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It really resonated to me for what Superman committed to specific to Lois Lane.
And as @MakeshiftPython explained, such a major event should at least have been considered in the next film.
But again, I put it on the sequels for not showing consequences. The whole point of it in the first film is that Superman loves Lois so much that he’s willing to break the laws of psychics just to get her back. It doesn’t even seem like he makes that decision to restore California, that just happens to be a byproduct of Superman’s selfish desires.
In SUPERMAN II he was supposed to reverse time because the super villains had destroyed most of Earth in their world tour of bad will, while Superman was preoccupied with Lois in the Fortress. It was in that instance that Superman was putting the world ahead of Lois, and that he was going to sacrifice his entire time with her in order to restore the world. That’s another reason why it doesn’t work in Donner’s Cut because he never got to film any of Zod’s world rampage, so you never get a sense of how destructive they were. And because he didn’t film all the stuff for the time reversal, it just feels like it comes out of nowhere.
The Donner footage should have always just been bonus content for a special edition DVD. There was never enough to try to make his cut work.
That’s why I like the ending of Man Of Steel better.It was a tough decision for Supes to make and there were consequences to that action in BVS.
That was something I was really looking forward to with BvS. Sort of like how STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS was gonna address whether Kirk was promoted too fast, which was an ending from ST09 heavily debated among fans.
Superman: The Movie is my all time favourite movie. Many others like the Apes movies, Logan's Run, Westworld, Star Wars, Blade Runner and Jones continue to freak me.
Well, as I explained, it's a great movie in my book. But far from the best. Tonally uneven. That second half just doesn't live up to the pure epicness of the first half. Still a whole lot better than anything I've seen in the entire MCU.
Blade Runner, by the way, is my second favorite film of all time.
“There’s only one ‘p’ in ‘rapist’.”
And not to belabor a point, but in isolation, I like that second half too. 'Screwball comedy' is an apt description, by the way. My problem is that it doesn't belong in the same movie as the first half. Imagine if CR turned into MR halfway through the film. I love both films, but they have no business being in the same whole. They're just too tonally different. Perhaps I'm just too sensitive about that. ;-)
I really don't mind a good comedy. The opening sequence of Superman III is one of the best comedy bits I've ever seen: I enjoy it every time. And then Richard Pryor comes along and... oh well, a good debate for another time. I simply wish STM could have stayed at that epic, almost biblical level it starts with.
But I'm not going to die on this hill. I don't hate the second half and I certainly don't hate STM. It really is one of the best superhero films ever made. I just don't think of it as the very best of the bunch.
Refresh me DD, what's your first? Alien? Austen Powers?
Alien could have been the answer. Austin? Not so much. ;-)
No, it's 2001: A Space Odyssey. That film has an almost indescribable effect on me. I typically give it six stars out of five, just to prove a point. ;-)
It IS probably objectively the best SF film ever.
Ultimately, I don’t want a Superman film that feels TOO self serious. That’s something Bryan Singer missed.
I dunno if I would compare the tone with MR. British humor of that era seemed to be more about visual gags, which Lewis Gilbert’s Bonds, Richard Lester’s Supermans, Mike Hodges’ Flash Gordon go wild for. Donner’s humor is more verbal and he won’t let characters go without having a sparing contest, which is why Mankiewicz was perfect for the rewrites.
The Mankiewicz Bonds are definitely more closer to Donner’s Superman when it comes to that verbal wit. Charles Gray’s Blofeld even feels like a precursor to Hackman’s Lex Luthor. Menace but also flamboyant. “If we destroyed Kansas the world may not hear about it for years.” But that’s directed by Guy Hamilton, who didn’t really care about giving Bond the kind of scope that Donner did for Supes.
Wow, well thought out!!
I have a whole shelf dedicated to Christopher Reeve Superman, my movie room is full of Superman and Batman prints (and Bond) lol. The other films you mention I have them all, it was a great era for cinema.
This puts a smile on my face. :D
SUPERMAN THE MOVIE is the film that ignited my love for cinema.
I really need to upgrade and get a new copy. At the moment, I only have the 2000 DVD edition.
I got this one. 3 hours. The extra shots of Otis walking are a bit much, but lots of great other stuff in it! It's the only version I watch now! https://www.amazon.com/Superman-Movie-Extended-Special-Collection/dp/B075TDZV1P
Me too. It's a great edition. But yes, Otis. I really don't like that character.
That's a great observation. Also, I'm more increasingly of the mind that Goldfinger was a bit of a fluke for Hamilton, as I'm not sure any of his other films are terribly great and may have been better with other directors. Well, I like Funeral in Berlin, I'll give him that.
That soundtrack is amazing. What Williams does with The Fortress Of Solitude scene is just incredible. Moves me to tears. I know that not everyone loves John Williams the way I do, but I doubt that many will disagree with the pivotal role he played in adding magic to this movie.
I definitely love John Williams the way you do! ;) but seriously, his scores have been emotionally stirring since my earliest years, and I've often found myself tearing up at several tracks of several scores. His action themes are fantastic, of course, but I'm always most into his songs when they reflect a sad mood, like the track for Jonathan Kent's death. You really feel it all through the music.