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  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    So I re-read some of the leaked script & the one thing I've been wondering is when does this film take place? Is it set directly after Skyfall or is it set in present day? The script makes it seem like the movie is set directly after Skyfall, so I'm just curious if we're a few years in the past or currently in 2015.

    i believe it's meant to be a few months to a year after the events of Skyfall.
  • Given how they've apparently set Craig/Bond's birth date to 1971, I'd say SPECTRE takes place in 2015.
  • DrShatterhandDrShatterhand Garden of Death, near Belfast
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    Anyone else think that Blofeld's facial scarring is not only a nod to YOLT but a way to introduce plastic surgery shenanigans for future installments? Would mean Blofelds can pop up again in later installments even if Waltz decides he only wants to do another one?
  • leas_moleleas_mole love is the promise of suffering
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    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    So I re-read some of the leaked script & the one thing I've been wondering is when does this film take place? Is it set directly after Skyfall or is it set in present day? The script makes it seem like the movie is set directly after Skyfall, so I'm just curious if we're a few years in the past or currently in 2015.

    25/04/2015 is the date on Dr. Swann's prescription pad (2nd paragraph from the bottom - regarding the actual prescription, I assume it a on-set joke from the film crew!)

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    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    So I re-read some of the leaked script & the one thing I've been wondering is when does this film take place? Is it set directly after Skyfall or is it set in present day? The script makes it seem like the movie is set directly after Skyfall, so I'm just curious if we're a few years in the past or currently in 2015.

    It takes place in 2015 for sure.
    No Bond movie ever takes place in the past.
    The only thing is, that Skyfall in Spectres timeline could have taken place in 2014, and not in 2012.

    Everything else around a new Bond film is re-arranged.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Time is in flux in the Bond universe.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    lol brilliant.
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    I think we established much further back in this thread that SP is indeed set in the present ie 2015.
    I am sure we established that. But I am hazy on the details.
    However,I think we agreed that Bond has been working with the info that M gave him from the grave for some time, and when we catch up with Bond in Mexico, at the beginning of SP, he is making his move on Sciarra.
    So I think that Swann's prescription is potentially quite accurate :)
    There is no significance with that date, is there April 25, 2015?
  • aaron819aaron819 Switzerland
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    I agree with @timmer
  • SkyfallCraigSkyfallCraig Rome, Italy
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    There is a GAP between SF and SP, for sure.
    SF ends with a new assignment for Bond from M, no signs of this assignment in SP.
    More than that, there are some signs of an year at least passing between the two movies.
  • edited June 2015 Posts: 4,622
    @leasmole
    I just zoomed in on the "007 has a terrible secret" article :))

    That is funny. OK I get it now. It's not the date you are drawing attention to as having significance but rather the content of the prescription itself.

    If any of you haven't zoomed on that article yet, it's got some great spoilers regarding Swann and the Klinik and Pinewood behind-the-scenes set-building.
    But the prescription contains a joke at 007's expense. Funny!
    Wonder if the actual film, will include the prescription zoom?
  • leas_moleleas_mole love is the promise of suffering
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    @timmer - I was referencing the date that SPECTRE was set in as I have the Empire magazine and found the scan online. The other parts in the paragraph or rather on the prescription pad are a funny side effect ;)

    I mentioned the Empire magazine previously on another thread as Lio007 posted a recent French article which also mentioned the contents of the prescription pad and someone said it must be a joke. I wonder if it was one of the new dialogue changes Léa suggested to Sam :)) (I jest of course but she did mention that she suggest some small dialogue changes in the French article)
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    aaron819 wrote:
    Yes, I was also confused with that matter but for sure they are using the City Hall as the CNS.

    Do you think the Q computer in the extended TV spot is related to the CNS blackout? We can see on the HQ picture: >System Firewall [Alert code CNS 783V]
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  • aaron819aaron819 Switzerland
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    Lio007 wrote: »
    aaron819 wrote:
    Yes, I was also confused with that matter but for sure they are using the City Hall as the CNS.

    Do you think the Q computer in the extended TV spot is related to the CNS blackout? We can see on the HQ picture: >System Firewall [Alert code CNS 783V]
    w8HjxX.png

    @Lio007 I think it is to do with that and Q is wearing the same jacket as when they were filming at Trafalgar Square a couple of weeks ago. - London finale
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    shamelord wrote: »
    Casino Royale had 500 CGI shots - which may surprise some of people when they read this. Except for the obvious - the airport sequence with the new airliner - CGI is mostly used to touch up shots like removing the third crane in the Madagascar sequence, things like that.

    And QUANTUM had over 900 VFX shots. I don't know the numbers for SKYFALL, but they can certainly be misleading, depending on how many are just driving greenscreen shots or the like. But the real problem on most of the Bond films is that their post schedules are very compressed, so the quality often suffers as a result, not getting to finesse the work plus having it spread to a huge number of different vendors (which isn't the issue it once was, but aesthetically it isn't always ideal.) QUANTUM had been intended to be an anamorphic shoot, but the extra time dealing with that in post for the effects houses would have been enough of a delay to screw up the release.

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    The real difference in VFX quality was seen in The World Is Not Enough ad Die Another Day. The latter had twice the number of shots to work on. Both movies shared the same Effects team led by Maya Bryan. And the VFX in Die Another Day were mostly not good. To take a peculiar example sky replacement due to bad weather on the set is invisible in the parahawk sequence in TWINE and it is castatrophic at the end of the Cuban scenes where Jinx escapes. They couldn't stomach the workload on that last Brosnan movie going all CGI.
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    shamelord wrote: »
    The real difference in VFX quality was seen in The World Is Not Enough ad Die Another Day. The latter had twice the number of shots to work on. Both movies shared the same Effects team led by Maya Bryan. And the VFX in Die Another Day were mostly not good. To take a peculiar example sky replacement due to bad weather on the set is invisible in the parahawk sequence in TWINE and it is castatrophic at the end of the Cuban scenes where Jinx escapes. They couldn't stomach the workload on that last Brosnan movie going all CGI.

    I just read that ILM and Cinesite are the main visual effects companies on the film. Is this a first for a Bond production - to have two large companies doing the effects, including ILM, that to my knowledge has not worked on a Bond movie before? Or maybe I read it wrong.

    I have every confidence that the effects will be great and hopefully seamless. There is certainly a huge leap in the incredible level of realism and details that visual effects have come in general in just 10 - 15 years. To be honest, I didn't notice a majority in Skyfall. Maybe the reason is that they are being used more in areas where I don't even expect them to be in the first place.
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    Brimar wrote: »
    shamelord wrote: »
    The real difference in VFX quality was seen in The World Is Not Enough ad Die Another Day. The latter had twice the number of shots to work on. Both movies shared the same Effects team led by Maya Bryan. And the VFX in Die Another Day were mostly not good. To take a peculiar example sky replacement due to bad weather on the set is invisible in the parahawk sequence in TWINE and it is castatrophic at the end of the Cuban scenes where Jinx escapes. They couldn't stomach the workload on that last Brosnan movie going all CGI.

    I just read that ILM and Cinesite are the main visual effects companies on the film. Is this a first for a Bond production - to have two large companies doing the effects, including ILM, that to my knowledge has not worked on a Bond movie before? Or maybe I read it wrong.

    I have every confidence that the effects will be great and hopefully seamless. There is certainly a huge leap in the incredible level of realism and details that visual effects have come in general in just 10 - 15 years. To be honest, I didn't notice a majority in Skyfall. Maybe the reason is that they are being used more in areas where I don't even expect them to be in the first place.

    Yes, this is a first for ILM and Bond. MPC and Double Negative will be working on it too.
    ....while on the upcoming James Bond film Spectre, the company (ILM) are working in tandem with Dneg and MPC.

    A case in point, she adds, is the world’s most beloved spy, aka the longest-running franchise in cinema history. “ILM has never made a Bond film, but we have just started our first.” Sam Mendes’s Spectre, currently in production and the follow-up to the $1 billion-grossing Skyfall, the most successful ever 007 film, “is a good example of what we are setting out to achieve.”

    sohocreate.co.uk/centre-of-the-universe-industrial-light-magic/
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    The invisibility of the vfx often has to do with how the live-action is prepped. On SKYFALL, if they had scenes looking from the inside of the manor outside, they would lay out an appropriate color backing (white, black, grey, to give the right kind of reflected light in the scene, which helps the eventual comp. Better than just sticking a greenscreen out there, to be sure, but not everybody knows to do this or takes the time. Deakins and Begg were a good team in this regard. Would imagine Hoyte will follow suite.
  • edited June 2015 Posts: 95
    Brimar wrote: »
    shamelord wrote: »
    The real difference in VFX quality was seen in The World Is Not Enough ad Die Another Day. The latter had twice the number of shots to work on. Both movies shared the same Effects team led by Maya Bryan. And the VFX in Die Another Day were mostly not good. To take a peculiar example sky replacement due to bad weather on the set is invisible in the parahawk sequence in TWINE and it is castatrophic at the end of the Cuban scenes where Jinx escapes. They couldn't stomach the workload on that last Brosnan movie going all CGI.

    I just read that ILM and Cinesite are the main visual effects companies on the film. Is this a first for a Bond production - to have two large companies doing the effects, including ILM, that to my knowledge has not worked on a Bond movie before? Or maybe I read it wrong.

    I have every confidence that the effects will be great and hopefully seamless. There is certainly a huge leap in the incredible level of realism and details that visual effects have come in general in just 10 - 15 years. To be honest, I didn't notice a majority in Skyfall. Maybe the reason is that they are being used more in areas where I don't even expect them to be in the first place.

    Yes, this is a first for ILM and Bond. MPC and Double Negative will be working on it too.
    ....while on the upcoming James Bond film Spectre, the company (ILM) are working in tandem with Dneg and MPC.

    A case in point, she adds, is the world’s most beloved spy, aka the longest-running franchise in cinema history. “ILM has never made a Bond film, but we have just started our first.” Sam Mendes’s Spectre, currently in production and the follow-up to the $1 billion-grossing Skyfall, the most successful ever 007 film, “is a good example of what we are setting out to achieve.”

    sohocreate.co.uk/centre-of-the-universe-industrial-light-magic/

    Thanks for the link! The visual effects were one of the few elements that I've not thought a lot about in regards to SPECTRE'S production. Hopefully it turns out to be a case of " what effects?" in the end.
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    With ILM coming on board, I don't think we should worry about the VFX in this as much tbh...
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    antovolk wrote: »
    With ILM coming on board, I don't think we should worry about the VFX in this as much tbh...

    What, you never saw the last reel of the second MUMMY movie? Or the second GHOSTBUSTERS? Or any of BATTLESHIP?

    Enormous postproduction time crunch on second MUMMY resulted in a major villain looking about as bad as their Edgar bug in MEN IN BLACK looked great. I don't know what happened on BATTLESHIP, but the visual credibility wasn't there either.

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    trevanian wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    With ILM coming on board, I don't think we should worry about the VFX in this as much tbh...

    What, you never saw the last reel of the second MUMMY movie? Or the second GHOSTBUSTERS? Or any of BATTLESHIP?

    Enormous postproduction time crunch on second MUMMY resulted in a major villain looking about as bad as their Edgar bug in MEN IN BLACK looked great. I don't know what happened on BATTLESHIP, but the visual credibility wasn't there either.

    Thought I had read that ILM visual effects supervisor on Ghostbusters 2, Dennis Muren, was also under a time crunch that year because of Cameron's, The Abyss, later that summer which probably took a majority of the time and resources. I was actually shocked years later to find out that GB 2 was Muren, who then went on to win an Oscar (with 3 others effects supervisors) that year for The Abyss. Since then I think he has done all stellar work - at least on the films I know of. But not too active these days.

    Hopefully in the case of SP, the multiple effects companies will have enough personnel that issues such as these are not likely to happen. But it does have a rather tight post production schedule.


  • SkyfallCraigSkyfallCraig Rome, Italy
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    I don't think there will be enormous CGI scene in this movie
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    I don't think there will be enormous CGI scene in this movie

    I agree. I think with all the practical shooting they have been doing and all the on location filming, I think the visual effects stuff with be more there to augment pre existing stuff like turning the 1,500 extras in Mexico City to 10,000 or adding some rain in London. Things like that.
  • antovolk wrote: »
    With ILM coming on board, I don't think we should worry about the VFX in this as much tbh...
    Yeah, we should worry only if ILM London had to work at the same time on a major release from the Star Wars franchise.. Oh wait :)

    I'm 80% kidding. But I'm not kidding on the fact that Chris Corbould said to someone's friend here that there would be "lots" of effects. CG rain ok, CG crowd hm ok, CG cars hmmm cough, CG locations oh please no.. and CG scar is a hit or miss...


  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    antovolk wrote: »
    With ILM coming on board, I don't think we should worry about the VFX in this as much tbh...
    Yeah, we should worry only if ILM London had to work at the same time on a major release from the Star Wars franchise.. Oh wait :)

    I'm 80% kidding. But I'm not kidding on the fact that Chris Corbould said to someone's friend here that there would be "lots" of effects. CG rain ok, CG crowd hm ok, CG cars hmmm cough, CG locations oh please no.. and CG scar is a hit or miss...


    I'm not worried... really. Still don't get the practice of short post production though.

    This from the guy that crammed before each exam in college lol.
  • aaron819aaron819 Switzerland
    edited June 2015 Posts: 1,208
    What set is this:

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  • ThomasCrown76ThomasCrown76 Augusta, ks
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    On the bridge at the end? Or interior of blofelds hideout in morocco?
  • Could be the interior to MI6? or Blofeld's lair.
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