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Ha ha. Yes I forgot he was a pervert.
"Yes that's right Brosnan, £10 is all they are paying me to direct this steaming turd" said Tamahori just before Pierce shot him.
That's just my little VR fantasy.
MP is the bait-and-switch in these locations. We're meant to think that she's the Bond girl, when in reality it's M.
I agree with you about the egregious use of the earpiece. In the next film, I'd like Bond to rip out the earpiece and "go rogue" without MI6's interference: "Stuff this bloody earpiece, I'm a professional."
DAD would require a page-one rewrite. Take out all the stupid references and completely rethink Jinx and her role in the story. Or remove her entirely. Is she really needed? I think she could be completely excised, forcing Bond to investigate Graves alone. Yes, I'm fairly certain that would make for a better movie.
So I don't hesitate to watch DIE ANOTHER DAY and enjoy most of it, but that's with some knowledge of what could have been direly worse. No second chances in this case. Or maybe I'll reach the forgive and remember stage eventually.
Rogue from the earpiece interference.
Not going to happen, he's pretty old now you know.
Even the PTS that many people seem to love does not mean anything to me. It is one of the many absurd action scenes of the Brosnan era overload with explosions, mashine guns and silliness (surfing to Noth Korea???). The film is so full of nonsense that I even don't mind the stupid Madonna Cameo.
But the worst thing is the overall plot. So I cannot understand those who say that there is actually a great film behind DAD which is just ruined by some silly elements and bad casting choices. I would understand this argument for TWINE but not with regard to DAD. The overall villain scheme is ludicrous and the villain changing his gene structure in order to look like a Brit is quite offensive. I wonder what Korean people think of such an idea?
I can live quite happily with silly elements, they don't ruin a Bond film for me. 1973 - 1985 was full of them and I love the Moore era. No, what I was saying is if the core idea for the plot was taken right back to the drawing board and started again we could have got a very good film with a better director.
Imagine the bare bones story of DAD put with a 'Daniel Craig' type Bond in today's slightly more realistic approach (I use that word loosely BTW), it would have worked. Brosnan is on record as wanting that sort of approach, so too are the writers. As the figure head of DAD Tamohori should take full reponsibility for screwing it up.
Except for a few stupid quips ("Saved by the bell") the first half, especially those Cuba scenes before the idiotic Jinx conversation (though with the notable exception of the Madonna dirge), gave me the impression of a pretty good Bond movie, and I was quite pleasantly surprised and confident that the movie would be miles better than its lukewarm, boring, and convoluted predecessor (which also foreshadowed the subterranean quality of dialogue to come, but I didn't know that at first).
How wrong I was. The second half ruined everything for me. Dismal dialogue with the worst puerile puns of the franchise (and while Rog could get away with something like that, Broz couldn't). DNA exchange. Invisible car. Lousy CGI overall, not just limited to that tsunami surfing nonsense. Mr. Kil, like Christmas Jones having that name only for turning it into stupid puns. Power Ranger suit. I don't even like the ice palace, it looks completely fake. Worst editing until QOS. Really a bad, bad movie for me.
They should have let Jinx become the sacrificial lamb at Los Organos, and let Bond blow up the place in a rage, killing all the baddies right there. Leave out the rest, edit the remaining scenes down to size, cut out the bits of idiocy, and we would have had a nice PTS for the next movie. But the way it is, every single other Bond film (not counting CR '67) is cinematic gold in comparison. OK, make that silver for TWINE, AVTAK and DAF.
Yes, the Korean-to-Brit plot is offensive and I'm surprised it got past the producers in 2002. But oddly, I'm now wondering if it was inspired by YOLT.
Brosnan is quite good in his Dench scenes in DAD. Then again, playing opposite Dench would probably elevate even Talisa Soto's acting.
One of the many problems with DAD is that they didn't shoot on location very much, just using various places around the UK. Not that they could shoot in North Korea, but still...
I agree that one part of the plot is actually really creative: Bond getting caught and tortured and then exchanged for Zao is something new in the franchise. It shows what it can mean to be a spy. It also shows the conflict between M and Bond quite feasibly.
The thing however is: If you want to use such an extreme experience - being tortured in a North-Korean prison for more than one year - you must acknowledge it better in the rest of the film. I find that DAD does not manage to handle the "result" of the torture scenes properly. Remember Bond in CR being tortured once for 10 minutes and being affected by it immensely days or even weeks later. This kind of vulnerability hardly exists in DAD. Bond does not seem to be overly harmed by being tortured for month. So like in SP the torture elements are not really effective.
The rest of the plot - as I said - is rather awfull, especially the forced over-the-topness of the villains. I can accept Max Zorin being the result of former Nazi experiments. It is used in a very subtle way in AVTAK. Grave's back story, however, is so far beyond believability that I cannot take the character seriously. The very same applies to Zao and his diamond face. And how much time should have passed by since the PTS so that Graves can not just get a completely new identity but also to establish himself as an extremely rich business man? I also found that actually all of the emotions in this film were forced and cheap. This especially applies to the dialouge between General Moon and his son...
So maybe yes they could have made a much better film if they had executed some of the good ideas better and developed a completely new story based on this ideas.
We're only about a quarter of the way into DAD when Jinx turns up. The rotten puns and DNA stuff start there. If we are writing that off then we haven't even got half a good film.
I agree that one part of the plot is actually really creative: Bond getting caught and tortured and then exchanged for Zao is something new in the franchise. It shows what it can mean to be a spy. It also shows the conflict between M and Bond quite feasibly.
The thing however is: If you want to use such an extreme experience - being tortured in a North-Korean prison for more than one year - you must acknowledge it better in the rest of the film. I find that DAD does not manage to handle the "result" of the torture scenes properly. Remember Bond in CR being tortured once for 10 minutes and being affected by it immensely days or even weeks later. This kind of vulnerability hardly exists in DAD. Bond does not seem to be overly harmed by being tortured for month. So like in SP the torture elements are not really effective
Yep, totally agree. 1 of many pieces of nonsense. A really good idea just tossed away. CR Bond spent ages convalescing from torture, DAD Bond just needs a shave and a bottle of Champagne!
Tamahori finds an uninvited guest in his office.
"So you have seen the finished film?"
Yeah that shootout is decent, but the CGI dive is horrible. I find the groaning one-liners worse than the Vanish.
No, I'm afraid nothing could elevate Soto's acting. She should have stuck to modelling or whatever she used to do before LTK.
A normally calm, reserved soul he erupted into an obscenity-laden tirade that "BLEEPIN KOREA DOESN'T NEED BLEEPIN JAMES BOND TO BLEEPIN BLEEPIN SAVE US, THAT BLEEPIN BLEEPIN BLEEP BLEEP."
So I don't think he eventually saw the film.
Oh it's a great chase. One of the best. Tends to get lost for me in that oh so troublesome final half/third of the movie, but it's a real diamond in the Zao face, as it were.
I'm surprised a South Korean had a problem with DAD. As an American, I don't have a problem with Bond saving us in GF. Heck, I even look past the fact that DAD makes the CIA look like jerks. The North I could see having a fit, but no one cares what those propagandists think.