Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • Posts: 12,837
    I do prefer him to most.

    Jack O’Connell is aloof and laid back in a a naturally cool, masculine and attractive way. More brutish than Craig but does tidy up quite well. I see him in a CR or QoS type film, or even more realistic and down to earth with a lot of handheld cinematography. If he is cast, they should avoid the awkward camp Mendes forced into his films, as well as Fukanaga’s pacing issues. Good actor with good range and indeed good presence. Does look somewhat like a generic footballer (not ugly) but has the charisma to make up for it. Less suave but still more Bondian than almost all candidates in a post Craig era.

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    I think you and @007HallY have summed his appeal nicely, completely agree. And I thought he did a great job of playing a more sophisticated type than his usual characters in The North Water, so if he worked on the accent I’m sure he’d do fine with the posh boy stuff.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Coming from someone who’s not the tallest person, I really don’t like the prospect of a 5’7” Bond. Yes a variety of techniques can be used to get around this, but they aren’t always convincing. At 5’10, which I think is literally a stretch, Daniel pulled it off but there are a number of shots through his films where he looks small.
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Coming from someone who’s not the tallest person, I really don’t like the prospect of a 5’7” Bond. Yes a variety of techniques can be used to get around this, but they aren’t always convincing. At 5’10, which I think is literally a stretch, Daniel pulled it off but there are a number of shots through his films where he looks small.

    This. O'Connell isn't a serious proposition. I could see him as Jason Bourne, possibly, like Renner-ish.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Coming from someone who’s not the tallest person, I really don’t like the prospect of a 5’7” Bond. Yes a variety of techniques can be used to get around this, but they aren’t always convincing. At 5’10, which I think is literally a stretch, Daniel pulled it off but there are a number of shots through his films where he looks small.

    It doesn't matter very much to me, and I'm speaking as someone of average to tall height. I don't really care about the height of my heroes.
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    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Coming from someone who’s not the tallest person, I really don’t like the prospect of a 5’7” Bond. Yes a variety of techniques can be used to get around this, but they aren’t always convincing. At 5’10, which I think is literally a stretch, Daniel pulled it off but there are a number of shots through his films where he looks small.

    It doesn't matter very much to me, and I'm speaking as someone of average to tall height. I don't really care about the height of my heroes.

    Easy for you to say...
  • edited July 2022 Posts: 784
    If you've seen him smile, I imagine that's where some of the criticism is coming from. It's not that he's got bad teeth or anything, it's just he looks... I don't know, kind of trashy? He's just not been good so far at projecting smooth or cultured, and teamed with his lack of height it's a bit of a double whammy for me. I think he's a good actor, but I don't see Bond in him at all.

    Teeth are easily fixable though. I feel like a short person would have an easier time embodying a likable cheeky or cocky attitude than a tall person nowadays who’d otherwise be labeled with small d*** energy (as elderly Craig deservedly did in Skyfall and Brosnan did in GE and TWINE).
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    If you've seen him smile, I imagine that's where some of the criticism is coming from. It's not that he's got bad teeth or anything, it's just he looks... I don't know, kind of trashy? He's just not been good so far at projecting smooth or cultured, and teamed with his lack of height it's a bit of a double whammy for me. I think he's a good actor, but I don't see Bond in him at all.

    Teeth are easily fixable though. I feel like a short person would have an easier time embodying a likable cheeky or cocky attitude than a tall person nowadays who’d otherwise be labeled with small d*** energy (as elderly Craig deservedly did in Skyfall and Brosnan did in GE and TWINE)

    I really don't see where you're coming from at all. You think Bond needs to be short to be likeable?

    I'm only 5'9'' and I was often small for my age during childhood, so I have always liked heroes like Peter Parker who are average or below average height, who look like underdogs, but... that is not Bond. I don't think you should change things you don't have to when it comes to a heroic character.

    And I said Jack O'Connell hasn't got bad teeth (they're much better than mine), but there's just something about his smile that's just not smooth at all.

    I just don't get why some people want a markedly different take on the character rather than just trying to refine things.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I would be absolutely fine with that. But I think Superman might have ruled him out.


    As for Jack O'Connell. I'm not seeing it, he just looks too unconventional looking for Bond. I have said before that he looks better suited to Doctor Who. I'm surprised that Russel T Davies didn't offer him the role. Unless he did, and it was turned down. He seems very much in the Christopher Eccleston mould.

    And as for staying away from the Bond formula, hasn't there been more than enough of that in the last 16 years? They have only tentatively moved towards the Bond formula. The next Bond needs to be an actor that would be comfortable in something closer to a "traditional" Bond film.

    Excellent post, fully agree.

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    Well, Cavil is one of my top 3 candidates, the other two being Hoult, and your man Turner. I would be absolutely on board with any of those 3.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Since62 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Coming from someone who’s not the tallest person, I really don’t like the prospect of a 5’7” Bond. Yes a variety of techniques can be used to get around this, but they aren’t always convincing. At 5’10, which I think is literally a stretch, Daniel pulled it off but there are a number of shots through his films where he looks small.

    It doesn't matter very much to me, and I'm speaking as someone of average to tall height. I don't really care about the height of my heroes.

    Easy for you to say...

    Yes, that's why I did...?
  • edited July 2022 Posts: 4,304
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah I don't care what he's like offscreen, as long as he's not breaking the law or being bigoted or anything. I only care what he's like when he's acting, which is very good indeed.
    Just ignore the hillbilly stuff.

    I agree. Honestly, the guy seems like a laugh (as far as I can tell anyway, one never knows what a celebrity is like when they're away from the public eye). I'm not seeing much criticism of him as a potential candidate based on his acting ability to be honest... just stuff about his height (I'm personally of the opinion his particular height isn't a deal breaker) and very vague stuff about how he comes across as a person. Not even as an actor, just as an individual...

    Personally, I really don't see how his smile looks 'trashy'... Seems like a pretty good looking guy to me.


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    Like I was hinting at before, is it possibly a case where some people are simply seeing him as an offscreen individual - again, with his Derbyshire accent, beard and rather lively personality - rather than as an actor? An element of snobbery almost? No, he can't be Bond, he's too rough/working class/has a regional accent/is unrefined/looks like a footballer or whatever. And again, as I said before, didn't Connery and Craig have similar criticisms thrown at them? "The man looks like a balding Scottish lorry driver", "He's too blonde and craggy etc."

    But like I always say, what do I know? I'm not privy to these Bond auditions and do not know who will be chosen to attend them. None of us do. O'Connell may well be able to pull off suave, put on the correct accent etc... I'll reiterate, based on his work in Unbroken and '71, I get the sense he could play the role. Honestly, I suspect he's a serious contender. Regardless, whether he gets it or not, the guy is clearly talented and has been in some well received films. The guy has a great career already without Bond, and I suspect he'll have an even better one going forward whether he is James Bond or not.
  • edited July 2022 Posts: 181
    Those 3 pictures just confirm it. It has absolutely nothing to do with the actual actor's economic background or anything like that. I don't know anything about his biography. The guy just looks nothing like James Bond. I don't think there is a less Bond-like actor that gets posted here than O'Connell. The fact there are even a few people here that like him for Bond is just weird and bizarre to me. I guess different people have totally different ideas on what Bond is. Like the guy that said Bond should be a really little, short, underdog type. Just bizarre. James Bond is not some short, scrawny, scruffy underdog. It's just not the character. (And I also don't want him to be some big muscled hunk like Cavill either). Bond doesn't have to look one exact way, but come on people. But it's totally a matter of opinion I guess. People see different things in the character...
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
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    Those 3 pictures just confirm it. It has absolutely nothing to do with the actual actor's economic background or anything like that. I don't know anything about his biography. The guy just looks nothing like James Bond. I don't think there is a less Bond-like actor that gets posted here than O'Connell. The fact there are even a few people here that like him for Bond is just weird and bizarre to me. I guess different people have totally different ideas on what Bond is. Like the guy that said Bond should be a really little, short, underdog type. Just bizarre. James Bond is not some short, scrawny, scruffy underdog. It's just not the character. (And I also don't want him to be some big muscled hunk like Cavill either). Bond doesn't have to look one exact way, but come on people. But it's totally a matter of opinion I guess. People see different things in the character...

    I fully agree. He kind of resembles the bloke from GoT who played Ramsay Bolton, a little bit ratty. Obviously not Bond. I have come to the conclusion a long time ago that some members on here are a 180 from myself. All good though.

    @MajorDSmythe
    I wholeheartedly support your preference regarding one of the candidates :D Cheerio.

    Happy sunday everyone :)
  • Posts: 12,837
    The fact there are even a few people here that like him for Bond is just weird and bizarre to me.

    You’re right that we all see it differently, but you might get it if you watched some of his films. I don’t think he looks like any other Bond we’ve had in those photos, but I don’t think any of the Bond actors really look much alike anyway. And I’m sure if I went trawling through all the old DCINB posts I could find a fair few photos of Craig before he was cast where he looks nothing like Bond. He’s a cracking actor with sex appeal and tons of screen presence, that’s good enough for me.
    007HallY wrote: »
    Like I was hinting at before, is it possibly a case where some people are simply seeing him as an offscreen individual - again, with his Derbyshire accent, beard and rather lively personality - rather than as an actor? An element of snobbery almost? No, he can't be Bond, he's too rough/working class/has a regional accent/is unrefined/looks like a footballer or whatever. And again, as I said before, didn't Connery and Craig have similar criticisms thrown at them? "The man looks like a balding Scottish lorry driver", "He's too blonde and craggy etc."

    I think there’s a bit of that in some responses, but it’s probably more down to his relatively low profile. Most people commenting have only seen him from photos on here, and I don’t think he’s the sort of actor whose appeal comes across in photos (I also don’t think that should rule him out though, look how awkward Craig looked in some of his posters and gunbarrels). He’s not ugly, but he‘s not like a model either. He’s attractive because of his physical charm and how self assured he is, the way he moves and carries himself, rather than because he’s particularly good looking. But imo that’s a much more important quality for Bond to have than above average height or black hair or white skin or any specific facial features anyway.

    You’re right though, Connery and Craig would definitely get similar criticism on here if they’d never been cast and they were just being suggested. I think all of them would for one reason or another, except maybe Dalton.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    I first saw him in Skins, and since then I've seen him in 71, Godless, and The North Water. He's a good actor, but I think he's the wrong fit for Bond. Maybe there is a role where he plays a character closer to Bond which would change my mind, but so far I haven't seen it.
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    I first saw him in Skins, and since then I've seen him in 71, Godless, and The North Water. He's a good actor, but I think he's the wrong fit for Bond. Maybe there is a role where he plays a character closer to Bond which would change my mind, but so far I haven't seen it.

    I thought his part in The North Water was sort of halfway there. He still had his natural accent, but I thought the candence of his voice felt more traditionally “well spoken”, and he convinced me that he belonged in the scenes where he was sharing drinks with posh blokes and authority figures in offices.

    What did you make of The North Water too? I loved it and I thought it was a shame that it seemed to fly under the radar. Colin Farrell blew me away.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I first saw him in Skins, and since then I've seen him in 71, Godless, and The North Water. He's a good actor, but I think he's the wrong fit for Bond. Maybe there is a role where he plays a character closer to Bond which would change my mind, but so far I haven't seen it.

    I thought his part in The North Water was sort of halfway there. He still had his natural accent, but I thought the candence of his voice felt more traditionally “well spoken”, and he convinced me that he belonged in the scenes where he was sharing drinks with posh blokes and authority figures in offices.

    What did you make of The North Water too? I loved it and I thought it was a shame that it seemed to fly under the radar. Colin Farrell blew me away.

    Farrell-now there s a man who could have been Bond.
  • Posts: 12,837
    I first saw him in Skins, and since then I've seen him in 71, Godless, and The North Water. He's a good actor, but I think he's the wrong fit for Bond. Maybe there is a role where he plays a character closer to Bond which would change my mind, but so far I haven't seen it.

    I thought his part in The North Water was sort of halfway there. He still had his natural accent, but I thought the candence of his voice felt more traditionally “well spoken”, and he convinced me that he belonged in the scenes where he was sharing drinks with posh blokes and authority figures in offices.

    What did you make of The North Water too? I loved it and I thought it was a shame that it seemed to fly under the radar. Colin Farrell blew me away.

    Farrell-now there s a man who could have been Bond.

    Yeah he could’ve been great. Didn’t Brosnan suggest him as his successor?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I first saw him in Skins, and since then I've seen him in 71, Godless, and The North Water. He's a good actor, but I think he's the wrong fit for Bond. Maybe there is a role where he plays a character closer to Bond which would change my mind, but so far I haven't seen it.

    I thought his part in The North Water was sort of halfway there. He still had his natural accent, but I thought the candence of his voice felt more traditionally “well spoken”, and he convinced me that he belonged in the scenes where he was sharing drinks with posh blokes and authority figures in offices.

    What did you make of The North Water too? I loved it and I thought it was a shame that it seemed to fly under the radar. Colin Farrell blew me away.

    Farrell-now there s a man who could have been Bond.

    Yeah he could’ve been great. Didn’t Brosnan suggest him as his successor?

    I remember reading that, and coudn t quite see it at the time, but he won me over with several great performances over the years.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
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    I quite liked Farrell in the second season of True Detective. Not sad however he didn't get to play Bond.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    I first saw him in Skins, and since then I've seen him in 71, Godless, and The North Water. He's a good actor, but I think he's the wrong fit for Bond. Maybe there is a role where he plays a character closer to Bond which would change my mind, but so far I haven't seen it.

    I thought his part in The North Water was sort of halfway there. He still had his natural accent, but I thought the candence of his voice felt more traditionally “well spoken”, and he convinced me that he belonged in the scenes where he was sharing drinks with posh blokes and authority figures in offices.

    What did you make of The North Water too? I loved it and I thought it was a shame that it seemed to fly under the radar. Colin Farrell blew me away.
    Brutal and nasty, but very compelling.

    Yeah, Farrell was amazing as Henry Drax, truly frightening.
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    Tom Doherty looks like someone Barbara would go for.
  • edited July 2022 Posts: 4,304
    Those 3 pictures just confirm it. It has absolutely nothing to do with the actual actor's economic background or anything like that. I don't know anything about his biography. The guy just looks nothing like James Bond. I don't think there is a less Bond-like actor that gets posted here than O'Connell. The fact there are even a few people here that like him for Bond is just weird and bizarre to me. I guess different people have totally different ideas on what Bond is. Like the guy that said Bond should be a really little, short, underdog type. Just bizarre. James Bond is not some short, scrawny, scruffy underdog. It's just not the character. (And I also don't want him to be some big muscled hunk like Cavill either). Bond doesn't have to look one exact way, but come on people. But it's totally a matter of opinion I guess. People see different things in the character...

    Maybe it's a case of people simply seeing different things then... I just don't see trashy in these particular photos of him, but perhaps I'm biased because I rather like him as an actor and think he could play Bond. I do think how this particular actor comes across offscreen does have an impact though. I'm not saying you know his economic background, but perhaps you know what accent the guy has. You might have seen clips where you can see how he carries himself, hear the kind of jokes he makes. He's a versatile actor and many of his roles have involved playing pretty un-Bondian characters such as in Skins, which you might be aware of or have seen. You can definitely see how he looks/dresses offscreen from these photos. You can get that sense he's 'unsophisticated', unshaven at times etc. Beneath playing Bond almost. Again, I do not know what you have seen of him, but if you had no idea who he was beyond those photos I posted, would you immediately say his smile was trashy? Would most people if they only saw those photos of him? I suspect they wouldn't personally, whether or not they thought he looked Bondian or not.

    Regardless, why would any of this matter outside of his acting? In fact, that way of carrying himself in real life, that self confidence/cheekiness might even prove beneficial to an interpretation of Bond, possibly allowing him to outshine others. I suspect the latter qualities are the sort of thing the producers are going to be looking for in their candidates, hence why my instinct is he's a strong contender. Again, it was exactly the same thing with Connery - a raw self confidence and talent packaged into someone who Fleming described as looking like 'a balding Scottish lorry driver'. Not all his credits prior to DN always gave a sense that he was capable of playing a gentleman spy.
    007HallY wrote: »
    Like I was hinting at before, is it possibly a case where some people are simply seeing him as an offscreen individual - again, with his Derbyshire accent, beard and rather lively personality - rather than as an actor? An element of snobbery almost? No, he can't be Bond, he's too rough/working class/has a regional accent/is unrefined/looks like a footballer or whatever. And again, as I said before, didn't Connery and Craig have similar criticisms thrown at them? "The man looks like a balding Scottish lorry driver", "He's too blonde and craggy etc."

    I think there’s a bit of that in some responses, but it’s probably more down to his relatively low profile. Most people commenting have only seen him from photos on here, and I don’t think he’s the sort of actor whose appeal comes across in photos (I also don’t think that should rule him out though, look how awkward Craig looked in some of his posters and gunbarrels). He’s not ugly, but he‘s not like a model either. He’s attractive because of his physical charm and how self assured he is, the way he moves and carries himself, rather than because he’s particularly good looking. But imo that’s a much more important quality for Bond to have than above average height or black hair or white skin or any specific facial features anyway.

    I think that's a pretty fair assessment and I agree. The fact that there are people who see that quality in him is pretty telling. In fact, O'Connell reminds me a bit of Tom Hardy, another interesting 'what if' actor who, arguably anyway, simply became too famous/old for the role and never had the opportunity rather than failed to get the part.

    I've only seen trailers of The North Water, but it looks rather good and hope to catch it at some point. The cast certainly looks solid. Farrell's career has certainly improved over the last few years and I'm happy he's been able to get roles which allow his talent to shine through.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
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    Soooo...

    Anyone else other than Midget O'Connell? And no, it doesn't have to be Turner.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I first saw him in Skins, and since then I've seen him in 71, Godless, and The North Water. He's a good actor, but I think he's the wrong fit for Bond. Maybe there is a role where he plays a character closer to Bond which would change my mind, but so far I haven't seen it.

    I thought his part in The North Water was sort of halfway there. He still had his natural accent, but I thought the candence of his voice felt more traditionally “well spoken”, and he convinced me that he belonged in the scenes where he was sharing drinks with posh blokes and authority figures in offices.

    What did you make of The North Water too? I loved it and I thought it was a shame that it seemed to fly under the radar. Colin Farrell blew me away.

    Farrell-now there s a man who could have been Bond.

    Yeah he could’ve been great. Didn’t Brosnan suggest him as his successor?

    I remember reading that, and coudn t quite see it at the time, but he won me over with several great performances over the years.

    It was London Boulevard for me. Not a particularly good film, but he carried it with his performance. It's not just the obvious moment of him wearing a nice suit and carrying a silenced pistol throughout, either - there's an air of danger about him throughout the entire thing without any loss of dry humour or ability to deal with the ladies.

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    We had a good run with Craig, but the problem is that a lot of great alternatives peaked during his tenure also and are now too old.
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    We had a good run with Craig, but the problem is that a lot of great alternatives peaked during his tenure also and are now too old.

    Yeah true. I’ve really enjoyed the Craig era, but part of me is still a bit gutted that we’ll never see Elba, Hardy or Fassbender have a go.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    We had a good run with Craig, but the problem is that a lot of great alternatives peaked during his tenure also and are now too old.

    Yeah true. I’ve really enjoyed the Craig era, but part of me is still a bit gutted that we’ll never see Elba, Hardy or Fassbender have a go.

    Or Russell Crowe, another that might have been great.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Crowe could've been interesting, I can see that.
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    Soooo...

    Anyone else other than Midget O'Connell? And no, it doesn't have to be Turner.
    I just had a vision of O'Connell and Turner as double-O agents co-starring alongside myself.
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    Crowe I think was always a bit too famous even pre-Craig, but Fassbender around 2007-2010 would have worked. Same for Hardy and Elba. I suspect had Craig dropped the role around this time all of those actors would have been considered, but of course as we know that's not how it worked out.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    I wondered when Chiwetel Ejiofor was supposedly in talks for Spectre (for C I believe) if he was actually being considered the Bond himself if Craig pulled out. Sometimes the studios show interest in another actor in order to get a better deal from their current first choice (as I suspect James Brolin was used as leverage against Roger Moore).

    Anyway, I always felt Ejiofor was a better fit for Bond than Elba if you were looking to to cast a black actor, he's just so good.
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