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You made my day with this remark @TripAces :-). It's exactly the point I wanted to make. I mentioned the example of Craig's slim-fit suits in "Skyfall" (original?) as compared to Craig's white dinner-jacket in "SPECTRE" (un-original?).
In the end people loose the bigger picture when only staring/gazing at such tiny details. And in the end it makes us fans sound rather.....grumpy moaners.
I remember very well that in late september 2012 the movie-edited version of "Skyfall" was leaked on French radio. 7 days later, October 5th, it officially premiered on youtube with a big countdown. My birthday, and Bond's birthday ;-)!
Anyway, this time around we get it a bit earlier. Man, I can't wait!!
Agreed. I have to add that a gay guy was primarily responsible for this film: OHMSS.
No one is mad about the white tuxedo. What's seems to have happened, as is often the case, is that @Gustav_Graves has chimed in with his customary 'outrage', making it seem like the poster to whom he is responding is somehow massively annoyed by something. In reality there was a relatively well meaning discussion about iconography.
You often mention the 'fans' in that context, but I don't really buy it. I see no evidence that we as a collective put them in a no win situation. In fact, I'd say there are very few people, myself included, who aren't keen on Bond being particularly self referential. The rest seem to lap it up. So what you're projecting is a fallacy in my eyes. I personally don't want DC to look exactly like Connery in GF, but I will be in the minority with that. Note: I'm not outraged by this, as others might passively suggest!
My mistake. He obviously has a highly developed sense of... shall we say drama? :)
Carry on. I'm not familiar with Sam Smith and the Main Title Theme is something I don't really concern myself with so I'm looking forward to it and it's eventually release. I may wait until the movie to hear it but I did cave with Adele's theme for Skyfall and listened to it early. :P
Exactly. It cheapens the impact and (once again) panders to the lowest common denominator.
I think the point EoN is missing is this - you do not need to make references to 007's heritage blatantly obvious because the people who truly appreciate them are by definition already Bond fans and will most definitely 'get' a subtle and non-obvious homage anyway.
Not pretty words here for him: http://www.plasticosydecibelios.com/sam-smith-se-rie-toma-pelo-madrid/
It's tricky. Because "Shaken not stirred" and "Bond, James Bond" are also self-referential...but also "expected." I see no difference between Bond in a white dinner jacket and those lines. It's part of the mystique, part of his character's persona. What he wears, how he speaks, how he lives: that's all going to be seen across the 24 films.
I wouldn't bracket a white dinner jacket with 'Shaken not Stirred', or, 'Bond, James Bond personally, given it's worn 5 times in 24 films. By that margin we should also include Safari shirts being as synonymous with the character as 'Bond, James bond'. That being said, as I pointed out several times above, I have no issue with DC wearing one, it's merely the fact that they're aping the Connery look from GF by including the carnation, having already 'borrowed' Roger's LALD look for the initial teaser poster. It's nothing to do with mystique, or persona, it's to do with nostalgia and I'm not particularly keen.
I find the white dinner jacket with the Goldfinger touch not lazy "per se" in the movie, but on the main poster, it feels once again Mendes is playing it safe instead of adding something to the Bond universe (even though Mendes probably had no final word on the poster, but well it feels that way).
I mean :
Hinx is a superhenchman : Bond trope, nice.
Imagine Hinx is a mute superhenchman of Asian origin with a deadly bowler hat that has a human heat tracking drone inside : Oh, come on.
The latter would be nice in a remake (I mean, without the drone). But not in an "original" story.
Whoever is responsible, this describes how I feel about it.
Yes, I do think so. Amazon Deutschland says October 23rd, but then that's the CD/Vinyl record.
You know how to write off fierce, good discussions as something else than a fierce, good discussion. Personally, I'm not angry. That's what you make of it. But I do think that you sound like a negative whiner at times. And although you are not annoyed personally, you do sound like an elitist movie pro who lacks any empathy with its other forummembers. With plentiful arguments I tried to support that. Arguments that you now easily tend to throw down the chimney in favor of making me look like the 'customary content-less ranter'. Go ahead though :-).
I just don't lap up literally everything EON sign off. At times you remind of me of a one of those young fanboy kids who feels he has to say 'Everything's brillllllllliant', because otherwise it would bring his fan status into question. As fans we're here to question what's being produced. That's not whining, it's critiquing. I don't know anyone, personally, who loves or gets as much joy out of Bond as I do, but when it comes to discussion I always feel it more energising and fruitful to discuss what I think could be done better. If you've ever done anything creative you'll know that you don't fixate on the things that worked, or were considered 'good', you look at what didn't work and how it can be better. The 'good' is there to be savoured and enjoyed and is something I do every time I sit down to watch a Bond movie.
I don't throw your arguments down a chimney, I just don't necessarily agree with them. A lot of the time you use stats, or ratings, or mathematics to try and bolster your opinion as fact, I tend to prefer it when people have the courage of their convictions to state their own distilled view, rather than propping it up by suggesting the 'wider world' agrees with them. It shows a lack of conviction. I'm not saying you always do that, but at time it feels like you do. The idea that something is right because 'the public like it', isn't something I'm interested in discussing. I prefer to know what people genuinely think, not what is deemed the right or wrong opinion as defined by joe public.
And the song has not been released yet !
... What do you do then? Throw the drum into the ocean? Burn it? No. You just leave it and they begin to get hungry. And one by one... They start eating eachother...
You obviously don't read properly what I have been posting in here. For instance, I do think another international version of the "SPECTRE" poster looks even worse. I personally dislike it. I said so on numerous occasions. I was talking about this one, which I find bland, as if I'm looking at a pissed Jason Bourne. It lacks any Bond-ish feeling:
Or not to mention my criticism about music scores. For instance the ones from David Arnold. I do think that he has made some good scores, especially his very first one for "Tomorrow Never Dies".
The thing is.....you tend to forget that. On a few rare occasions we joked about each other, by actually saying "Wow, we agree for once". I'm not looking for such a statement. But I do think that you overreact as well sometimes. I use my stats and figures. Not to make other people convince them of MY view, but simply to let them know how OTHERS think about it. It's something you constantly ignore or fail to address.
So I do have my own distilled view. But as long as people call me ridiculous for not liking TSWLM, which you did on a few occasions when I posted my rankings, then you're no hair different than me @RC7. I just...hope....that sometimes you can respect my opinions, my views a bit more. Agree to...disagree. And I think I did so with your opinions on a few occasions. Alas, you sometimes use your experience in movie business for fact as well, and then using it to make my opinions look like that of a 'dumb fanboy', like you actually just did.
It's insulting. You make me feel bad about this. And only a real man would at times have the courage to say "I'm sorry". You never do that. I do that though.....
Of course I overreact, I'm passionate. What I don't care for is people telling me my opinion is invalid because box office or general opinion don't correlate with it. If that's the case I will lay down an argument for why. I tend to come to blows with people when they equate $$$ and the wider critical response as factual, where I judge things from a creative perspective. I think this is where many of these disagreements stem from. For example no one will convince me the DB5 in SF is a great creative idea and if someone attempts to justify it I'm obliged to put my angle forward. I don't see the harm in having a principled argument if you're doing it for the right reasons, which I always try to do.
We're actually staging an online soap opera, it's all a ruse. @Gustav_Graves is in fact a beer swigging alpha who slips into character when he logs on.
Spark up a reefer. When the song hits you'll know.
Ha ha. Me neither, to be honest. Maybe a Morland, or better still, a scotch.