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That's been my prediction since the first leaks and after reading the recent outline (see my spoiler tagged post above for my thoughts) I'm pretty certain it'll be the last Daniel Craig movie. I could be wrong and if I am then I'll happily admit it but for now I'm sticking by my prediction.
EON made a statement that the script(s) are included in the documents that leaked - no one outright posted the .pdf or whatever yet of the script that you can easily find, you'd have to download the full email leak to get it. Bits and pieces from the emails are being pieced together and leaked out/posted by news outlets and other people too, like that outline doc and those notes.
So in my case what I mean by online - easy to find and download without having to download the full email leak - if that makes sense.
The reason I do NOT think Spectre will be Craig's last Bond film (ending spoilers):
By the way, I feel sorry for GustaveGraves... He will be disappointed once he finds out that Spectre isn't really a snowy Bond film (and by that I mean that Austria is not featured as heavily as we thought and it's not the location of the finale)...
Plus the 00 section seems to have been abolished (although maybe that would be undone once C is revealed as a traitor to the goverment) and all the links and references to the other films make me think it's his last.
And Blofeld might not be dead but we can assume that SPECTRE are pretty much done and I thought him sparing Blofeld was more a sign of him walking away from his old life of killing rather than a loose end to tie uo in a sequel.
Also, it's interesting that according to the leaks, MGM wants to team up with another studio instead of Sony starting with Bond 25... (Even though Barbara Broccoli and Sony co-chairman Amy Pascal would love to keep working together.)
I don't think so. Vesper was this generations Tracy. Madeline is a happy ending for Bond. He spared Blofeld because he's moving away from his old life of killing in order to be with Madeline (because she basically gave him an ultimatum, him or the job, and he seemingly chose her), not because they want Blofeld alive for Bond 25.
At least that's what I think anyway.
-MI6 HQ getting blown up, yet again, this time for good it seems
-Bond straigthening his darn tie or suit cuffs
Everything else seems quite smashing. Looking forward to it immensely. Has a lavish feel to it.
Precisely, and with the leak taking place this is more likely to happen. another reason for this to be the last Craig Bond film.
Not skiing though it seems.
And even if they did decide to make a 5th film with Craig, and even if they did decide to bring Blofeld back, and even if they did decide to bring Madeline back, wouldn't it be too much if a woman Bond fell in love with died yet again?
That's par for the course for a secret agent, as long as he stays in the business.
Thanks! I will sleep better now.
I think you are right. We are all clearly kicking around the new info/outline that was leaked last night. Bond spares Blofeld at the end because he's not in the business of putting villains down like dogs, once they are helpless and in custody. He puts them down in the field, while they are at least active and potentially still threatening.
So, I think this finish does work. Its sets up Blofeld for return. Bond only spares him because he has no choice.
Madeleine finally gives Craig a girl he can properly finish a film with.
Tossing the gun in the river, really doesn't mean much going forward.
What is with Mendes and the DB5? The man is obsessed. :) Its like a running joke.
Many of our fears regarding the original drafts have been alleviated I think with last nights updated info. The worst stuff has been cleaned out.
I still don't care for the broader story. It's SF all over again to some extent. Bond's childhood and past again dredged up.
Put me firmly in the let's get back to Bond-on-mission films.
I honestly don't care about his past. What hooked me as teenager, was 007 on mission and in his prime, doing the job, with danger and style. But if others dig the character journey stuff, enjoy!
In meantime, I make the most of what's being served up.
@bondjames Yes, as you suggest, the character journey as you describe, did have its origins with LTK and continued through the Broz films.
Bond's character journey was not the prevailing theme of those films. It was sprinkled in.
Movies 16-20 were unmistakable as Bond films. We had the music, gun barrell, all the tropes, Bond-on-mission etc, which is why @panchito that I choose to classify the Craig films with NSNA as alternative Bond takes. Just my arbitrary call. No more than that.
Eg NSNA is an alternative Bond take, as Connery insisted that he play Bond at his own age, ie a 52 year old semi-retired Bond, and that's what we got.
NSNA wasn't the usual Bond of indeterminate prime-00 age. It was purposely presented, as Bond as older agent.
The Craig films also veer from Bond in prime, and on mission. They focus heavily on character journey, origins, old-dog etc.
I make this distinction, and thus separate the Craig-era and NSNA from the original run of 20 films, which all focused on Bond-on-mission, in his 00 prime.
Age, and time in the game, or even motivation, wasn't really an issue, in the original continuity, even the later Broz films.
And even if Rog looked too old, he wasn't supposed to be playing old dog. He wasn't playing his age.
I do wish SP could have dropped the whole Oberhauser origins stuff and connection with Bond's childhood. Would have been enough just to reveal Spectre as mastermind behind Quantum. I don't think the Oberhauser angle really adds anything terribly interesting, just as I don't find Bond's Skyfall origins very grabbing either.
On the bright side, even though we are getting more charcter journey, this does appear to be the first Craig film, where he is in fact as @waverly might put, in full possession of his Bond mojo, from start to finish.
This could be Craig's breakout film, where he shines as 007. Oberhauser is the one with issues, but it does seem that even that angle has been toned down.
But Craig, might be in Connery mode here. We might get some old style Bond swagger.
I might even remove this film from the alternative collection, depending on how DC carries it.
At very least, I think it has potential to be the best of the re-boot films.
What "we've finished up" with does seem to hold promise for a very good film.
Wonder if the music will be cranked up too.
There do seem to be a lot classic Bond scenarios sprinkled through the new outline.
I do like whats been done with the all the main characters, Lucia Sciarra, Swan, Hinks, Andrew Scott's character.
M, MP and Q seem well written. Same with Tanner.
What's fun about the latest info, is we can now make sense of a lot of the other info and photos that are surfacing. ie we know what the plane is all about.
And we know what Bond and Tanner are doing in the Thames boat ride photos that surfaced today.
The story revelations allow us to watch the story come to life as more set photos and videos etc manifest.
The actual film when it comes out, will be that much more interesting, IMO, to see how the story ultimately presents and hangs together in the end.
Yeah but he could've renegotiated that. The main piece of evidence pointing to that is EON/MGM dumping Sony after this film and SP acting as the de facto finale to all of Craig's films.
The ending isn't a shock at all. But there is something amazingly awesome about it and incredibly poignant. One little bit of a scene is described in the outline with the use of a specific type of pet, and I can already visualise the scene and the impact of it from the audience already.
Beautiful work EON.
I have specifically wondered whether the Sony hacks would lead to the end of the MGM-Sony partnership, re: Bond. Too early to tell, but it's a natural question -- especially if Amy Pascal would depart.
https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2014/11/12/wo-fat-classic-vs-reboot-spoiler/
That would be appropriate given that Five-0 2.0 did an homage to Die Another Day:
https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/mcgarrett-2-0-clearly-has-never-watched-die-another-day/
AND
https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/hawaii-five-0s-fixation-with-die-another-day/
AND
https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/compare-die-another-day-vs-hawaii-five-0/
While another episode had an homage to You Only Live Twice *and* Licence to Kill.
https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2012/09/24/new-hawaii-five-0-borrows-from-007-again/
WOW this is going to be good
I even like how Quantum is handled and I am not even drunk.
I guess so
Could you share (using spoilers tag), a bit more info on this "pet" scene, please!!
Since i cant ask you to post the links could you please tell me a little bit more of the scenes from wich we saw the photos yesterday (River Thames and Notting Hill apartment) and how the action will build up in the México sequence? thanks
Apartment - FYI bits inside were already filmed in Pinewood I think - Moneypenny visits Bond to return to him personal effects from Skyfall. Also SPOILER ALERT cameo in that scene
And the spoiler thread continues to be insanely popular. Many forummembers literally are "spoiled brats". I don't get it what "fun" you get out of reading all those leaks. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind being spoiled at times, but this leaked draft screenplay surely must throw away quite a bit of excitement you previously had.
I'm quite disappointed that we tend to forget the ethics behind all this. Yes, sure, Sony is a billion dollar company. But that never justifies the hacks those North-Korean basterds did. Moreover, what if the leaks were even worse for "SPECTRE", like it is the case now with "The Interview". The latter movie surely is the biggest victim of the SonyLeaks. "Guardians Of Peace" got what they want: Substantial censorships applied to that film. Ask yourself how you would have reacted if that was the case with "SPECTRE".
I'm still disappointed in many of us, and why we don't ask ourselves these ethical questions first, before we start behaving like "spoiled brats", before we start slamming down Sony, MGM & EON.