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Look around you mate. If I was the black ignorant tit gaslighting everyone and calling them all racist, I think it would be me everyone was coming down on.
“Woke” is a term mostly misused by people willing to abandon empathy where it bumps into the comfort of their own personal social construct.
And there we go again, the idiot calling a member a racist for reading words how he wants to read them. Stop denying and stop gaslighting.
@mtm
Teaming up again with your likeminded creepy friends again? All good, Thankfully I know you're far beyond saving.
@DarthDimi is this acceptable? Why do we have to put up with this?
Haha and here we go again. Typical narc gaslighter whose main job here is to wreak havoc and then play the victim again. Time and time again. Who's we anyway? How about stop manipulating, it is your MO it seems.
@NickTwentyTwo
Perhaps don't call people racist for no reason. Buy some glasses, read what it says and stop twisting words. Clearly you're depressed about Little Mermaid or whatever the deal is and project that onto others.
Clearly there is a very very strong division between two/multiple "groups" on here. That much is clear. It's probably better for each group to go their own way, until the next Bond has a name. However I won't back down from bullying. Just want that to be clear.
That's me done regarding this subject.
I wish he was 8-10 years younger and got the job. I'd be elated. What a stud.
Have they been documented though? Fleming called Dr No dreadful, that’s documented. Fleming didn’t want Sean Connery, that’s documented. Fleming was researching his own Scottish ancestry before making Bond Scottish, that’s documented. Fleming loving Sean after watching FRWL, and making Bond Scottish as a tribute to him? Happy to be proven wrong, maybe a Fleming historian like @Revelator could help us out, but I can’t find any source for that, it’s just one of those things that’s been parroted a lot on fansites over the years. I know he visited the set and enjoyed the money but that’s not really proof of anything. Who knows, if he’d been born in a less racist and more multi cultural time period and the films were just as successful, then maybe he’d have put up with a black or asian guy in the role, in the same way he did the lorry driving bodybuilder.
Also ironic that you’re going on about bullying when you’re literally the only person on here who makes comments like the one in bold. You’re the source of most arguments in this thread in fact, the rest of us seem to manage to get on and stay civil even when we disagree. Probably wasting my breath but it might be worth thinking about why that is. And it might be worth actually finding a black friend (scary I know, but we’re friendly, promise!) in real life who you can use as a sounding board to check how definitely not racist you are, because your comments have made it very obvious you don’t have any.
EDIT: Forgot to say, on Cubby, he tried to cast James Brolin who kept his American accent for the screentest (you can watch it on Youtube if you like). Bond sounding British seems like a pretty important detail to me. He was a great producer but like all of them, he was capable of making mistakes, and he never stuck religiously to the source material.
I know… I used to say he was too old (and he definitely is lol) but once when I said that, another member said they’d be fine with him even at his current age, so now that’s my line as well. :))
Your wish is my command! Before proceeding any further, a note: Despite being an amateur Fleming scholar, I think the producers need to keep up with the times, because they're making movies for a 21st century audience. Bond's core attributes--as set out by Fleming and carried into the movies--are his Britishness, masculinity, elegance, and toughness. And the 21st century version of Britishness is no longer exclusively white. So if you can find an actor who fits those attributes, he's Bond material. And Fleming was open to casting actors who didn't fit his exact conception of his Bond, as in the case of Connery.
As a matter of fact, Fleming accepted Connery even before FRWL. He was praising Connery before Dr. No opened, as documented in the Fleming interviews thread:
“Cary Grant, David Niven and James Mason wanted to play James Bond. But I said why spend millions of pounds on one of these characters, why not create our own Cary Grant? We made a nationwide search and hit on Sean Connery, a young Shakespearean actor who weightlifts for Scotland and is a very solid fellow." (North American Newspaper Alliance, Feb. 18, 1962)
“Physically he’s a very good example of James Bond—except he’s got rather a strong Scottish accent. He’s very slow moving, powerfully built, six feet tall, dark hair, weight-lifts for Scotland, boxed for the Navy, and plays centre forward for the Variety Artists team at weekends—yes, I think he will be very good in the part, and if he clicks, his fortune is made." (Harper’s Bazaar, Feb. 1962)
Also, look at what Fleming wrote to his mistress Blanche Blackwell in a letter from Oct. 25, 1961: "The producer, Terence Young, seems very nice and the man they have chosen for Bond, Sean Connery, is a real charmer--fairly unknown but a good actor with the right looks and physique."
The documentary Ian Fleming: 007's Creator, included on the Blu-Ray of The Living Daylights, also shows how quickly Fleming accepted Connery when he saw Sean's effect on women.
The idea that Fleming was upset with Connery's casting is something exaggerated by the filmmakers to make themselves look good and enhanced by the usual spiteful film-land gossip.
As to whether Fleming made Bond Scottish in tribute to Connery, there is no clinching evidence either way, but what's beyond denial is that before Connery's casting, Fleming always referred to Bond as English. It's a little too coincidental that Bond suddenly began referring to himself as a Scot only after Connery was cast, starting in a book that referenced Connery's first Bond film.
Fleming was pragmatic when it came to the Bond movies. As Richard Maibaum said: "I did not speak to him about screenwriting. He didn’t seem very interested. He didn’t have script approval, but as a matter of courtesy we gave him the scripts to read. He would make minimal notes in the margin, in very tiny handwriting, that usually dealt with questions of protocol—what Bond called M in the office as opposed to what he called him at their club, things like that."
Fleming was prepared to accept Jimmy Stewart as Bond at one point, so it's clear he was open to unconventional choices, as long as the actor had real or potential appeal to the box office (and women). Connery might not have fit his exact picture as Bond, but he quickly accepted him. A lesson to be applied to future actors.
Thing is, there has been a "White Panther" for 110 years now... He's called Tarzan.
“Why isn’t there a straight pride parade?”
Get that one one Vancouver a lot. Every parade is a straight pride parade.
No thoughts on my suggestion of Domhnall Gleeson? Or was it so out there that no comment can be made. :))
It's always good to have interesting new suggestions though. I've certainly not seen him like that before and there's a bit of a Bondy look certainly; he might make a good period Bond. That's quite a suit too.
But thanks for the feedback.
Cheers mate great post, knew you’d be able to help. So is the “dreadful” quote from the Andrew Lycett biography bollocks then, or did he just rate Connery but not the film?
I always assumed Fleming's relationship with the first two Bond films was more complicated than we'd imagine. It makes sense - obviously the man himself had tried a few times to bring his creation to the screen, and when it finally happened he got a rather unconventional choice of actor for the part (one who admits that he went into the role 'making fun of it' to a certain extent), with elements of the character that perhaps didn't fully resemble his own creation. That's not to mention the changes one always gets when adapting a novel into a movie - certain ideas are toned down, other parts sensationalised etc. It makes sense Fleming might not have fully warmed to the film initially, the man was human.
I always got the sense he softened on DN, but he was genuinely impressed with Connery. I suspect it's true he was very much willing to accept unconventional actors for the role though.
You're welcome! I'll have to try sourcing the quote, but Fleming was frequently self-deprecating about his books (which he dismissed in equally insulting ways), and I wouldn't be surprised if he was being the same way about a film made from his books, especially if he was talking to someone who looked down on Bond. I remember another quote from him about Dr. No where he says those who loved the book might be disappointed but everyone else would have a great time.
Ouch! :D
Netflix's Tudum 2022: Official Announcement Trailer (Chris Hemsworth, Henry Cavill and Jason Momoa)
Two of those Actors are considered for the Bond role, let's see how they would fare here.
After watching that I still haven't got.a clue what Tudum is