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  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    A precedent has certainly been set with this decision? I wonder what will be next?

    A man was once forced to go into hiding for writing a book. I find it very worrying that now a few hackers can decide what we'll see or not. Let's not forget at least one Bond movie had North Koreans as baddies.

    Everyone who is opposed to hackers dictating what we watch or don't watch should watch DAD out of protest.

    I wish there was a better way.
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    Freedom of thoughts gives everybody the right to be unsensitive to the beliefs (how ridiculous they might be for us) of others? I don't think so. Freedom of whatever ALWAYS contains a huge dose of responsibility. You can't just gawk out whateverysou want and deal with the response in saying "Oh, we have freedom of whaever" That this is not working is what we see all around. Freedom is fine, but most people don't know how to handle it. Its a precious and fragile gift to have.

    Yes freedom comes with responsibilities. The most important one being defending freedom of conscience. I am not Muslim, I do NOT have to abide by Islamic rules. Or Christian ones, for that matter. Ideas and beliefs can be criticizes and ridiculed. Especially IF they are ridicule. Like thinking a nasty little tyrant is divine and does not go to the toilet to release his bowels. Kim Jong Un is a petty, stupid spoiled brat. If we can't say it out of fear, we are insulting all those who suffer his tyranny.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    Freedom of thoughts gives everybody the right to be unsensitive to the beliefs (how ridiculous they might be for us) of others?
    Absolutely. GL, I think you miss a big point.
    I believe in reincarnation. Wanna poke fun at that? Call me a Buddhaboy? Laugh? Go ahead, see if I care (Cool- got a Dench line in there). Those insecure enough to react to jokes or criticism are the ones on shaky ground with their beliefs, hence the anger. I say eff 'em if they can't take a joke.
    If you want to start legislating to control or soothe people's hurt feelings, well then welcome to 1984ville.
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    Furthermore, we are not talking about silly but harmless beliefs. Even that could be ridiculed. But this is far worse: the beliefs imposed on North Korean population by its regime are harmful. To them first, now to everyone in the western world.

    So yes, Kim Jong Un is a stupid spoiled brat and his tyranny a sinister farce. Give him fibres, that's all he needs.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Yeah, if you're gonna be a world class turd, you gotta be prepared for a little world class ridicule.
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    Hm, btw chris, welcome to the club of those, who believe or know, that reincarnation is indeed what we all go through. I am with you on that.
    If you are in some way believing in spiritual means, you should know best, that insulting people like him has never resulted in anything even remotely good.
  • aaron819aaron819 Switzerland
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    I hope Blofeld is Oberhausser, if not that would be quite stupid
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    aaron819 wrote: »
    I hope Blofeld is Oberhausser, if not that would be quite stupid

    Of course he
    is
  • aaron819aaron819 Switzerland
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    Can't wait
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    insulting people like him has never resulted in anything even remotely good.
    I think the movie will be a waste of time & I never would have green lighted it in the first place, but people have to be allowed their stupidity.
    Let's get insane for a second- lets make sure ridicule like this never happens by not allowing dictators like Kim to exist in the first place, okay? You want limits to free speech, how about limits to dirtbag leaders? Wanting to control stuff is a slippery slope.....
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    The socialists had it coming. And so did Sony. Now it is my turn perhaps.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @aaron819, that comment doesn't belong in this thread.

    As for the whole Sony hack and debacle with 'The Interview,' the hackers are now threatening Sony once more, stating that they will be hacked again if they don't wipe all evidence that 'The Interview' ever existed.
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    The Interview now has 10/10 on IMDB
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    This is peanuts. Just imagine if Sony made a Muhammad film true to the sources instead of that silly "comedy".
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited December 2014 Posts: 17,804
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    As for the whole Sony hack and debacle with 'The Interview,' the hackers are now threatening Sony once more, stating that they will be hacked again if they don't wipe all evidence that 'The Interview' ever existed.
    Oh well, they better do it then, eh? Gotta make these guys happy, right?
    [-(
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Imagine if this happened for 'Spectre.' Whew. Don't even get me started.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    "Because Bond make bad press for us in his Madonna movie SPECTRE must be pull also completely out- you MUST comply!"
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Careful now. The Kims are demigods.
  • Careful now. The Kims are demigods.

    Jong-un, Kardashian, Possible. With their powers combined, America doesn't stand a chance.
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    Hm, btw chris, welcome to the club of those, who believe or know, that reincarnation is indeed what we all go through. I am with you on that.
    If you are in some way believing in spiritual means, you should know best, that insulting people like him has never resulted in anything even remotely good.

    Being polite is no more an option, and it is insulting to his victims, now among them many poeple working in the cinema industry who lost an income. And freedom of expression and conscience, which just got taken down a few notches. That is your freedom and mine too. A petty dictator in a remote country who is starving his own people has decided what was right for you and me to watch.
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    "Because Bond make bad press for us in his Madonna movie SPECTRE must be pull also completely out- you MUST comply!"

    Exactly. And let's just burn the books too, which started it all. After all, in GF the henchmen were Korean.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    No wonder they eat cats if they can get them.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    We don't quite have to go there with that IMO.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    With the west hamstrung by leadership weaker than the Liverpool defence its clear to me who we need to draft in to sort tubby hard man Kim out:



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    Well, I think the West is waking up. There's been an unanimous condemnation of the hacking (downright cyber terrorism imo) and Sony is trying to find a way to show the movie. And it is a 10 on IMDb.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I heard that Sony were getting pressure from the real heads of the company i.e. Japan to shut the movie down.
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    There will always be pressures. It is easy to capitulate to bullies.
  • SarkSark Guangdong, PRC
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    Yes, Sony Japan was more concerned about the movie. North Korea is a much more present threat than for the US.
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    I heard that Sony were getting pressure from the real heads of the company i.e. Japan to shut the movie down.

    YES! Someone finally posts the actual key point. Sony US is just a division of Sony Japan. They have already suffered huge damage to their brand. Thousands of employees have been grossly harmed with their SSN's and health records in the already released data just waiting for thousands of dishonest hackers to wade through and use.

    Instead the media is giddy with the gossip and dirt. And they just want more of it, no matter the cost to Sony and thousands of innocent employees caught up in the mess. The damage already done to important relationships (Jolie, Rudin, EON etc) is no doubt just the tip of what will occur if further data is released. Without these relationships, how the hell does Sony make films? The self-serving media loves the gossip. It draws hits to their sites. They are making money off ot it. And the posturing by the multi-milllionaire Hollywood elites that have cotton for brains and no responsibility for the real world of damage management that Sony is wading into is eye ball rolling.

    Someone brought up the Team America movie. And exactly what billion dollar multi national co. got hacked of terabytes of data, and all servers destroyed over that release? Different time, different world. And why isn't it getting released over Netflix and Amazon. Hello. Amazon has one of the biggest out-sourcing data infrastructures in the world. They will risk it to hacking for a Seth Rogan film? Really? And Netflix. They too will risk their entire network structure to hacking by these terrorists too?

    This was a business decision. A bad and horrible politically incorrect decision versus an even worse and even more damaging politically correct decision. They could not afford more data leaks, more relationship destruction, more unfilmed scripts released, still thousands of more employee records released with millions of dollars in liability lawsuits already underway, more crippling damage to their brand. Sometimes the real world does not make for easy black and white decisions. Sony Japan, and you better believe it was Japan, is making the big decisions here.

    And about Sony's supposed lax data security and the comments that Sony had none. Yes, right and the NSA, the most secret agency in the entire US gov't had none either? All it takes is a rotten apple or group getting the login of a system administrator with root privs. You then have access to everything. If NSA's data was toast in the hands of a junior System Administrator contractor who was a high school drop out, what chance did Sony have with a much more sinister group hacking away over time. This new form of cyber war has started. There is a lot of fear out there. People know NSA and Sony are just the beginning. Obama was wrong to trash Sony for a "bad" decision. They had no choice. He is a lawyer. He knows better.



  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    smitty wrote: »
    This was a business decision. A bad and horrible politically incorrect decision versus an even worse and even more damaging politically correct decision.
    This was a very well written post, but it's faux-complexness is all too easy to spot.
    ;)
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