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Forster, whatever.... but why Haggis??... He did an excellent job retooling P&W's CR script - and he barely was able to work on QOS before the Writer's Strike happened - in which he HAD to turn the script back over to EON before they officially striked, which is why we got what we got the unfinished mess that we did... i don't think it was his decision to want to quit on the script - but in these situations, you do what your Union tells you to do, or else you could get easily blacklisted or thrown out...
this is unless you hated both CR and QOS - to which I understand...
but I would much rather have Haggis back for Bond25 than Logan...
i doubt they all sat in a room together writing this thing out... as busy as both Mendes and Craig were.. no doubt there were probably plenty of conference calls, skype chats, texts, and emails between all concerning parties... they probably all got together, came up with a general idea, then let Logan go do his thing... he turns back in a draft - they then discuss what changes or improvements need to be made, then let Logan go back to rewrite... after a while, he turns back in the rewrite... things obviously still weren't enough to Mendes', Craig' and EON's standard - so with the clock ticking, they resort to bringing back P&W to do a rewrite..... could they have probably done things a little smoother - and possibly sooner... yes... but we don't know what all said parties were doing, while script writing was going on.. i doubt they sat there and twiddled their thumbs like people probably think..
Well, getting away from your discussion, and back to what matters, has anybody read the detailed storyline of Bond 17 (the cancelled 3rd Dalton Bond movie)?
I noticed that some scenes and ideas are, with flexibility, adapted and used in SP:
- A day spa for the rich and powerful on top of a mountain near a ski resort(!!);
- A chase through a local parade (!!);
- A chase in the streets of Tokio between the Aston Martin and a high tech vehicle (bond versus henchman, Rodin, a character that resembles very much Mr. Hinx) that ends with the AM crashing/plummeting into the river (!!) and Bond ejecting and parachuting to safety (!!).
Just a curiosity that I wanted to share.
By the way this Bond17 could have been the best Dalton JB movie I think.
It's very sad to hear that, truly. I just saw TLD last night after a long time and I realized how good Dalton was in the role. He was robbed from us. Not surprised they are recycling. They do that a lot with ideas. Still, damn shame no Dalton #3
Before that script, Haggis also worked on another Quantum script that Eon rejected, involving Bond looking for Vesper's child. It was after that rejection that the clock was ticking.
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what do you think that brown - door like object in front of the ICE Q restuarant is, possibly installed for the James BOnd film, as I saw the hsutory of video and that isn't there. I think it is part of the set for the film
Looking forward to hearing from your opinion.
*Don't open if you don't want to see how it looks - potential spoiler*
First of all, that is just blatant exaggeration. Also, even if it was true: who cares? The messy pre-production and script writing process of other movies doesn't justify the mistakes the producers made during the pre-production of Spectre. And even if only 10% of movies had a smooth pre-production, that would already prove that it can be done.
Do I really have to repeat myself? Ok, here it goes... They finally had first two acts everyone seemed to be happy with in October 2014. I wrote that the script was still a mess about 20 months after the release of Skyfall. About 20 months after the release of Skyfall is June/July 2014 and back then the script was definitely still a mess. Not just the third act, but the whole script. Do you understand it now?
2012? Are you joking? Logan handed in an outline in October 2013. Maybe it wasn't the first outline but it was definitely still an outline. They didn't even have a first draft a whole year after the release of Skyfall. Logan's first draft was handed in during March 2014.
Do you want to know how my timeline would look like?
- a writer starts drafting ideas in January 2013
- first outline handed in during March 2013 the very latest
- first treatment by summer 2013
- first draft by October 2013
- final draft by spring 2014
If the writer is stuck at any time during the process and can't meet a deadline, I would bring in additional writers.
Hi Aaron i saw it but i dont have the slightest clue of what it can be! Really am looking forward for this scene in the clinic.
It looks like it could be a garage?
Can't wait to see what they cook up for interiors.
Most recent draft of the pts is nicely fleshed out. That's a great opening in Mexico.
So Bond has been tracking Sciarra because M told him to kill him. Interesting. That's why he's so coy with Mallory in their initial briefing.
Can't wait to see what this Estrella girl looks like.
Anyone; how did Dench-M, communicate with Bond to kill Sciarra. Were her instructions in the bulldog figure, that Bond got from MP on the roof, at the end of SF?
Love the homage in the pts to the Junkaroo from TB and the street dancing we saw in MR.
I am early in my reviewing obviously,but a lot of this dialogue just oozes Craig. The writers had his dour demeanour in mind, it seems. It works. The dialogue suits him. There is plenty of the Bond sardonic humour.
So far this film is looking like an actual Bond movie. Much good Bond mojo so far.
What strikes me is that Lucia, and all females involved apparently survives. I figured Lucia as a sacrificial lamb.
In the most recent draft one question
1. Does bond say we have all the time in the world
If he does two follow ups
1. How do you feel having such a classic line be brought back
2. How would you feel if Bond 25 was titled All the time in the World.
Also is it me or does Spectre turn Mr White kind of into Draco let's make no. Bones about Draco did order his men to try and kill bond twice once In the pts and once in Tracy room. The third time his henchmen collect 007 we still aren't sure if Draco wants to kill 007 or not I wonder if the script put Mr White in that light if so it does make me appreciate him in casino and quantum a bit more. Either way I am so so soooooo happy he is being dealt with and Quantum is not forgotten.
Considering earlier versions of the script I honestly wonder if they couldn't get the rights would they have gone this route anyways just changing Spectre to Quantum etc.
In the most recent draft one question
1. Does bond say we have all the time in the world?
yep
If he does two follow ups
1. How do you feel having such a classic line be brought back
Its a risk but i guess many of the new generations of moviegoers (non bond fans like we) havent seen OHMSS so it will still be original. I think they brought it back mainly to antecipate what will happen in Bond 25. So, as much as i agree with @ThomasCrown76, i guess Maddy as her fate written for Bond 25! Just a guess!
2. How would you feel if Bond 25 was titled All the time in the World.
Sincerelly, dont like it as a Bond movie title. Its to romantic for THE title.
Must be something that feels more suspensful and intriguing!
This feels like a mixture of Thunderball and Ohmss which I like and makes me wonder if the next film will be 100% ohmss or perhaps a mixture of ohmss and yolt either way I am happy
Now if we can just get a bloody good bunch of video games then I would be happy
However, I was expecting a skiing scene in Austria, not another vehecle chase. Another thing I don't like is that in the last movies everything seems to be very personal: M-Silva-Bond, Bond-Oberhsuser, Bond-Vespers Boyfriend...
Do you realy think this is going to be the last of Craig as 007? I thought he was going to make another one, he is still 46 ...
He is still signed on for Bond 25.
I do think they should have kept the solar furnace, because it's unique and original, like the laser-scene in GF. But overall I like the December version better.
Is it really so different? I also have december script, but I prefer not to read it and keep some surprise factor.
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Me too. Never had the foggiest what a solar furnace was when first heard it mentioned but after googling it, I was really looking forward to seeing it on screen. As you say, would have been very iconic.