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Things you never want to see in a Bond film again

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  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    I'll agree with that....
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2015 Posts: 23,883
    suavejmf wrote: »
    The film is great considering the writers strike. Craig's performance s excellent. Greene was a bland villain though......a pussy.
    True. Almaric played him very well though. Smarmy. One almost wants to take a shower after watching him. Great performance...
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited November 2015 Posts: 6,277
    AVB wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    I do think QoS is crying out for a critical reappraisal decades from now, much like OHMSS. Crazy editing aside, it is much more restrained than SF and SP, and there are individual scenes better than anything in SF and SP.

    It's one of my favourite Bond films(QoS). People's gripes with largely stem from the fact that it deviates from formula. It doesn't fulfill their nostalgic needs. It surprises me with each viewing actually


    As for the topic;

    I don't want to ever see Team-MI6 again. M, Q(although I admit he was quite handy in SP), MP and, God forbid, Agent Tanner have really started to grate on me. Bond is best in the field alone, meeting exotic people, occasionally teaming up with an ally like Mathis(may he rest in peace) and Leiter. The constant cuts to this lot take away focus on Bond and what he's doing. He shouldn't need their help.

    A sockless Waltz.
    Bond wearing jeans.

    Yes, yes, and yes.

    I think this is basically what people are saying when they say they just want M, Moneypenny, and Q at the beginning of the mission, and then for Bond to get on with it. Frankly Moneypenny could have been dropped in CR permanently and I don't think the series would have lost anything.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Bond wearing anything less than sophisticated has always been a problem with me in the Craig era (Roger in Live and Let Die as well and even Timothy in The Living Daylights). I am not saying he should be always seen in a business suit, but he shouldn't rely on Jeans and fake label casual T-shirts, either. And please no leather jackets, either.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Bond wearing anything less than sophisticated has always been a problem with me in the Craig era (Roger in Live and Let Die as well and even Timothy in The Living Daylights). I am not saying he should be always seen in a business suit, but he shouldn't rely on Jeans and fake label casual T-shirts, either. And please no leather jackets, either.
    I've always liked Bond in a bit of casual fare from time to time. Rog when he went to fly the plane with Mrs. Bell. Dan at L'Americain. Tim in Tangiers, and of course Sean in Nassau. I agree that the quality of the apparel must be top notch though. No slumming for Bond.
  • AVBAVB
    edited November 2015 Posts: 97
    echo wrote: »
    Yes, yes, and yes.

    I think this is basically what people are saying when they say they just want M, Moneypenny, and Q at the beginning of the mission, and then for Bond to get on with it. Frankly Moneypenny could have been dropped in CR permanently and I don't think the series would have lost anything.

    I agree, she adds nothing. I don't mind MP being in a Bond film, she is part of the furniture afterall, but why could she not just be there as opposed to having this convoluted backstory? From field agent to secretary? Please. Eve should have just been an MI6 operative and been killed by Silva on the island along with Severine(or in her place perhaps).

    Tanner also has become redundant. He was like a spare part in SP! Fiennes is great and I think Wishaw is probably a bit too good to be used in a cameo. Too many famous faces I suppose!

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited November 2015 Posts: 15,423
    bondjames wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Bond wearing anything less than sophisticated has always been a problem with me in the Craig era (Roger in Live and Let Die as well and even Timothy in The Living Daylights). I am not saying he should be always seen in a business suit, but he shouldn't rely on Jeans and fake label casual T-shirts, either. And please no leather jackets, either.
    I've always liked Bond in a bit of casual fare from time to time. Rog when he went to fly the plane with Mrs. Bell. Dan at L'Americain. Tim in Tangiers, and of course Sean in Nassau. I agree that the quality of the apparel must be top notch though. No slumming for Bond.
    Personally, for me, of course, the perfect casual look for Bond would be going as far as to count his blue outfit in Thunderball, Roger's safari suits, and Brosnan's first Cuban outfit in Die Another Day. They were and are the perfect casual look for a sophisticated spy for my perspective. I did like Daniel's look at the end of Quantum of Solace.

    The ones that never worked for me are:
    1-Roger Moore's Live and Let Die look during the Mrs. Bell scene.
    2-Timothy Dalton's Moroccan look in The Living Daylights.
    3-Daniel Craig's outfit during the night in Bahamas, Miami and even Venice in Casino Royale.
    --The Haitian outfit in Quantum of Solace.
    --The beach outfit in Skyfall, which endures during his encounter with M.
    --The Moroccan outfit in Spectre.
  • AVBAVB
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    I do think Tom Ford needs to be dropped. I've never seen what is so special about his pieces, whether they be suits or a simple polo. It's either very dull or a little bit camp. I know Craig is a muscly guy but the tight polo's are a no-no. As are the tight suits.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    AVB wrote: »
    I do think Tom Ford needs to be dropped. I've never seen what is so special about his pieces, whether they be suits or a simple polo. It's either very dull or a little bit camp. I know Craig is a muscly guy but the tight polo's are a no-no. As are the tight suits.
    Thank you. Someone had to say it.
  • AVBAVB
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    AVB wrote: »
    I do think Tom Ford needs to be dropped. I've never seen what is so special about his pieces, whether they be suits or a simple polo. It's either very dull or a little bit camp. I know Craig is a muscly guy but the tight polo's are a no-no. As are the tight suits.
    Thank you. Someone had to say it.

    Oh I think others have been saying it aswell!

    To add to what should never be seen in a Bond film again; HEINEKIN. Bond should never, EVER be seen with a Heiny in his hand. I know they have a deal but Bond would rather drink urine.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    AVB wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    AVB wrote: »
    I do think Tom Ford needs to be dropped. I've never seen what is so special about his pieces, whether they be suits or a simple polo. It's either very dull or a little bit camp. I know Craig is a muscly guy but the tight polo's are a no-no. As are the tight suits.
    Thank you. Someone had to say it.

    Oh I think others have been saying it aswell!

    To add to what should never be seen in a Bond film again; HEINEKIN. Bond should never, EVER be seen with a Heiny in his hand. I know they have a deal but Bond would rather drink urine.
    Or switching dry martini with a dirty martini for the matter. Some commercial deals can really hurt the material.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    AVB wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    AVB wrote: »
    I do think Tom Ford needs to be dropped. I've never seen what is so special about his pieces, whether they be suits or a simple polo. It's either very dull or a little bit camp. I know Craig is a muscly guy but the tight polo's are a no-no. As are the tight suits.
    Thank you. Someone had to say it.

    Oh I think others have been saying it aswell!

    To add to what should never be seen in a Bond film again; HEINEKIN. Bond should never, EVER be seen with a Heiny in his hand. I know they have a deal but Bond would rather drink urine.
    Or switching dry martini with a dirty martini for the matter. Some commercial deals can really hurt the material.

    A "dirty martini" isn't a commercial deal, though. I think it's an attempt to give Bond a pun with a bit of sexual spark. It doesn't really work.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    AVB wrote: »
    I do think Tom Ford needs to be dropped. I've never seen what is so special about his pieces, whether they be suits or a simple polo. It's either very dull or a little bit camp. I know Craig is a muscly guy but the tight polo's are a no-no. As are the tight suits.
    Thank you. Someone had to say it.

    Agreed. Tom Ford's stuff is 'faux-classy' and it just doesn't suit the character.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited November 2015 Posts: 9,117
    No mention of the '00 program' ever again.

    Utterly unacceptable. Like removing the slide whistle from TMWTGG I would be willing to pay good money to someone who can tweak the audio and change this to '00 section' when I get my bluray.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Just gave SF a rewatch. I never ever want to see Bond drink Heineken again. Or seeing him drinking shots with a scorpion on his hand. Very working class.

    I thoroughly enjoyed the rest of the movie, but that part they should have left out. Fleming would have been furious.
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
    edited November 2015 Posts: 1,874
    Potentially good Bond girls, i.e. Berenice Marlohe and Monica Bellucci, wasted.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Just gave SF a rewatch. I never ever want to see Bond drink Heineken again. Or seeing him drinking shots with a scorpion on his hand. Very working class.

    I honestly think he would have called Craig too working class for the role in 2006.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Just gave SF a rewatch. I never ever want to see Bond drink Heineken again. Or seeing him drinking shots with a scorpion on his hand. Very working class.

    I honestly think he would have called Craig too working class for the role in 2006.

    He probably would have. He also thought Connery was too working class, but he proved him wrong. As did Craig to a certain amount. But stuff like the Heineken/scorpion scene in SF are better left out.
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
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    The nitpicking in this thread (especially in regards to casual attire and Heineken) is just hilarious. :(( :D
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
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    He drinks it for literally 6 seconds. There is far worse product placement throughout the series (7UP in MR? Sony in CR? BMW in the Broz era?). As someone who hates all beer anyway, this doesn't even register on my radar as all beer is of substandard quality.
  • AVBAVB
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    What does it matter if he drinks it for 1 second or steadily glugs it throughout every scene. The point, which you have missed, is that he drinks it at all. Heinekin is rubbish, and thus it is totally out of character(however you define it) for Bond to swig on it. Bond has very refined tastes and preferences, that is just part of who he is, and for the most part the Craig era has forgotten this for whatever reason.

    I don't recall him eating or drinking anything decent in any of these films. Did he have a 'Hmm, Royal Beluga, north of the Caspian' moment?
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    product placement pays the bills, I do not really care. As for beer drinking what is the big deal, in some places Bond should operate cocktails are hard to come by, while beer isn't all that difficult to get anywhere.

    But 24 million budget for a poor car chase is something I would not mind seeing ever again. Spend the money on something exciting otherwise the franchise will bleed slowly to dead.
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
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    I'd counter all beer is rubbish so where are we? It's product placement, nothing else. Yes, I really miss these cultured moments where Bond is portrayed as a connoisseur, but it doesn't bother me any more than Bond not smoking anymore. It would really mean something to fans if he orders a specific wine or critiques so and so, but ultimately I don't mind as long as the rest of the film is up to par.

    CR probably has the closest of these moments ("skewered. one sympathizes"). I think Craig Bond's snobbery is pretty well articulated without the need to go this further step, but I wouldn't mind if it was there. People must just have some aversion to Heineken.
  • TR007TR007
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    Bond is not an assassin.
    He is a spy with a license to kill!
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    TR007 wrote: »
    Bond is not an assassin.
    He is a spy with a license to kill!

    And if he is send out to kill somebody he is.........?
  • TR007TR007
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    TR007 wrote: »
    Bond is not an assassin.
    He is a spy with a license to kill!

    And if he is send out to kill somebody he is.........?
    ...A spy with a license to kill. Simple as that.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    TR007 wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    TR007 wrote: »
    Bond is not an assassin.
    He is a spy with a license to kill!

    And if he is send out to kill somebody he is.........?
    ...A spy with a license to kill. Simple as that.

    A state sanctioned assassin. What is your problem with that label?- Does that make your hero a tainted one, if you do not like that then you've missed one of the messages DC's 007 has tried to bring across.

  • TR007TR007
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    I get the message and I loved how they weaved it through Casino and Quantum but they were really bashing me over the head with it in Spectre. It was totally unnecessary.
    Get back to making the 00 Section about secret agents and stop rewriting it as the 00 Programme with simple assassins.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    If they keep writing the movies by committee you will have to expect no real improvement on that front.
  • AVBAVB
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    Aziz_Fekkesh wrote: »
    I'd counter all beer is rubbish so where are we? It's product placement, nothing else. Yes, I really miss these cultured moments where Bond is portrayed as a connoisseur, but it doesn't bother me any more than Bond not smoking anymore. It would really mean something to fans if he orders a specific wine or critiques so and so, but ultimately I don't mind as long as the rest of the film is up to par.

    CR probably has the closest of these moments ("skewered. one sympathizes"). I think Craig Bond's snobbery is pretty well articulated without the need to go this further step, but I wouldn't mind if it was there. People must just have some aversion to Heineken.

    Bond wouldn't drink it, end of story. There is nothing else to be said about it. Smoking is totally different, it's not considered classy at all anymore and for good reason. Smoking was in vogue during the 20's-70's.

    If you are blase about specific character traits then it never ends and you lose touch with the original copy, and then Bond might as well be anybody or anything. Fleming gave Bond very specific characteristics and quirks for very specific reasons. It won't matter to the casual moviegoer but to some of us it does.

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