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The only frustrating stuff in reading the leaks and having to stay quiet in the other threads, is seeing
1) some heavy posters being very wrong and telling others in big capitals that they are stupid.
2) some light posters considering "risky hypothesis" that were right at some point and being told "no way they would do that"
When people will know that Logan had Mallory as a member of SPECTRE (put the "breadcrumbs" SF scene in a whole new light, doesn't it ?), that Bond will not be in a regular mission as hinted by the end of SF, or that Moneypenny is back on the field, etc.. some opinions will have to change. And I'm afraid that all the above won't be learn by them in a nice way (I expect the "attention grabbing spoiler posters" to become a big problem in the last weeks before the release)
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Approximately 20 minutes
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Just so you know, the times are my predictions.
For Morocco I reckon approximately 30-35 minutes
Just so you know, I am writing these times regarding the pages. I think that 1 page=approximately 1 minute. But it really can't be determined until we see the film
Mexico (pre-titles) - Shootout and Helicopter
Rome-Car chase
Austria-plane crash
Morroco-Train
London(climax)-Helicopter
5 as opposed to 3 major action set-pieces in SF. Mendes definetly thinks bigger is better I guess! the climax set-piece is quite generic IMHO. Reading it S.W.A.T the movie came to mind. What do you guys think?
@mnhettia Just one correction. I think that we can say that when Bond activates the explosion from his watch at Oberhauser's lair and Madeleine and Bond escape, that is an action piece too.
SP will have four action setpieces and two minor (train fight and escaping villain's lair).
Agreed, there are differences between action scenes and action setpieces
Action Setpieces in Spectre:
1) Mexico PTS
2) Rome - Car Chase
3) Austria - Plane vs Cars Chase
4) London Climax
Action Scenes in Spectre:
1) Train Fight Morocco
2) Escaping Villains Lair
I don't think he started shooting yet.
He may have shot one scene at the funeral in R
I bet that Mendes has talked this scene and every shot of it through with Alexander Witt long before the shooting.
And I bet that Mendes watches the filmed takes every day on London.
He's not that kind of director, that lets the 2nd Unit Director do whatever he wants.
Mendes works very close with Witt.
She was owned by White, but she also knew that she was working on behalf of Le Chiffre, so she might have taken Le Chiffre's call, and then he ambushed her.
A third less likely scenario is that it was actually Mathis who called, but Le Chiffre ambushed her, on her way to see Mathis.
But upon reflection, I don't think it was Le Chiffre, or at least not Le Chiffre, with White's blessing, because White ambushed Le Chiffre at the boat, before he knew whether Le Chiffre had extracted any info from Bond, so it does appear that White had not approved Le Chiffre's abduction of either Bond or Vesper..
I am not fussed over how White knew where to find Le Chiffre, simply because Quantum/Spectre, well, they are surveillance experts. They have people everywhere and know things.
White's lecturing Le Chiffre on knowing who to trust, might reflect on Le Chiffre's reckless, non-authorized abuction of the two pawns, Bond and Vesper.
Bottom line, we don't know who called her.
Scenario 1
So inconclusion ,my guess is that White on behalf of Spectre was running the whole operation.
Plan was to get Obanno to hand over his cash to Le Chiffre, knowing that Le Chiffre would possibly increase its value with his sneaky airline scam.
Then SP would extort the whole amount from Le Chiffre and leave Obanno to deal with Le Chiffre or vice versa. Either way, one would kill the other.
When Le Chiffre lost the money, and also lost at Royale, plan B was set in motion, which was to kill Le Chiffre and use Vesper to trick the money from Mi6.
Plan B worked out fine.
Scenario 2
Its also possible though, that White knew nothing of Le Chiffre's airline scam and was only initially prepared to take a commission from Obanno for finding him a banker.
In this case, White had to improvise the Royale caper with Le Chiffre, in order to recover the money.
But what's not clear with this scenario, is why would SP care that Le Chiffre had lost the money. That was Obanno's problem, and as we saw in the movie, he was plenty upset.
The movie is not clear on this question, and I don't think they even realize that they left a gaping hole. Therefore, I think the first scenario is most plausible.
And from what I have seen of the SP script, I don't think SP the movie, is going to shed any further light as to what was going down at Royale vis-a-vis Le Chiffre, White and Vesper, either.
Never mind SF, CR IMO is the most convoluted bit of storytelling in the series.
The SP plot, at least looks like it will be fathomable.
Sorry for giving you a headache @panchito.
Mine's a migraine after trying to make sense of all this.
Totally agree. Having the film bookended by helicopter action scenes seems incredibly unimaginative. And have Mendes and Co forgotten that the last film ALSO featured a helicopter action scene. Something makes me think Mende is a big Apocalypse Now fan...