Is 'For Your Eyes Only' the most boring James Bond film?

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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    bondsum wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    There must be more to that alternative ,that must be a raw experiment !!
    A raw experiment? No, it's a demo of Cont's first stab at the FYEO song, before he was told to go away and improve on it.

    Does anyone remember Sheena Easton singing FYEO at the Oscars in 82 with Jaws, Oddjob, Blofeld and Dr No alongside her on stage? God, it was cheesy, but the audience seemed to lap it up at the time. It was around this period it became embarrassing to be a Bond fan. Here's the video if you haven't seen it. It's poor quality, but it's the only one I could find...


    I remember watching that. It seems dreadful now.
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    Forgot to mention: 'For Your Eyes Only' might definitely be the most boring title track. Like a slower, wispier version of 'All Time High,' which, for me, is not a good thing.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I've never liked the song itself, but I like how Conti incorporated it into his score with a bit of Greek flavour thrown in.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    I've always like the "For Your Eyes Only" song and "All Time High."

    Anyway, for the longest time FYEO was at the bottom of my list. The last time I did a Bond ranking list I had moved it up to my second to last place, with AVTAK at the bottom. I have a feeling it's since moved up a spot or two. Every time I watch it I seem to enjoy it a bit more. I still don't like the anti-climatic ending though. It's probably one of the reasons I have a hard time ranking it higher than I do.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    SP, I'm afraid, is the most boring Bond film. The climb up the mountain in FYEO has more tension and urgency than the entirety of SP.
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    Getafix wrote: »
    I was about to say - TWINE bores the socks off me.
    Connery didn't shoot Lippe.

    Craig didn't shoot Dominic Greene.

    It doesn't always have to come down to unqualified violence, as that is not the Bond character.

    The scene would have been less effective if he had merely shot him (although he did manage to get a shot earlier in the scene).

    And again, the Moore films are bad in YOUR eyes.

    'Bad in your eyes only', surely?
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    bondsum wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    There must be more to that alternative ,that must be a raw experiment !!
    A raw experiment? No, it's a demo of Cont's first stab at the FYEO song, before he was told to go away and improve on it.

    Does anyone remember Sheena Easton singing FYEO at the Oscars in 82 with Jaws, Oddjob, Blofeld and Dr No alongside her on stage? God, it was cheesy, but the audience seemed to lap it up at the time. It was around this period it became embarrassing to be a Bond fan. Here's the video if you haven't seen it. It's poor quality, but it's the only one I could find...


    This reminds me of the sort of thing Alan Partridge/Steve Coogan parodied in Knowing Me, Knowing You.
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    Starting to think that I may have got this film wrong....I thought the tone was all over the place. It's trying to be 'serious' and 'funny' - which doesn't and shouldn't work.

    However, that's not what the film is trying to do.

    It certainly wants to be taken more seriously, but fundamentally it wants audiences to know that it's still a Bond film. Therefore, there is a lightness of touch and a sense of humour. Albeit, with a sense of mischief.

    Perhaps that is embodied best in the opening, which is both dour and cheeky....or even the Citroen chase. It's a thrilling chase, but it has a sense of humour.

    Does anyone agree with this assessment? Or is the film tonally all over the place?

    Also, the wardrode is quite dodgy in this film. Look at these outfits:

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  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    It's difficult for me to not compare it to Moonraker. It's like going from a fully loaded ice cream sundae to a bowl of plain vanilla.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    No. It’s Roger’s second best film after LALD.

    For Your Eyes Only grounds the franchise after the space oddity of Moonraker but the changes, while admirable, aren’t a cause for complete celebration. Under pressure to restore credibility, the franchise harks back to its golden years without quite convincing anyone that a full overhaul is in progress. Reactive more than proactive, but For Your Eyes Only is a step back in right direction towards a Fleming inspired story.

    It’s a good Bond film with some classic moments and a welcome darker tone for Roger’s Bond.
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    Starting to think that I may have got this film wrong....I thought the tone was all over the place. It's trying to be 'serious' and 'funny' - which doesn't and shouldn't work.

    However, that's not what the film is trying to do.

    It certainly wants to be taken more seriously, but fundamentally it wants audiences to know that it's still a Bond film. Therefore, there is a lightness of touch and a sense of humour. Albeit, with a sense of mischief.

    Perhaps that is embodied best in the opening, which is both dour and cheeky....or even the Citroen chase. It's a thrilling chase, but it has a sense of humour.

    Does anyone agree with this assessment? Or is the film tonally all over the place?

    Also, the wardrode is quite dodgy in this film. Look at these outfits:

    For-Your-Eyes-Only-0935.jpg
    It's a good question. I kinda' feel it's tonally all over the place. For every scene that has some suspense or tension there seems to be a joke or comic scene squeezed in and I end up feeling so many of these are unnecessary.

    Take the pretitles: Here we have Bond's biggest enemy, we're reminded a few minutes before he killed Bond's wife and it's time for closure. Instead, we get cheap quips about his head and delicatessens and dumped in a smokestack. I wasn't expecting a YOLT novel form of revenge and I know he wasn't able to be referenced by name due to legal matters with McClory and all that, but if so why not just scrap the thing altogether?

    The hockey scene, which was discussed in another thread recently, is another great example of this. The car chase is original but also dependent on the levity along with the thrills.

    Then there's the ski chase which has to toss in the tumbling beginning skiers and the inevitable guy with the drink back for his third film. It's capped by that final scene when Kriegler picks up the motorcycle and tosses it at Bond. What the hell was that? Was it meant to be a build-up of rage or did he think he was going to somehow hit Bond? It's a real WTF moment.

    As far as the wardrobes, I couldn't exactly seen Bond scaling the cliff in a tux. There are plenty of decent costumes. I particularly like Bond on the beach still in his tux when attacked.
    It's difficult for me to not compare it to Moonraker. It's like going from a fully loaded ice cream sundae to a bowl of plain vanilla.

    Same here. Seeing MR in the summer of '79 was what made me the Bond fan I am today and watching FYEO 2 years later was a let-down. It remains in the lower rungs of my favorite Bond films while MR still delivers the fun.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    I must say that ever since FYEO came out, it has kept changing places with TSWLM for being the best Roger Moore entry of the series IMO. That was after I refused to even see MR at the cinema (and this was before I had the opportunity to obtain a video recorder) because I thought the Star Wars ripoff attempt was too obvious and the idea of Bond going into space laser wars too ludicrous. I'm a bit more critical of FYEO by now, but boring? No way. (Plus, I'm about to like MR better than TSWLM forty-some years later...)

    The sole film of the series I'd consider boring at times is, you guessed it, TB. But I'm rather resistent against "boring" movies, and it takes a lot more ennui to make me turn it off. so all is not lost.
  • edited March 2020 Posts: 7,507
    FYEO boring?? Perhaps if you have ADHD, I don´t know. However if you are able to follow a story, enjoy watching glorious locations and great action scenes, definitely not!

    There is only one scene I think is dragging a bit, and that´s the overlong underwater action scene. Quite unecessary and badly done. The film has plenty of good action elsewhere, and Bond and Melina retrieving the Atac from the shipwreck was exciting enough as it was. Apart from that I think the film is brilliantly paced - which is not something you can say about every Bond film...
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    @Pierce2Daniel I used to disparage it for tonal inconsistencies, but I now see it as juggling the two (Fleming and Moore's incarnation of Bond, to be specific) a bit more fluidly. I think they key to that puzzle is Moore and his performance. If he played it like he did in, say, Moonraker, it would probably ruin the film and its attempts to ground the story/characters a bit more. But if he played it completely the opposite way, the character as we recognize him (as played by Moore) would be completely gone, and that would likely ruin the film as well.

    I see FYEO as a largely successful synthesis of tones. It's a Moore Bond film first, albeit one that draws more heavily on Fleming. It works for me, but I understand why it doesn't work for everyone.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    Starting to think that I may have got this film wrong.... It certainly wants to be taken more seriously, but fundamentally it wants audiences to know that it's still a Bond film. Therefore, there is a lightness of touch and a sense of humour. Albeit, with a sense of mischief.


    Does anyone agree with this assessment? Or is the film tonally all over the place?

    =D> Yes, I agree and I'm glad that you reassessed the film and found a new appreciation for it.

    I see FYEO as a largely successful synthesis of tones. It's a Moore Bond film first, albeit one that draws more heavily on Fleming.

    Well said.

    Also, when mentioning the choice of clothes, it was the early 80's. What do you want?

    As far as the complaints about Moore not liking the scene where he kicks Locque off the cliff... It's called acting. Who cares about his personal feelings? Not only did he pull it off, but it's one of his finest moments as Bond. He gave a great performance in this film that is underrated by some fans if I'm honest.

    Yes, the film has some unnecessary "humor" in it. If that's a deal breaker for you then so be it, but you're missing out on a real gem.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    For Your Eyes Only was the exact right film to follow up the over-the-top, laser-gun-battles-in-space, pigeon-double-taking ridiculousness of Moonraker. Call it boring? I call it laid-back fun.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    pachazo wrote: »
    Starting to think that I may have got this film wrong.... It certainly wants to be taken more seriously, but fundamentally it wants audiences to know that it's still a Bond film. Therefore, there is a lightness of touch and a sense of humour. Albeit, with a sense of mischief.


    Does anyone agree with this assessment? Or is the film tonally all over the place?

    =D> Yes, I agree and I'm glad that you reassessed the film and found a new appreciation for it.

    I see FYEO as a largely successful synthesis of tones. It's a Moore Bond film first, albeit one that draws more heavily on Fleming.

    Well said.

    Also, when mentioning the choice of clothes, it was the early 80's. What do you want?

    As far as the complaints about Moore not liking the scene where he kicks Locque off the cliff... It's called acting. Who cares about his personal feelings? Not only did he pull it off, but it's one of his finest moments as Bond. He gave a great performance in this film that is underrated by some fans if I'm honest.

    Yes, the film has some unnecessary "humor" in it. If that's a deal breaker for you then so be it, but you're missing out on a real gem.

    +1. It’s a great Bond film.
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    Boring? No. Deliberately understated? Yes.

    After the gross excesses of MR, at times the low-key nature of FYEO does come across as “throwing the baby out with the bathwater.” Not only will we not show a pigeon doing a fake double-take, but we’ll just show it walking around instead!

    That said, I find FYEO to be one of Roger’s best Bond performances and a film that is usually in my top 10. My only real knock against it is that I’ve never completely accepted Conti’s score – too 80 ish.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    FYEO isn’t the most boring Bond movie, I will say it is the least memorable for me. Personal opinion, of course.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    FYEO isn’t the most boring Bond movie, I will say it is the least memorable for me. Personal opinion, of course.

    I absolutely agree. It's probably the least thought about film in the series for me and probably the one I've watched the least amount of times.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I do really like it, and I think it has the best action scenes in the whole series up until the Brosnans, but there is something a little less glossy, a little duller about it. Octopussy get the balance just right if you ask me: it takes the FYEO tone and relaxes just a little backwards towards Moonraker fun- it pops a little more glitter on top :)

    But I do really enjoy FYEO! I return to it all the time.

    Is it the only Bond film to have a pre-titles sequence that genuinely has nothing to do with the main plot at all? Other than it's got Bond in it! :) Even Goldfinger leaves Bond to travel on to Miami to meet Goldfinger himself. Actually I guess Thunderball :)
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I rather liked the suggestion that someone had on the Bond and Friends podcast who suggested a double bill of OHMSS and FYEO. I think it would play rather nicely. I remember a quote of Richard Maibaum that FYEO starred Moore's stunt double. It becomes painfully obvious that Moore isn't in a lot of the action scenes in any shape or form. Even jumping with the umbrella you can clearly see it's not Moore. That to me ruins the realism of the film.

    Another thing that I often recall is Glen and Moore having an argument about Loque going over the cliff. Moore wanted it to be caused by Bond flipping the Dove pin at Loque. I can't imagine the scene playing out that way. Moore brought a lot to the role but playing Bond tough wasn't one of the things he brought. When you look at the timeline of things Moore's contract was finished with MR. I personally think Wilson and Maibaum were writing the movie for another actor in the role. It has many of the touches of a Bond. It was Moore's first card gambling scene and only one if memory serves. It references Tracy Bond and has a thinly disguised Blofeld. To me it was written for another Bond. I would have loved to see this film with Dalton in the role. To me it needed what Dalton could bring to the character.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Doesn’t tossing the pin in actually cause the car to fall? I’m sure it’s only then that you hear the rocks shifting and the car starts to move. He just gives it an extra kick to help it on its way.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    mtm wrote: »
    Doesn’t tossing the pin in actually cause the car to fall? I’m sure it’s only then that you hear the rocks shifting and the car starts to move. He just gives it an extra kick to help it on its way.

    I remember watching for this last time I watched FYEO which was pretty recently, and it was in fact the kick that sent it over the edge. The car's precarious position on the edge of the cliff, and Locque moving around in the car did 98% of the work, and the kick was the last straw. I don't think the pin moved the car at all (but would have been great if this is what did it).
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    mtm wrote: »
    Doesn’t tossing the pin in actually cause the car to fall? I’m sure it’s only then that you hear the rocks shifting and the car starts to move. He just gives it an extra kick to help it on its way.

    I remember watching for this last time I watched FYEO which was pretty recently, and it was in fact the kick that sent it over the edge. The car's precarious position on the edge of the cliff, and Locque moving around in the car did 98% of the work, and the kick was the last straw. I don't think the pin moved the car at all (but would have been great if this is what did it).

    No I don’t think so: the car is still, he tosses the pin in, you hear rocks moving, it cuts to the car wheel with rocks giving way under it and the car starting to slide, and he kicks it after it’s moving. Have a watch:
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    It's the kick that everyone remembers and loves about the scene. Moore didn't want to do the kick. That to me sums up Moore's view of Bond. He didn't play him like a killer. He played him for laughs and with tongue firmly in cheek. Can you imagine Moore shooting Professor Dent? Or how about the fight with Grant? No way Moore could play those scenes believably.

    I enjoy FYEO, I just wish it had a Bond to match.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Nah Roger’s great in it, just as he always was. I certainly wouldn’t remove a single one of his performances!

    The kick in that scene has always seemed a bit redundant to me: because the car was already sliding off! :)
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Doesn’t tossing the pin in actually cause the car to fall? I’m sure it’s only then that you hear the rocks shifting and the car starts to move. He just gives it an extra kick to help it on its way.

    I remember watching for this last time I watched FYEO which was pretty recently, and it was in fact the kick that sent it over the edge. The car's precarious position on the edge of the cliff, and Locque moving around in the car did 98% of the work, and the kick was the last straw. I don't think the pin moved the car at all (but would have been great if this is what did it).

    No I don’t think so: the car is still, he tosses the pin in, you hear rocks moving, it cuts to the car wheel with rocks giving way under it and the car starting to slide, and he kicks it after it’s moving. Have a watch:

    I stand corrected!
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    thedove wrote: »
    It's the kick that everyone remembers and loves about the scene. Moore didn't want to do the kick. That to me sums up Moore's view of Bond. He didn't play him like a killer. He played him for laughs and with tongue firmly in cheek. Can you imagine Moore shooting Professor Dent? Or how about the fight with Grant? No way Moore could play those scenes believably.

    I enjoy FYEO, I just wish it had a Bond to match.


    I think Moore nailed the role in FYEO. I think it´s his best performance as Bond and the one that shows he in fact had a great range as an actor.

    His greatest weakness was action. Looking at the footage om him running makes it look very obvious. So slow and clumsy... Imagine the urgency Dan or Tim would have had running those stairs. Well, well... I still love the guy. RIP
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Roger just couldn’t run for some reason; he looks very odd! :) There are inly a few shots of him running in the Bond films because he looked so strange! :D
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