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1. Craig will be back after all. Maybe they have rewritten he ending of Spectre and Bond doesn't retire. Or he does retire but they will think of a reason for him to come out of retirement in the next film.
2. They will set the next era in the past to make it very different from every Bond film ever made before.
3. They won't make Bond 25 for a loooong time.
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But Dalton's Bond had, at least, a tenuous relationship to Tracy (Leiter's comment about how Bond was "married once, but it was a long time ago.")
The start of the Craig films was a "hard" reboot. But, until now, there have been no signs that any post-Craig films would have nothing to do with the Craig films. To put another way, the Ben Affleck Batman will have *nothing* to do with the Christian Bale/Christopher Nolan Batman. The same may be true of Bond actor 7 vs. Craig.
Your first option is the obvious and only one worth considering. Hell will freeze over first before the other two.
" he does retire but they will think of a reason for him to come out of retirement in the next film.'
seems like a likely solution
I'd rather not. This is why I was against SPECTRE and Blofeld returning. Reboot or not. Previous characters who were used to great effect shouldn't be brought back. It's like remaking Goldfinger even though it was a good movie to some. I didn't like it personally but I don't wish to see it redone. Or any other Bond movie to that.
Firstly like @Panchito said, it seems like the next GE. And I love GE. I think it's the best Bond of the last 20 years and the third best overall. SP seems similar to GE because it combines classic, old school Bond (gadgets, big secret bases, etc), with great writing and characterisation (not just for Bond but also for other characters such as M). Bond felt real and fleshed out in GE and it seems like he will be in SP too. SF did this too, but it was much more smug and pretentious than GE and the action was nowhere near as good as anything in GE. From the looks of things, SPECTRE is going to fix that.
Secondly it's bringing back a lot of stuff I've wanted back for years now. The gunbarrel at the start, an old school memorable henchman, a brand new car with gadgets, Blofeld and SPECTRE returning, a big villain base, etc. I can't wait.
I also really like the finale aspect. I do think this will be Craig's last (based on the ending more than anything else) and I love how it ties into all the other Craig films. It seems like a big epic finale ala TDKR and I like that.
There are one or two things I'm worried about but overall I think this film is shaping up to be something really special.
Well, the theme from SPECTRE is quite "in your face" : it's basically that
This theme is hammered in SPECTRE even more than the "old ways are the best" theme is hammered in Skyfall.
Or EON may even pull a 'Marvel' and add a post credit 'sting' to SPECTRE with Madeline getting it then with the final image being the octopus shaped bullet hole through the windscreen as in the teaser poster
I was thinking about this too.
There is also the mention at the start of the FRWL book that Tiffany Case from DAF left him as they couldn't adapt to domestic life and Bond is bored and looking forward to a new mission.
Regarding the cars in Spectre
Well it's one of the huge change from the early scripts :
SPECTRE could take place 6 months after the events of SF, much like FRWL was after the events of Dr.No. Besides, there doesn't have to be a conspicuous emphasis on the time period between movies.
Longtime lurker, first time poster here.
Been going through this thread for a few days now and finally thought up how to perfectly sum up my thoughts on this disaster of epic proportions.
I would really like to get my hands on this to read for myself so if anyone could point me in the right direction via PM, that'd be great. Otherwise, here we go;
So, from my understanding, the ending is slightly ambiguous and comes down to a guessing game as I've read some having the impression
Firstly, I'd like to say that ending seems like a complete slap in the face. After two films pandering to everyone about how "We're almost there, Bond is still beginning, almost....almost.....ALMOST...." and then finally the big celebratory ending of SF only to have it all completely stripped away by next films end and rebooted yet again potentially, completely ludicrous.
Now, as some have mentioned, I fully expect this ending to not be a big red bow on the Craig films but instead an open-ended question mark that could potentially make way for yet another sequel. In all honestly, let's face it. These leaks hurt Sony, they hurt them bad. Not only did it hurt Sony, it now potentially hurt EON because they were involved and all the bad press this script got, older draft or not. If this film is even slightly as big a success as SF, there will be a speedy sequel, no doubt about it. They will want to recover what revenue was lost. They are after all at the end of the day, a business and after SF, Bond is one of their biggest moneymakers.
There are also other points to be considered. Yet another Sony property suffering is Spider-Man, mainly because they pumped out too many films in too short of time and tried to have it too many ways. EON and Sony have now spent the better part of a decade re-establishing and re-booting James Bond for the masses, so if this really is the end for the Craig era and all loose ends are tied for him to never return, what are they going to do? Risk diminishing returns like with Spider-Man and reboot YET again? They successfully rebooted the character once, do they really think they could pull it off yet again, so soon? I think not, Sony learned their lesson HARD with that one. Even the Fantastic Four reboot is suffering. It's due out soon as there still has yet to be a production still or even a trailer because they are simply too scared of fan backlash. You can't re-boot a franchise and start from scratch all over again so soon anymore, it just doesn't work and it turns filmgoers off.
Times have changed, ultimately. The masses have become savvy to re-boots and I honestly do not think they would be as forgiving as our Bond fanbase would be, even though some of us I'm sure would not take too kindly to it either. Another thing to point out is that if the series was to be successfully rebooted again, it would be best to wait at least the latter half of a decade to be safe after all these disastrous reboots and their box office flops and honestly (as much as I hate to admit it) we really don't know how much more time Mike Wilson has left with us so I highly doubt they would want to just sit around and wait that long. They have never been able to successfully do that for more than 4 years without their hands being tied due to other circumstances like the lawsuits.
In the end, from what I've read (and I'd like to read the entire thing out of curiosity though I have been unsuccessful in finding it) it sounds like a great mixture of new era Bond and classic era Bond and changes were definitely made for the better. I have utter faith in this film that it can be one of the greats but do I think this is the end as we know it? No way in hell.
Welcome and well said . You make many strong points to which I agree with most of everything you said. Personally, I feel Bond as a brand is so strong that it could probably survive a reboot if one were to come so soon; Bond imo has offered the supreme best of cinema and also offered the absolute worst but the series has been able to survive because it's the daddy of cinematic institutions; that being said the series I hope are smart enough to not go too far with 'out there ideas' because sometimes there can be enough rope to hang one's self with.
Sony are in a terrible position right now and the landscape of movies, appeal and money to be made is that of increasing importance and opportunity. People don't have to like it but facts are facts; with new cinematic markets being opened up blockbuster movies can't simply be holding the US domestic BO in the same regard 10/15 years ago. Without China, SF wouldn't have crossed the billion dollar mark and had the movie been better, had SF had the sort of action SPECTRE proposes, SF would have made a lot more money over there and that's just China. I don't think we have anything to worry about with SPECTRE, on paper (based on updated/latest revisions of the script it's going to massacre the competition and the BO. It would be utter foolishness to delay the next instalment; SPECTRE will be a financial juggernaut, Craig's popularity is ever increasing, the talent involved is second to none and also getting better not to mention the films in their own right is the proverbial golden cash cow. If Mendes isn't returning for Bond 25 that's fine, the producers based on what happened with SF need to sort that out and put things in place so there isn't another delay I'm having to wait for anyone. Also, Mendes and Craig aren't a package deal, Craig will and should be here with or without Mendes and on that note, it shouldn't be a surprise if Nolan is the next director and directs Danny boy as opposed to casting someone new. These are things I'm not saying will or should happen but it shouldn't be a surprise if they do.
.... working with different forms of beauty allows filmmakers to qualify their remarks and I think that's what the producers are looking for Bond.
To have shot with the two actresses, I can say that they are real soldiers. On a plate, they do not remain in a corner waiting for face painting called. They come with ideas. That's the surprise. Leah came up with a design Ugly was not completely mine, but both are complete. I was fascinated by what she gave me on the screen. As a conversation between my vision and what it brought. » "
I would say Monica brings the fire, and Lea the ice.
I take this not only from the Premiere piece above and Gans' comments, but also from what we know from the shooting outline.
Lea is blonde and potentially more ice queenish. Bellucci has always been smoldering Mediterranen hot beauty.
Although I must admit, it's not terribly clear what Gans means by fire and ice
But what is very encouraging from Gans, is that both actresses come with ideas. Potential here for two very charming and memorable characters. The beauty is a given with these two.
The idea of future Bond re-boots I think is a red herring.
If Craig leaves, you come back with a new actor. I would cast young and simply relaunch Bond on mission. Because of the Craig reboot, this Bond would continue in the new continuity, but that's no biggie.
Via the magic of cinema, and also via fiction novels, where timeless characters need not age, Bond is suddenly younger looking, in his prime, and on mission.
Because of the new continuity, there will be no oblique references to Tracy, or events from the original timeline.
The original timeline "re-booted" 5 times with OHMSS DAF LALD TLD and GE, without missing a beat. But none of these actor-transition films were actually re-boots. Bond just continued forward in time. This is perfectly normal for fiction cinema.
If Craig returns, which I am certain he will, and probably for two films, there are a couple of scenarios I think.
1. @panchito explained, and others agree is the most likely scenario, the writers contrive his return to Mi6. Basically all he does at end of SP it seems, is toss gun in river and go off with Madeleine.
If Madeleine was beckoning, we might all do the same thing too, and worry about rejoining Mi6 later, if ever.
But within this return scenario for B25, he has parted with Madeleine for whatever reason. Things didn't quite work out, as his dedication to duty ultimately triumphed etc etc.
They had a nice interlude and Bond's life goes on. Very Fleming. For Bond, breaking up is par for the course.
2. Alternatively within the same Bond-Madeleine exit scenario, we get an OHMSS ending development in B25, whereby Blofeld manages to later gun down the new love of Bond's life, Madeleine (foreshadowed by the image of the OHMSS Spectre logo shattered glass) and Bond goes off on a revenge mission, echoing Flemings YOLT, but minus the Japanese setting and Kissy and Tanaka etc as thats already been done.
Likely Blofeld manifests as Shatterhand. The Garden of Death and Castle are incorporated. Irma Bunt is somehow incorporated, even if it appears she has been dropped from the final version of the SP script.
@suive may know better about the fate of Bunt in SP. He seems to have the best handle on SP plot details.
Personally I like option #1. Kiss off Madeleine, which is the norm for any lead Bond girl, who doesn't get killed; exceptions being Fleming's Tracy and Vesper.
Even if Bond does seem very taken by Madeleine, its nothing new.
ie what happened to Kara post TLD? Dalts seemed to have a schoolboy crush, but poof, she vanished.
In this scenario, Bond returns to Mi6, and off on new mission, hopefully minus any personal journey issues.
Old-dog issues don't matter. He was rejuvenated by end of SF. His actual age can remain indeterminate as it always has been, but for Connery's NSNA, where Bond's age was in fact spelled out as actual 00 retirement age, presumbly Connery's actual age, which was 52 during shooting.
What worries me about me about scenario #2 is that the potential for melodrama is immense. I've had enough, thanks.
Bond being Bond on mission is what I find most appealing ie Bond being unflappable blunt instrument foil, for the turmoil and drama that might surround him. That is the essence of Bond, as captured by both Fleming and the early films, which were all made within a few short years of their literary Fleming source material. (DN-OHMSS)
Easy to answer : in the early scripts,
There is, first, a scene in which Bond infiltrates a SPECTRE (although at this time we still dont know its SPECTRE) meeting - this will be important in terms of the plot consolidation,
It is also the trigger for a huge action sequence that may become the movies best. The car race between Aston Martin DB 10 and the new Jaguar, with a Fiat500 cameo in the middle, promises to be quite a spectacle. And expect a very iconic gadget from the past to reappear here!