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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    This is why more of Superman's villains need to be brought into further media. They all can give him (and Supergirl) a physical and mental beating. Lex and Zod are easy uses and lazy excuses for those two to fight for a media event.

    To be fair, post-Crisis Lex is a far more important and prominent side character to be featured. He doesn’t always have to be used as the main antagonist.
    Also, the airplane rescue in Superman Returns is one of my dad's favorite superhero moments in general. For all the movie's flaws, that is the one moment of the movie that a lot of people think is great.

    It’s crazy that for RETURNS the movie peaks 30 minutes in with that plane sequence and the film never has anything as exhilarating ever again.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    That film almost felt like it had a few false finishes. It overstayed its welcome by the end. A shame really as I thought Routh did a nice job in the lead role. Liked Spacey as Luthor. Lois Lane was all right. The cast was pretty good overall, but that script needed some editing and a lot of re-work to the final act.

    That airplane save was an amazing sequence. Well done and it tells a great story. After that though the film seems to be become a slog.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I do feel bad for Routh not just because he couldn’t continue the part, but his actual role in SR is pretty thankless. Superman is a very passive character in the film. There’s a real imbalanced focus on characters. I think we learn more about Lois, Lex, and the fiancé Richard than we ever get much from Superman. He’s way too distant not just from other characters but from even the audience.

    I remember one of the things that was remarkable in SCOTT PILGRIM VS THE WORLD was just how funny Routh actually was. The guy had comedic chops that could have been well utilized as Superman, who’s supposed to have a pretty engaging personality. In SR he’s just written as too quiet and brooding.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I prefer that a superhero nor have unlimited strength and abilities. "Superman Returns" is a perfect example; I absolutely love the sequence where he saves the falling jet, but I hate when he lifts an entire island. I think the saving of the plane should be the absolute limit of his strength.

    Yeah the jet bit is great; I love that it shows one of Superman’s limitations, in that he might be really strong, but if you pick up something like a jet from such a small load point as one man’s hands, that’s too much pressure in one spot and the plane will break! Even if he’s strong enough to pick up a mountain, the mountain will fall apart.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I do feel bad for Routh not just because he couldn’t continue the part, but his actual role in SR is pretty thankless. Superman is a very passive character in the film. There’s a real imbalanced focus on characters. I think we learn more about Lois, Lex, and the fiancé Richard than we ever get much from Superman. He’s way too distant not just from other characters but from even the audience.

    I remember one of the things that was remarkable in SCOTT PILGRIM VS THE WORLD was just how funny Routh actually was. The guy had comedic chops that could have been well utilized as Superman, who’s supposed to have a pretty engaging personality. In SR he’s just written as too quiet and brooding.

    I don’t think it helps that he’s supposed to be playing the Christopher Reeve interpretation - that’s an invitation for unnecessary comparisons off the bat.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I do feel bad for Routh not just because he couldn’t continue the part, but his actual role in SR is pretty thankless. Superman is a very passive character in the film. There’s a real imbalanced focus on characters. I think we learn more about Lois, Lex, and the fiancé Richard than we ever get much from Superman. He’s way too distant not just from other characters but from even the audience.

    I remember one of the things that was remarkable in SCOTT PILGRIM VS THE WORLD was just how funny Routh actually was. The guy had comedic chops that could have been well utilized as Superman, who’s supposed to have a pretty engaging personality. In SR he’s just written as too quiet and brooding.

    I don’t think it helps that he’s supposed to be playing the Christopher Reeve interpretation - that’s an invitation for unnecessary comparisons off the bat.

    That's because Returns was supposed to retcon Superman 3 & 4 as non-canon.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited April 7 Posts: 25,843
    And Superman Returns is a direct sequel to Superman 2 Donner Cut as one vital change happens in the Donner cut with regards to Superman's son.

    Superman 2 Mortal Clark sleeps with Lois
    Superman 2 Donner Cut Superman sleeps with Lois.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
    edited April 7 Posts: 1,194
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    And Superman Returns is a direct sequel to Superman 2 Donner Cut as one vital change happens in the Donner cut with regards to Superman's son.

    Superman 2 Mortal Clark sleeps with Lois
    Superman 2 Donner Cut Superman sleeps with Lois.

    Interesting. Reminded me of this 1989 commercial.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    TheSkyfallen06 wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    And Superman Returns is a direct sequel to Superman 2 Donner Cut as one vital change happens in the Donner cut with regards to Superman's son.

    Superman 2 Mortal Clark sleeps with Lois
    Superman 2 Donner Cut Superman sleeps with Lois.

    Interesting. Reminded me of this 1989 commercial.

    Brilliant.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 7 Posts: 17,855

    Wow that is a hell of a strapline for a commercial. What were they thinking.
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    And Superman Returns is a direct sequel to Superman 2 Donner Cut as one vital change happens in the Donner cut with regards to Superman's son.

    Superman 2 Mortal Clark sleeps with Lois
    Superman 2 Donner Cut Superman sleeps with Lois.

    I didn't realise that, that's interesting.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited April 7 Posts: 25,843
    mtm wrote: »
    Wow that is a hell of a strapline for a commercial. What were they thinking.
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    And Superman Returns is a direct sequel to Superman 2 Donner Cut as one vital change happens in the Donner cut with regards to Superman's son.

    Superman 2 Mortal Clark sleeps with Lois
    Superman 2 Donner Cut Superman sleeps with Lois.

    I didn't realise that, that's interesting.

    Lester actually shot the bed scene though the Donner Cut moved said scene before Kal/Superman confronts Jor El and has his powers removed.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    And Superman Returns is a direct sequel to Superman 2 Donner Cut as one vital change happens in the Donner cut with regards to Superman's son.

    Superman 2 Mortal Clark sleeps with Lois
    Superman 2 Donner Cut Superman sleeps with Lois.

    To be clear, Singer made the film without the Donner cut in mind. The Donner cut wasn’t actually assembled until after Singer had shot his film, and the Donner cut was just following the Mankiewicz script’s structure rather than trying to correlate with what Singer did. That’s why we see Lois wake up to Clark talking with Jor-El while wearing the top of his Superman suit.

    Which reminds me, it’s a shame Donner didn’t shoot enough coverage of Lois wearing his shirt. He only got this one angle her watching Clark talking to Jor-El and then seeing the console explode. No doubt Donner would have shot more close ups if he weren’t fired.


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  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Looks great.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Why do I get the feeling that too much is being crammed in to this film? So many characters will Superman be the focus or will all these other heroes get their screen time?

    I think of The Flash TV show where by the end it was a show about this team and it happened to have the Flash in it. Yet the show was called "The Flash".

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I watched this earlier, I liked the behind the scenes glimpses but there's some really fake and very corporate 'off the cuff' stuff in there from the actors.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    thedove wrote: »
    Why do I get the feeling that too much is being crammed in to this film? So many characters will Superman be the focus or will all these other heroes get their screen time?

    I think of The Flash TV show where by the end it was a show about this team and it happened to have the Flash in it. Yet the show was called "The Flash".

    I just wish that the over-stuffing of characters was Superman villains from the comics. It would feel fresh for a Superman movie, for a change. Also, Krypto is a nice change.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    mtm wrote: »
    I watched this earlier, I liked the behind the scenes glimpses but there's some really fake and very corporate 'off the cuff' stuff in there from the actors.

    Yeah, kinda like when they did that Harry Potter reunion and the actors were all pretending to bump into eachother in the banquet Hall and the hogwarts express.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    thedove wrote: »
    Why do I get the feeling that too much is being crammed in to this film? So many characters will Superman be the focus or will all these other heroes get their screen time?

    I think of The Flash TV show where by the end it was a show about this team and it happened to have the Flash in it. Yet the show was called "The Flash".

    My understanding is that this movie is gonna be more like a series of vignettes, with each segment covering a different day of Superman’s week. For example, Superman fights a kaiju on Monday, meets up with Green Lantern on Tuesday, meets up with Mister Terrific on Wednesday, etc.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Interesting @MakeshiftPython that intrigues me. Sounds like that they are building in that the audience knows Superman and his universe quite well? Or there is some exposition that explains it?

    I hope that Superman is the star of his own film and not the second banana to all these other characters.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited April 19 Posts: 8,575
    Yeah they’re skipping the origin story in favor of Superman having been firmly established. Sort of like how THE BATMAN went ahead showing Pattinson’s Batman already two years in.

    Makes me hope that with the next Bond they take that approach of him already having been a 00 agent for some time.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited April 26 Posts: 25,843
    Bought Lois and Clark complete series Boxset today (I already own the show in a different set). It's been a few years since I watched it, the pilot is so much fun they really knocked it out of the park. Great snappy dialogue and the characters are pretty much all developed within the first 40 minutes.
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