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Homage to Bernard Lee in TLD?

Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
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In TLD, Necros asks Saunders, "Balloon mein, herr?" Saunders responds curtly, "Nein."

Very similar to a scene in The Third Man where Sergeant Paine (played by Bernard Lee) and Captain Calloway, in a moment of high tension, are accosted by a balloon seller who repeatedly queries them with "Balloon mein, herr?" whereupon Paine and Calloway gruffly brush him off.

Possibly a coincidence, of course, but I doubt it.

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  • TokolosheTokoloshe Under your bed
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    Perilagu_Khan wrote:
    In TLD, Necros asks Saunders, "Balloon mein, herr?" Saunders responds curtly, "Nein."

    Very similar to a scene in The Third Man where Sergeant Paine (played by Bernard Lee) and Captain Calloway, in a moment of high tension, are accosted by a balloon seller who repeatedly queries them with "Balloon mein, herr?" whereupon Paine and Calloway gruffly brush him off.

    Possibly a coincidence, of course, but I doubt it.


    It's in the same location, is it not?

  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    edited November 2014 Posts: 5,080
    Great to see you posting again, @Perilagu_Khan.

    Very interesting observation. I would be a nice nod if true.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    As TLD's director John Glen worked on The Third Man with Carol Reed this was indeed a homage, as was the Ferris Wheel scene and Glen even says as much in his autobiography For My Eyes Only (2001) I believe.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited November 2014 Posts: 11,425
    Nice touch and well spotted.

    I was disappointed that SF did not reference The Third Man. The subterranean chase under London was crying out for a section through Joseph Bazalgette 's epic sewer network.

    I like it when the Bond movies give a little not to some cinematic classic. FRWL and NBNW, and Casino Royale has an excellent homage to Don't Look Now. More of that kind of thing please.

    Also the mirror room in TMWTGG is a reference to at least one other movie, although I can't remember which one. Is it a Hitchcock?

    I've read that QoS references Frenzy as well. Never seen Frenzy, so don't know about that one.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    ImSF did reference The Third Man apparently. Mendes says so during the sewer sequence when we see Silva's shadow on the wall.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    The moment in GE when Oromov kills one of his own men in the PTS was also taken from The Wild Bunch according to Campbell in the DVD commentary.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited November 2014 Posts: 11,425
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    ImSF did reference The Third Man apparently. Mendes says so during the sewer sequence when we see Silva's shadow on the wall.

    Really? Will have to rewatch it.... hang on a sec, may be not.

    Any ideas where the TMWTGG scene comes from? I remember watching another (earlier film) and the scene is almost identical. For some reason I think it's some black and white expressionist movie. Or may be Hitchcock paying homage to expressionism.

    I have a feeling it is originally a scene in M by Fritz Lang, and that Hitchcock 'borrowed' it for one of his films before TMWTGG reused it a third time.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    No, I was completely wrong.

    It's originally a scene in The Lady From Shanghai.



    And it's then wripped off in Enter the Dragon (1973) and then again TMWTGG in 74.



    I guess with all the martial arts stuff, Golden Gun was referencing Enter the Dragon, but they must have known about The Lady From Shanghai. Referencing Orson Welles is no bad thing.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited November 2014 Posts: 11,425
    Oh and Woody Allen has used it as well.



    He is clearly referencing Welles though.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    I want to say the Frenzy reference in QOS is when we see the dead body in the water but to be honest I can't remember as its been a while since I last saw Frenzy.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited November 2014 Posts: 18,280
    Getafix wrote: »
    Nice touch and well spotted.

    I was disappointed that SF did not reference The Third Man. The subterranean chase under London was crying out for a section through Joseph Bazalgette 's epic sewer network.

    I like it when the Bond movies give a little not to some cinematic classic. FRWL and NBNW, and Casino Royale has an excellent homage to Don't Look Now. More of that kind of thing please.

    Also the mirror room in TMWTGG is a reference to at least one other movie, although I can't remember which one. Is it a Hitchcock?

    I've read that QoS references Frenzy as well. Never seen Frenzy, so don't know about that one.

    I think the mirror room scenes in TMWTGG are a homage to Bruce Lee's Enter the Dragon (1973) given all of the kung-fu references in the film elsewhere.

    EDIT: Sorry, I had started writing this before @Getafix's posts above were visible.
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    Posts: 2,483
    Tokoloshe wrote: »
    Perilagu_Khan wrote:
    In TLD, Necros asks Saunders, "Balloon mein, herr?" Saunders responds curtly, "Nein."

    Very similar to a scene in The Third Man where Sergeant Paine (played by Bernard Lee) and Captain Calloway, in a moment of high tension, are accosted by a balloon seller who repeatedly queries them with "Balloon mein, herr?" whereupon Paine and Calloway gruffly brush him off.

    Possibly a coincidence, of course, but I doubt it.


    It's in the same location, is it not?

    Right. Vienna.

  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    As TLD's director John Glen worked on The Third Man with Carol Reed this was indeed a homage, as was the Ferris Wheel scene and Glen even says as much in his autobiography For My Eyes Only (2001) I believe.

    Thanks for the confirmation. And I should have made the connection with the Ferris wheel scenes, too.

  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Nice touch and well spotted.

    I was disappointed that SF did not reference The Third Man. The subterranean chase under London was crying out for a section through Joseph Bazalgette 's epic sewer network.

    I like it when the Bond movies give a little not to some cinematic classic. FRWL and NBNW, and Casino Royale has an excellent homage to Don't Look Now. More of that kind of thing please.

    Also the mirror room in TMWTGG is a reference to at least one other movie, although I can't remember which one. Is it a Hitchcock?

    I've read that QoS references Frenzy as well. Never seen Frenzy, so don't know about that one.

    I think the mirror room scenes in TMWTGG are a homage to Bruce Lee's Enter the Dragon (1973) given all of the kung-fu references in the film elsewhere.

    Sure you are right. Nice to think they were also conscious of the Welles film as well though.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,280
    Perilagu_Khan wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    As TLD's director John Glen worked on The Third Man with Carol Reed this was indeed a homage, as was the Ferris Wheel scene and Glen even says as much in his autobiography For My Eyes Only (2001) I believe.

    Thanks for the confirmation. And I should have made the connection with the Ferris wheel scenes, too.

    My pleasure. Good to see you back amongst us @Perilagu_Khan. Please know you were much missed! :)
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    Posts: 2,483
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Perilagu_Khan wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    As TLD's director John Glen worked on The Third Man with Carol Reed this was indeed a homage, as was the Ferris Wheel scene and Glen even says as much in his autobiography For My Eyes Only (2001) I believe.

    Thanks for the confirmation. And I should have made the connection with the Ferris wheel scenes, too.

    My pleasure. Good to see you back amongst us @Perilagu_Khan. Please know you were much missed! :)

    Thank you kindly, Dragon. I'll shoot in and out if I have anything remotely interesting to say. And, of course, as B24 hots up I'll be around some.

  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,280
    Perilagu_Khan wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Perilagu_Khan wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    As TLD's director John Glen worked on The Third Man with Carol Reed this was indeed a homage, as was the Ferris Wheel scene and Glen even says as much in his autobiography For My Eyes Only (2001) I believe.

    Thanks for the confirmation. And I should have made the connection with the Ferris wheel scenes, too.

    My pleasure. Good to see you back amongst us @Perilagu_Khan. Please know you were much missed! :)

    Thank you kindly, Dragon. I'll shoot in and out if I have anything remotely interesting to say. And, of course, as B24 hots up I'll be around some.

    Glad to hear it! :)
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,138
    Nice observation @Perilagu_Khan ,nice to see you're still with us.
    Surely it can't be a coincidence. It always reminds me of 'The Third Man' when they go to Prater park.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    The Third Man reference is in there without a doubt - pretty blatant. But the little Bernard Lee dialogue ref is not something I'd spotted and you can totally imagine everyone involved wanting that there as a nod to the absent actor. Nice touch.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,280
    Getafix wrote: »
    The Third Man reference is in there without a doubt - pretty blatant. But the little Bernard Lee dialogue ref is not something I'd spotted and you can totally imagine everyone involved wanting that there as a nod to the absent actor. Nice touch.

    Yes, I think that I may have noticed this when I bought the DVD of The Third Man in 2005 and that was when I last watched it. I really do need to watch it again but I remember it was brilliant, plus the screenplay was written by Graham Greene.
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