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BOND POLLS 2015: Best Bond-films "GoldenEye" until "Skyfall" •••FINAL RESULTS•••

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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,789
    bondjames wrote: »
    Namely, the recency bias affecting SF positively (undoubtedly but to what extent is difficult to tell), & maybe the bandwagon effect, which may be impacting DAD negatively
    Yeah, SF has the recency effect going for it, but also, it's just a frickin' beautiful looking & well paced movie backed up by Craig's usual great performance. OTOH, DAD is a movie I take great pleasures from, but I cannot rate it very highly because of its uneven tone & cartoony moments. It really has to be in last place even though I actually enjoy it more than SF.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2014 Posts: 23,883
    I get your point @Gustav_Graves. I don't think the voting has been affected either, as I said earlier. The results look to be quite clear, apart from #4, 5& 6 that are in a close fight.

    The thing about cognitive biases are that they are subconcious, and we are all guilty of them, even the most rational of us, even if we don't think we are. I am as well, although I may not think I am. So my voting may have been influenced subconsciously too, although I may genuinely deny that consciously. It's very difficult to test for. It's a fascinating field of study that behavioural economists & psychologists are just getting to grips with. There are big implications for the field of economics in particular & how it's taught. It kind of reminds me of that scene in SF with Bond being questioned by the MI6 psychologist.

    Your results seem to be holding pretty steady, and it is that steadiness throughout the voting over days that makes this poll interesting. We are getting to a good sample size.
  • timmertimmer
    Posts: 4,622
    Getafix wrote: »
    Important point about the reassuring comfort elements. It is actually really disturbing for fans not see the GB at the start.

    Amen to that!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited November 2014 Posts: 17,789
    bondjames wrote: »
    The thing about cognitive biases are that they are subconcious, and we are all guilty of them, even the most rational of us, even if we don't think we are. I am as well, although I may not think I am.
    Here's a thing that can sort of cut through some of that: Do you watch the movie often? You can rate it however you want, bias or not, but the proof of the pudding for each of us in in the eating.
    Of the films on this thread, my most watched flicks are
    1. TND
    2/3. GE/QOS (about equal)
    4. TWINE
    5/6. DAD/CR (about equal)
    7. SF

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2014 Posts: 23,883
    An excellent point, but now we have the recency bias affecting SF positively again. I watch that one more often (and QoS) because I'm not quite as familar with all the goings on, compared to Bond movies I may have seen many times over the years (such as GE).

    For me these are the ones I watch most often, and enjoy watching the most (as of today):

    1. SF
    2. QoS
    3. GE
    4. CR
    5. TND
    6. DAD
    7. TWINE

    My original ranking was as follows:

    1. CR
    2. GE
    3. SF
    4. TND
    5. QoS
    6. TWINE
    7. DAD

    Make of that what you will. Interestingly, even though I ranked CR very high (and think it's my favourite), I don't watch it that often (as you and I discussed in a previous thread re: FRWL, it's the pacing, which is a bit slow in the last few acts. So I only get round to it when I'm in the mood for a slower pace). The human mind is such a puzzle
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    This is better readable I think. After 52 voters have casted their rankings:
    xUzKUp.jpg

    Great graph @Gustav, thanks for putting so much effort in. Just out of curiousity, and it may be tiredness kicking in, but what do you mean by "remarkable voter"?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,789
    bondjames wrote: »
    An excellent point, but now we have the recency bias affecting SF positively again. I watch that one more often (and QoS) because I'm not quite as familar with all the goings on, compared to Bond movies I may have seen many times over the years (such as GE).
    Here's another thing, my watching of QOS has gone UP as I become more familiar with it (I totally LOVE this movie now), yet even though I am now CRAZY intimately familiar with TND, I still continue to watch it most often of the group at hand here.
    Recency seems to have no effect on me, strange as that might be.
    :-??
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2014 Posts: 23,883
    QoS is actually a damn fine Bond movie. Very underrated, due to the editing, which is an acquired taste. It's also a very intense Bond movie with a very intense James Bond in it (would you want to mess with that guy?)

    I think the more one watches it, the better it becomes, because you actually begin to slowly decipher what the bloody hell is going on during all the action scenes.

    My favourite bit was Bond's stare down of Yusef Kabira at the end. I too would have wanted him to 'make it quick'. I thought the Canadian wet herself. Craig is such an awesome actor!

    This and LTK are underrated gems, that grow on you.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,789
    bondjames wrote: »
    This and LTK are underrated gems, that grow on you.
    Funny, both made during writer's strikes.
    :-?
  • dragonskydragonsky
    Posts: 2,491
    1.CR
    2.TWINE
    3.SF
    4.GE
    5.TND
    6.QoS
    7.DAD
  • ohfilms1ohfilms1
    Posts: 112
    1.SF
    2.CR
    3.TND
    4.TWINE
    5.QoS
    6.DAD
    7.GE
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,789
    dragonsky wrote: »
    2.TWINE
    An interesting if unpopular choice, mate. I can't fault it as I love that move despite its flaws...
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    Posts: 2,252
    lol at the "remarkable voters"
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    chrisisall wrote: »
    dragonsky wrote: »
    2.TWINE
    An interesting if unpopular choice, mate. I can't fault it as I love that move despite its flaws...

    This movie is really fighting for a 4th place together with QOS and TND. Just look at the nr. of 10's it got so far.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    I agree with many of the views on QOS. On first viewing, I was shocked, couldn't understand what was going on. :)) But having watched it many times It made a bit more sense and now I rather like it.
    Which oddly was my reaction to LTK on first viewing didn't like it either, yet now it would be my #3 Favourite Bond film.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    w2bond wrote: »
    lol at the "remarkable voters"

    Indeed, it's odd!

  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    w2bond wrote: »
    lol at the "remarkable voters"

    Quite:
    ohfilms1 wrote: »
    1.SF
    2.CR
    3.TND
    4.TWINE
    5.QoS
    6.DAD
    7.GE

    In an attempt to bolster the stats so that anomalies such as the above dont have any sway on the overall results let me add my rather more mainstream list.

    1.CR
    2.SF
    3.GE
    4.TND
    5.QOS
    6.TWINE
    7.DAD
  • PlykshowPlykshow Kent, United Kingdom
    Posts: 35
    1. Tomorrow Never Dies
    2. Goldeneye
    3. Skyfall
    4. The World Is Not Enough
    5. Die Another Day
    6. Casino Royale
    7. Quantum of Solace
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited November 2014 Posts: 9,117
    Plykshow wrote: »
    1. Tomorrow Never Dies
    2. Goldeneye
    3. Skyfall
    4. The World Is Not Enough
    5. Die Another Day
    6. Casino Royale
    7. Quantum of Solace

    Jesus Christ. That's democracy folks!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    "That's certainly a new slant on things " :))
    But
    " We all get our Jollies, one way or another "
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited November 2014 Posts: 9,117
    DrGorner wrote: »
    " We all get our Jollies, one way or another "

    That don't make it right mate! Jack the Ripper used to cut the lady's ears off 'just for jolly' but he's regarded as a mentalist. I don't really think we should allow anyone who puts DAD above CR to get away with the hackneyed 'everyone's entitled to their opinion chestnut.' They need locking up for the good of society.
  • Zorin61Zorin61
    Posts: 418
    1. Skyfall
    2. Casino Royale
    3. Goldeneye
    4. The World Is Not Enough
    5. Tomorrow Never Dies
    6. Quantum of Solice
    7. Die Another Day
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    edited November 2014 Posts: 11,119
    At first, there seemed to be quite a battle going on for 2nd place. But in the latest poll results "Skyfall" is now more thoroughly escaping the "claws" of "GoldenEye" :-P. Also interesting to see, "Quantum Of Solace" still doesn't do well, as it receives the highest number of 1-pointers after "Die Another Day". I didn't expect that. Both "TND" and "TWINE" are moving away from "QOS" score-wise:
    mN2uVz.jpg

    I just can't help it to say this, but I'm quite happy "SF" solidifies its 2nd place :-P. Lovely to see that they are quite a few "SF"-fans here. Following posters gave "SF" the maximum of 15 points:
    --> @mcdonbb
    --> @Dragonpol
    --> @jake24
    --> @nobodydoesitbetter
    --> @Dalton12
    --> @Pajan005
    --> @Shardlake
    --> @OHMSS69
    --> @4EverBonded
    --> @ohfilms1
    --> @Zorin61

    Although that's nothing compared to the biggest chunk of 15-pointers "Casino Royale" got. And the films deserves it :-)!



  • doubleohdaddoubleohdad
    Posts: 1,146
    I'd rather watch QoS than any of the Bros films.
    Not even close.
  • doubleohdaddoubleohdad
    Posts: 1,146
    'kept maybe GE, keep the others.
  • Matt_HelmMatt_Helm
    Posts: 908
    1. TWINE (to me the best Bond since FYEO. Strong story,original plot very much
    rooted in reality. Sure it has got its faults and problems. But so does FYEO)
    2. QoS (actually quite original story,lots of globetrotting - albeit much too rushed - very beautifully filmed)
    3. DAD (strictly for its first half. Up until to Bond gets introduced to the "Vanish" this
    Is quite sound 007 style to me.)
    4. TND (if only for its Hamburg part sans the reckless destruction of the travel shop.
    Terrible Beginning, uninspired plot and ending. About the PTS - knew Bond must be a master with a joystick between his legs , but even then this is just as laughable as the plane diving "stunt" in GE. Embarrassing wanna be style. )
    5. CR (simply not the wonder some have made it to be. Just too much "unbondian" behaviour, generic action and much too much forced box ticking)
    6. GE (is the reason why TND is the only Bond movie I haven't seen on the big screen. I just had had it after this one. Randomly and careless mass killing on full auto die hard style, not to mention Bond "flying" to catch his plane, and,and,and. Since every Bond since FYEO to me had be more or less a letdown I thought they just had lost it. It was not until a friend lent me a VHS tape of TND that its middle part convinced me that there was still some enjoyment to have with 007)
    7. SF ( No logic,no ethics,no points )
  • doubleohdaddoubleohdad
    Posts: 1,146
    Dunno about TWINE being the best Bond since FYEO.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited November 2014 Posts: 11,425
    Quirky selection. TWINE best since FYEO? Totally agree on GE and SF assessments although even I wouldn't put SF bottom. To me GE is the most inexplicably overrated movie in the series. Even more so than SF.

    GE is awful on almost every count. TND is largely rubbish as well, but significantly better than GE.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2014 Posts: 23,883
    Interesting point of view @Matt_Helm. And nicely justified.

    I couldn't be more on a different page with you. In fact, I think my ranking is completely the opposite! However, I respect your point of view, and why you feel this way....
  • jobojobo
    edited November 2014 Posts: 7,507
    Matt_Helm wrote: »
    5. CR (and much too much forced box ticking)

    Hm, that's the first time I've seen Casino Royale accused of that. Care to explain what you mean by that?

    (This is not criticism, only curiosity ;) )
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