SPECTRE Leaks Discussion (allowed on ONLY this thread) MAJOR PLOTLINE SPOILERS!

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  • Posts: 203
    talos7 wrote: »
    The car is under reconstruction?! After what happened to it in SF?

    Yes, the car is under reconstruction at the beginning of the film. It seems like the Q branch can fix any damage.

    what a joke! after it got blown to bits!
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    mnhettia wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    The car is under reconstruction?! After what happened to it in SF?

    Yes, the car is under reconstruction at the beginning of the film. It seems like the Q branch can fix any damage.

    what a joke! after it got blown to bits!

    i488367.jpg

    Still salvageable...
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    We can make him stronger... faster ..

    (6 million dollar man theme da da daa da...)
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 591
    Hopefully we'll get some on-set shots of the actors in character as Estrella and Marco Sciarra.
  • ThomasCrown76ThomasCrown76 Augusta, ks
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    I think it's great that q does that. What a guy
  • icsics
    edited March 2015 Posts: 33
    Bond tell penny that 9 Monte ago he got the dvd from ...... So that gives a timeframe
    aaron819 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    The car is under reconstruction?! After what happened to it in SF?

    Yes, it is under recontruction after what happened to it in SF

    Q says:
    I believe I said ‘bring it back in
    one piece’, not ‘bring back one piece’.

    How long after SF does SP take place. Does anyone have any thoughts?

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    talos7 wrote: »
    The car is under reconstruction?! After what happened to it in SF?

    Yes, the car is under reconstruction at the beginning of the film. It seems like the Q branch can fix any damage.

    That is laughable. :)

  • ThomasCrown76ThomasCrown76 Augusta, ks
    Posts: 757
    When you clean up after James bond, anything is possible
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Probably 90% new ...yes possible I think.

    :-?
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    I think it's great that q does that. What a guy
    That's great work that the Q garage does.
    My mechanic would have written the car off, and tried to sell me a new car. Imagine!
  • aaron819 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    The car is under reconstruction?! After what happened to it in SF?

    Yes, it is under recontruction after what happened to it in SF

    Q says:
    I believe I said ‘bring it back in
    one piece’, not ‘bring back one piece’.

    How long after SF does SP take place. Does anyone have any thoughts?

    IMO, about one year.
  • Posts: 1,552
    Could be three years, real time period?
  • Posts: 3,164
    Earlier draft said 9 months IIRC...
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 164
    I believe the whole Blofeld character is a mess in the December version of the screenplay. It is quite telling that Mr. Hinx is a FAR more interesting character than the main villain... They simply didn't know what to do with Blofeld. First they wanted to make him a black man from Sub-Saharan Africa. Then they decided to make Blofeld a woman. At the end they turned Blofeld into someone Bond knew from his childhood.

    They decided early on that they wanted to use Blofeld again, but they had no idea how to make him interesting... And what's up with him having all those names? Oberhauser, Stockmann, Serban?

    I think they wanted to re-write Blofeld's character, in order to provide him with a more realistic background. There's this tendency for realism in action films that's been started by the Bourne franchise. It transcended into the Bond films starting with Casino Royale. I personally like this tendency.

    Now, until a certain point, I think Oberhauser's character is well written and with attention to detail. There are logical explanations for his name changes in the script (which I read some time ago, so I'm sorry if some of the facts are not perfectly accurate). His real birth name is Ernest Serban. They used the name Ernest, which is the Romanian form of Ernst (Blofeld). They made him Romanian because that makes his back story valid in the given time frame - an orphan, who's parents were sentenced to death because they were caught spying for the German government / secret services. Romania is one of the European countries that was ran by a communist regime 20 something years ago when Ernest was a kid. They had a death penalty and treated spies and "country traitors" very harsh. The name Oberhauser, I think he takes that name when he's being adopted by the Austrian family that later adopts Bond as well. And Stockmann, I think that's the name he uses to stay off of Bond's radar. From what I remember, Waltz' character doesn't die at the end of Spectre, he just gets caught. My guess is he will escape in Bond 25 and change his name once again to Blofeld.

    My problem with this character is that he doesn't seem to have a clear goal or purpose, much like Skyfall's Silva. They both seem to be driven by revenge only or by their fantasy of playing God. And that's where the realism fades away for me, with all the character background they're trying to provide. I can understand guys like Le Chiffre or Dominic Greene who are driven by their hunger for money, but these guys are just lunatics. And who would let a lunatic run the biggest criminal organization in the world ? Even criminals have standards.
  • SkyfallCraigSkyfallCraig Rome, Italy
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    His goal is power.
  • I
    . And who would let a lunatic run the biggest criminal organization in the world ? Even criminals have standards.
    Al Qaeda, ISIS, North Korea, Nazis ... so many lunatics ruling out there
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 164
    His goal is power.

    Which in today's world is provided by money. Le Chiffre provided banking services for terrorists and gambled at the stock market for a living, Greene was a politically connected business man who posed as an environmentalist, Silva probably didn't even needed money because he was hacking his way into life, but what does this Oberhauser do ? He's just presented as this evil entity that comes out of nowhere.
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    The name Oberhauser, I think he takes that name when he's being adopted by the Austrian family that later adopts Bond as well.

    Bond never was adopted.
    He just spent some time of his summer vacation in Austria with the Oberhauser-Family.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Hans Oberhauser was also Young Bond's Ski instructor. Read OP short story.
  • SkyfallCraigSkyfallCraig Rome, Italy
    Posts: 630
    His goal is power.

    Which in today's world is provided by money. Le Chiffre provided banking services for terrorists and gambled at the stock market for a living, Greene was a politically connected business man who posed as an environmentalist, Silva probably didn't even needed money because he was hacking his way into life, but what does this Oberhauser do ? He's just presented as this evil entity that comes out of nowhere.
    All these men were working for him, so all these things they were doing, they were doing them for him.
    Exactly in the same way as C is building a giant intelligence agency.

  • edited March 2015 Posts: 3,164
    Gonna drop this one here
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/03/12/mexico-wanted-james-bond-but-only-if-the-country-looked-as-good-as-he-does/

    Not to worry about any of this as the December draft already has all the requested changes.

    (Also they mean Marco Sciarra not Lucia)
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    antovolk wrote: »
    Gonna drop this one here
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/03/12/mexico-wanted-james-bond-but-only-if-the-country-looked-as-good-as-he-does/

    Not to worry about any of this as the December draft already has all the requested changes.

    (Also they mean Marco Sciarra not Lucia)

    Journalists are really slow nowadays. The e-mails were leaked 3 months ago. Anyone who has read the e-mails could have written the same article back in December.
  • AVBAVB
    Posts: 97
    The thing about Silva is that he has a great motivation when we first meet him, which he expresses to Bond in their very first scene together. I'm specifically referring to the 'we can run our own operations with the push of a button/No need for MI6 brah!' content. It's when he was faced with M for the first time that his motivation descended into miserable cliche.

    Blofeld, or whatever the hell he's called in Spectre, should not be motivation by any personal emo nonsense, in my opinion. It should all be about taking control away from governments and putting it into the hands of corporations, who all fall under the Spectre banner. So in essence, creating a more centralised hub of power and control over banking systems, military, media and so on. So hopefully he is not portrayed as a generic mad-man, as Silva transpired to be.

    To me it all should go back to what Bond says to Mathis in the CR novel in his 'cowboys and Indians speech'. Whereas Bond once thought of this game as such, he now realises that it's more complex than that. Also, on the last pages of CR he tells himself that he will after 'the threat behind the threat'. That's what QoS touched upon, and I hope they bring that full circle with Spectre.

  • The Washington Post story is based on this March 3 story by Tax Analysts, a website for tax professionals:

    http://www.taxanalysts.com/www/features.nsf/Features/D0DB13181492C8E285257DFD0048BA22?OpenDocument

    It goes into more detail than the December stories. One of the points made in the Tax Analysts story became reality this week with a casting announcement.
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    JCRendle wrote: »
    Could be three years, real time period?
    No way. There is a picture that shows M is still having his left arm in a sling, due to the injuries he suffered in SF.
  • aaron819aaron819 Switzerland
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    JCRendle wrote: »
    Could be three years, real time period?
    No way. There is a picture that shows M is still having his left arm in a sling, due to the injuries he suffered in SF.

    @Zekidk Where is that picture?
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 1,552
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    No slings in these shots, taken from the video blog.
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    Can't remember where I saw it. It was from his office, shot behind the 1st unit.
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    I know. But M has parts in all acts. Just because he doesn't wear it midthrough, doesn't mean he didn't have one in the beginning. Does it really matter much?
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    Does it really matter much?
    No, but it's a discussion on a discussion forum - you were saying that it couldn't have been three years later because his arm was in a sling - I haven't seen this photo, but I have seen scenes with him slingless, so I just posted them as an example.
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