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Of course locations can be used for brief scenes. The African location in CR used for Le Chiffre's entrance. It isn't necessarilly about Bond Globehopping.
It was truly pathetic in QOS. It is the shortest film in the franchise, and on top of that, it is the film with the most locations in the franchise ! So of course the locations were going to be underused. QOS is a travesty of Bond globetrotting. It's a blatant rip-off of Bourne... and Bourne does it better.
I don't want more than 2 major locations in B23. Anymore than that, and the film will be a huge turd.
6 location changes in 50 minutes... that is an average of 8 minutes per country... Factually that is pathetic. Maybe the locations look good, but that much change in such a short amount of time is factually totally un-Bond like. I hope it never happens again. The globe-trotting in QOS is factually much closer to Bourne than traditional Bond... I do not want a 2nd Bourne film in the franchise.
Bond: "Q! The time instrument panel's gone on the blink again!"
Q: "Hit the panel 007!"
*Bond hits the panel, the display re-appears and Bond inputs the correct time co-ordinates*
Bond: "Let's see what this baby does at 88 M.P.H!"
I guess we know Bond will be driving a heavily modified DeLorean then.
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DaltonCraig007, you should be waterboarded for such heresy. No, if you didn't like the locations then fine. Though I thought they made good use of the locations. I was thoroughly impressed with the Bregenz floating opera stage. Surely, one of the best scenes from Craig's two films? The way he micturates over Quantum's machiavellian meeting never fails to entertain me.
The only person obsessed with Bourne seems to be you. Constantly demanding that 'I want this...I want that' isn't constructive and has become tiresome. QOS was what it was, B23 will be different no doubt.
:-)) NicNac, that was the absolutely perfect answer! I couldn't stop laughing because that was the first thing I thought too. Really, we have a single source for this info and only one film location (India) with any reasonable confirmation. Let's see what happens first. I really do not understand how people like DC get so hot and judgmental before knowing some facts and seeing a finished product. I'd love to see Bond deep undercover in China (and maybe a Chinese girl while he's at it), and the Great Wall would be a breathtaking location to use.
Hey Dimi, are you listening? I rest my case :-j
How can you compare MR's locations with QOS's ? It's totally pointless and meaningless to do so, as they are complete oposits. MR's locations serve the epic, grand scale adventure, while QOS' locations make the film turn towards Jason Bourne territory.
I could accept your point regarding the length of time spent in the various locations though, it is a good one. I'll be fair, I'd also like to see them spend a little more time in the various locales. The problem with your arguments most of the time is that your good points get overshadowed by all the conclusions you jump to with very little thought as to the responses you may get. You don't know where they will be filming or how much will be filmed there, so why take the low road? I thought QOS had some great locations too. My friend, sometimes less is more- and that applies to music as well. Try and look at things with a little more of a positive view and maybe others will be more inclined to see things your way rather than making you the butt of jokes.
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Sam Mendes - check
Rachel Weisz - check (well she married Bond, close enough)
Now to have Duran Duran do another theme tune would fulfill my main wishes for B23.
You seem to paraphrasse every argument with the squeak "I dont want another Bourne!" "Bourne does it better" as if this is a trump card argument and "You dont want it like this!" "You dont want it like that!" as if you are stamping your feet. Can you see another point of view? You seem to base your argument on the amount of time Bond spends in each locale. Maybe you shoud try the way the locale was used within those minutes ie the excellent Palio or the floating opera house.
Lastly, the Moonraker argument is a valid one. The locations, score and SFX are the saving grace of Moonraker and the reason most of us enjoy it. But it does move from one location to another very quickly. I have always thought that Venice or California could be cut out but they are excellent cinematic locations. Live and Let Die whizzed from one location to another as did Bond speeding around South East Asia in TMWTGG.
Bond films have a long tradition of multiple locations.
I agree and disagree with you on this one...
i do too find it annoying that the recent Bond films feature a lot more globetrotting than the previous Bond films - not enough time is spent in these locations to really give of sense of "being there", if that makes sense?.. the older Bond films presented locations as full course meals, where recently - it seems like they are treated like appetizers - a small sampling before moving on.... QOS bothered me in this respect because it seemed they just threw in locations just to have them... did they really need to fly out of Haiti, to Bregenz, and then back to Bolivia?... probably not... it's like an effort had to be made to keep track of where Bond was at at all times - but, that might have been due to length of the film itself, not the number of locations.....
so with that being said.......
You are wrong when you say that Quantum Of Solace had the most locations in any Bond film.....
Quantum Of Solace had 5...
Siena, Italy
Haiti
Bregenz
Bolivia
Kazan, Russia
Casino Royale had 8...
Prague
Africa
Madagascar
Nassau
Miami
Montenegro
Lake Como, Italy
Venice, Italy
so you are off by quite a bit on this one.... so really - your argument about number of locations is moot and pointless... maybe it's how the locations are used?? - just a thought..
with that said.... I don't think the number of locations in a film necessarily spells doom and gloom for a film - forgive me, because i know we'll disagree on this also (like other stuff lol)... but there is much that goes into the success or failure of a movie, than just how many locations they use.... it depends on how they are used, and to what extent... while i do agree that QOS jumped around a lot - it did not have the most locations in any Bond film - as obviously CR had more.... hell, even Moonraker had more locations than QOS.... it only seemed that way, probably because of what they were trying to cram into so short of a Bond film.
Yes, CR had more... but it seems with the long run time the movie stayed longer in locations than QOS.
I think with the short run-time of QOS, a minimal amount of locations should have been used. That is a non-argument... Are you even aware of the enormity of that argument ? I guess you haven't watched any Bond film from 1962 to about 1974.
Like anything else in a film, it's *how* they do it, not the *what* that they are doing which is important (IMHO, of course). There were a great number of locations in CR and they all looked amazing and were presented extremely well. QoS was a different type of film and the locations were shot in a different way but they were still presented well - Haiti was not as glamourous as the Bahamas in CR but it wasn't meant to be. As someone said there was a real Graham Greene feel about some of the locations in QoS.
My instinct is to have fewer locations in a Bond film but if they are used well - not necessarily in a glamorous way, but well - then I won't complain.
If South Africa is also a location ? Put India in PTS, and give S.Africa the 50 minutes sequence and end with the 1 hour sequence of China. Such a film would enter my top 10 easily !! And if M stays in London, and there is Q/Moneypenny scene... top 5 material !!
So... S.Africa, China and India... Enough locations for B23. Don't want a 4th one.
Marc Forster stated: "since travelling the world had become less exotic since the series' advent, it made sense to focus more on Bond as a character." No. No. No. Mr. Forster! You miss the entire point of the series. Times weren't any better in the early 60's. Bond was an escape from all the turmoil at home since during and after the War at that time. Current socio-economic times are still not that great, and certainly a lot worse in the past few years with the economic crisis. We don't need more dire scenes like the ones we saw in QOS: the impoverished streets of Haiti or the barren deserts of Bolivia. A Bond film should take us away. Having something grand and exotic like the Great Wall of China or India or South Africa and having our hero interact in such an environment is what we need right about now.
There are several scenes in QOS that simply aren't recognizable from other action movies. Take the Palio chase, the boat chase and the plane chase. What is Bondian about those ? There's no Bond theme, no gadgets, Bond doesn't throw a one-liner at the end, and there are no 'lighthearted/funny' moments in them. What differenciates the chase scene in Sienna from Bourne film or a Statham film, for instance ?
I am, for one, very tired of seeing the franchise become unrecognizable from other action films. This is factually true for certain action scenes in QOS. I do agree that Bond needed to tone down the OTT after Brosnan. But you cannot just strip away all the Bond traditions. QOS is simply not a Bond film, IMO. For B23, bring back the one-liners, the Bond theme full blast BEFORE the end credits, the gadgets (even if they are realistic and down-to-earth) and the lighthearted/funny moments. Don't go all Brosnan on us again and have a cliche-ticking-list for B23... But bring the traditions back so I can understand I am watching a Bond film.
If EON continues to make other QOS films... Stop the franchise on the spot. Why bother continuing making further outings, if they are only Bond by name, and aren't actual Bond films ?
People say Craig is similar to Dalton... Not true. Atleast Dalton's films had the traditional elements... Even LTK. Dalton had the Bond theme during action scenes, had blatant humourous moments, had the gadgets, had Moneypenny, had Q, had the gun-barrel at the start...
When you are making an action scene that stricly has no traditional elements in it... You are not making a Bond film, atleast not during that particular scene.
If Brosnan had done as many as Moore he'd have lost me after DAD.
Dalton Have faith I always like to wait and see before i suggest what is good or bad. I mean for all we know The Great wall motor cycle sequences is the pre title sequence (tracking down one of the people at the opera house in Quantum of Solace i can't remember his name He was the one who owned most of the mines in Siberia I think You all know who I'm talking about) then after he is killed mission proper starts after the pre title sequence we get London (for briefing) then South Africa and India.
As for M staying In London I would love that however Q and Moneypeny should only be in the script if they work. For me the tracer in arm sequence in the Bahamas and the money laundering sequence were Q scenes I'd even bring that guy in the tweed jacket back from quantum of Solace and call him Q (brownie points if you can give me the actors name) as for Moneypenny she needs to be redesigned a bit i think for the 21st century She just seemed the weakest most forced and annoying parts of the Brosnan era so perhaps her as an Internet Junkie working in Q branch giving bond background on a character that could work but if they are going the forced Brosnan era route then please leave her out of the film.
Oh and hold em as Craig Bond's game of choice if fleming were alive he would of changed bond's game at some point probably much earlier then the producers did.
My thoughts like them or hate them.