence at anything the guy says.
  • At this point what Craig said and what may have or didn't transpire means very little. SP was supposed to be his last film and look how that ended. I'm just intrigued where they go next with the character. Hopefully there's an abstract arc in mind that truly celebrates Bond and has audiences leaving feeling just that bit taller.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    slide_99 wrote: »
    Well it's wrong to personally assign hatred to Daniel Craig as actor or producer for this item as I've seen. And speculating on behind the scenes motivations just goes down a road of negative fabrications. Unnecessary.

    We're just responding to what he himself has said.
    The comment that killing the character assists the next actor taking on the role has some logic to it. I don't have to explain it further.

    I don't see this logic. If the Craig era was its own separate continuity, it didn't need to have any particular ending. After all, no previous actor required his predecessor's Bond to die in order for him to take on the role.

    Have you seen the film @slide_99 ?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Oh gosh.

    So there's an evaluation of the bumblebee that proposes it's aerodynamically incapable of flight.

    And yet it flies.
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  • I think Cillian Murphy would make a great James Bond.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Jimjambond wrote: »
    At this point what Craig said and what may have or didn't transpire means very little. SP was supposed to be his last film and look how that ended. I'm just intrigued where they go next with the character. Hopefully there's an abstract arc in mind that truly celebrates Bond and has audiences leaving feeling just that bit taller.

    I think that is indeed where the franchise will go, or at least, it's my ideal way forward as well.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited January 2022 Posts: 8,216
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    How do you guys feel about Craig’s claim that he requested Bond’s death from the very beginning? I’m skeptical, and think there is a bit of ret-conning going on. I believe that had SPECTRE been a stronger film that it would have been his curtain call.

    I feel the same way, and I never really understood the need to make it seem like there was always a grand plan and ending point for everything. It rarely rings true to me. They make it up as they go and that's absolutely fine.

    I don’t think having an end in mind is the same as a grand plan.

    No, it's not. And I never specifically said it was, either. But the way it comes across to me - specifically in the "Being James Bond" documentary - suggests that's what they would like people to think and it doesn't ring true to me. And it's an unnecessary pretense, too.
    Jimjambond wrote: »
    At this point what Craig said and what may have or didn't transpire means very little. SP was supposed to be his last film and look how that ended. I'm just intrigued where they go next with the character. Hopefully there's an abstract arc in mind that truly celebrates Bond and has audiences leaving feeling just that bit taller.

    I think that is indeed where the franchise will go, or at least, it's my ideal way forward as well.

    I look forward to what comes next for this very reason. The possibilities are endless. The next era will be a lot of fun, I expect.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    edited January 2022 Posts: 2,523
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  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited January 2022 Posts: 7,546
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  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2022 Posts: 16,359
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    How do you guys feel about Craig’s claim that he requested Bond’s death from the very beginning? I’m skeptical, and think there is a bit of ret-conning going on. I believe that had SPECTRE been a stronger film that it would have been his curtain call.

    I feel the same way, and I never really understood the need to make it seem like there was always a grand plan and ending point for everything. It rarely rings true to me. They make it up as they go and that's absolutely fine.

    I don’t think having an end in mind is the same as a grand plan.

    No, it's not. And I never specifically said it was, either. But the way it comes across to me - specifically in the "Being James Bond" documentary - suggests that's what they would like people to think and it doesn't ring true to me. And it's an unnecessary pretense, too.

    I’m not sure what gave you that impression, I think they were quite clear about things like Quantum not being fully written. He just said here that he thought killing him would be a good ending.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited January 2022 Posts: 8,216
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    How do you guys feel about Craig’s claim that he requested Bond’s death from the very beginning? I’m skeptical, and think there is a bit of ret-conning going on. I believe that had SPECTRE been a stronger film that it would have been his curtain call.

    I feel the same way, and I never really understood the need to make it seem like there was always a grand plan and ending point for everything. It rarely rings true to me. They make it up as they go and that's absolutely fine.

    I don’t think having an end in mind is the same as a grand plan.

    No, it's not. And I never specifically said it was, either. But the way it comes across to me - specifically in the "Being James Bond" documentary - suggests that's what they would like people to think and it doesn't ring true to me. And it's an unnecessary pretense, too.

    I’m not sure what gave you that impression, I think they were quite clear about things like Quantum not being fully written. He just said here that he thought killing him would be a good ending.

    The impression comes from the idea that they had this idea for the ending conceptually in place from the beginning, from before CR was released. That discussions were had about it and it was always where they were going to go. It was mentioned pretty outright, if memory serves, and I just don't really buy it.

    Re: the other things. Yep, that's correct - and it was rather refreshing to hear them talk about Quantum in that way. I liked that portion of the doc quite a bit; easily the most interesting from a production POV. It was a shame the rest felt like they were selling smoke.
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