The Bond Movies & Actors I Can't Stand (Negativity Only Please)

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    suavejmf wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Brosnan Craig was a wasted asset. The scripts he was given make him the weakest 007 in the series.

    Works with Craig as well.

    Laughable. CR alone makes this a laughable comment.

    Yes, but I can't help thinking the rest of his films haven't lived up to that very very impressive start.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    I can't stand Timothy Dalton's performance in LTK!

    Talk about try too hard! His acting is so obvious you can see it! Overwrought and overplayed, his sad acting when he finds the poor dead Della is so fake it's hysterically funny "DELLA!" he cries with about as much realism as a Roger Moore fight scene.

    His grim face throughout the entire film means he is very ANGRY someone hurt his friend (ooh DEA friend!) and they are going to pay. Even if it means resigning from MI6 and making his "farewell to arms" joke while in the HEMINGWAY HOUSE GEDDIT!!!!!!

    His performance in this is like having someone ring a dinner gong next to your head for two hours. And don't get me started on his silly haircut when he meets Sanchez.

    "More of a PROBLEM ELIMINATOR..." Oooh that's subtle! Might as well have I'M AN ASSASSIN Tattooed on his bonce!

    By the way I loved his performance in TLD....
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    I think you're a bit harsh but I do get your point.

    I've always felt a bit unsure about his "take me to him" delivery to Lupe. It's too in your face (literally) and it seems like Dalton is trying too hard to act intense and edgy.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    I think you're a bit harsh but I do get your point.

    I've always felt a bit unsure about his "take me to him" delivery to Lupe. It's too in your face (literally) and it seems like Dalton is trying too hard to act intense and edgy.

    Yes. His acting is forced and un-natural.

    Shame, as he was so good in TLD. Excellent performance all round.

    My criticism is a bit OTT but it's done with a sense of humour... :-*
  • Well, that does contribute to why LTK comes in last on my list.
  • The idea is just that Bond is that he is simply more intense in LTK. I would not necessarily say that that is bad acting. The scene at Hemingway House is still a very good scene as far as I'm concerned as is the 'problem eliminator' scene. If people cannot see that I will not try to convince them. Della's death did lack some sort of emotional punch that should've been there, and perhaps Dalton's acting did contribute to that.

    He has other great moments in LTK, like in his final bout with Sanchez, his acting was on point there.

    Only two points in LTK where I thought he overacted was when he wakes up on the bed - what the hell was that - and in the tanker when the tyres got shot and he swerved.

    Dalton did give an excellent performance as Bond in TLD of course, second-best in the franchise outdone only by Craig's performance in CR.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    The idea is just that Bond is that he is simply more intense in LTK. I would not necessarily say that that is bad acting. The scene at Hemingway House is still a very good scene as far as I'm concerned as is the 'problem eliminator' scene. If people cannot see that I will not try to convince them. Della's death did lack some sort of emotional punch that should've been there, and perhaps Dalton's acting did contribute to that.

    He has other great moments in LTK, like in his final bout with Sanchez, his acting was on point there.

    Only two points in LTK where I thought he overacted was when he wakes up on the bed - what the hell was that - and in the tanker when the tyres got shot and he swerved.

    Dalton did give an excellent performance as Bond in TLD of course, second-best in the franchise outdone only by Craig's performance in CR.

    I don't think the script helped. It's so one dimensional and unoriginal. Especially coming after the wonderful script for TLD.

    LTK almost turns Bond into an unprofessional buffoon.
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    It's because Dalton is a theatrical actor. Acting in the theatre and on screen are very different. On the theatre you want to make everything 'big'; whereas on screen because an audience can see you up close, it's all about subtlety. Dalton, certainly at that time, was an actor more suited to the stage in my opinion.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    It's because Dalton is a theatrical actor. Acting in the theatre and on screen are very different. On the theatre you want to make everything 'big'; whereas on screen because an audience can see you up close, it's all about subtlety. Dalton, certainly at that time, was an actor more suited to the stage in my opinion.

    But he was excellent in TLD. Very natural performance.

    I really do believe he made the mistake of 'trying too hard' in LTK. The grim nature of the film didn't help and neither did the abysmal script

  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    LTK almost turns Bond into an unprofessional buffoon.

    I think LTK features the most intelligent Bond in the franchise. The way he destroys Sanchez' operation from the inside, turning him against his own crew one by one, is miles ahead of the typical Bond shooting his way through the film or just finding out random information from while globetrotting.
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    In fairness, his offer of resignation was somewhat cringeworthy, in my opinion. It just came off as flat, or something.
  • tanaka123 wrote: »
    It's because Dalton is a theatrical actor. Acting in the theatre and on screen are very different. On the theatre you want to make everything 'big'; whereas on screen because an audience can see you up close, it's all about subtlety. Dalton, certainly at that time, was an actor more suited to the stage in my opinion.

    But he was excellent in TLD. Very natural performance.

    I really do believe he made the mistake of 'trying too hard' in LTK. The grim nature of the film didn't help and neither did the abysmal script

    My only real problem is that Dalton is angry at everyone in the entire film and that makes him quite unlikable. Oh but the script had definite issues.
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    It's because Dalton is a theatrical actor. Acting in the theatre and on screen are very different. On the theatre you want to make everything 'big'; whereas on screen because an audience can see you up close, it's all about subtlety. Dalton, certainly at that time, was an actor more suited to the stage in my opinion.

    But he was excellent in TLD. Very natural performance.

    I really do believe he made the mistake of 'trying too hard' in LTK. The grim nature of the film didn't help and neither did the abysmal script

    My only real problem is that Dalton is angry at everyone in the entire film and that makes him quite unlikable. Oh but the script had definite issues.

    But is Bond supposed to be likeable?
  • In LTK, I think they were going for "easy to sympathize with".
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    He doesn't get angry with Leiter or Sharkey
  • tanaka123 wrote: »
    He doesn't get angry with Leiter or Sharkey

    Well I mean almost everyone.
    vzok wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    It's because Dalton is a theatrical actor. Acting in the theatre and on screen are very different. On the theatre you want to make everything 'big'; whereas on screen because an audience can see you up close, it's all about subtlety. Dalton, certainly at that time, was an actor more suited to the stage in my opinion.

    But he was excellent in TLD. Very natural performance.

    I really do believe he made the mistake of 'trying too hard' in LTK. The grim nature of the film didn't help and neither did the abysmal script

    My only real problem is that Dalton is angry at everyone in the entire film and that makes him quite unlikable. Oh but the script had definite issues.

    But is Bond supposed to be likeable?

    I like him in every film except this one, DAF, QOS and TMWTGG. So I find that a problem.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Brosnan Craig was a wasted asset. The scripts he was given make him the weakest 007 in the series.

    Works with Craig as well.

    Laughable. CR alone makes this a laughable comment.

    CR (which is as fine as GE) doesn't make the total mess of SF, QOS go away. And many complain about the SP script as well if not more.

    GE is an adequate Bond film with a re-hash satellite storyline and middle of the road tone. Not to mention an awful score. It's average at best. In my opinion every DC outing is superior to GE (on DC's performance alone).
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    My favorite Dalton scene (as well as my favorite Brown as M moment) is at Hemingway House.

    Agreed. "We're not a Country Club 007."
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    Agreed it's a great scene.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited April 2016 Posts: 5,131
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Brosnan Craig was a wasted asset. The scripts he was given make him the weakest 007 in the series.

    Works with Craig as well.

    Laughable. CR alone makes this a laughable comment.

    Yes, but I can't help thinking the rest of his films haven't lived up to that very very impressive start.

    For me, CR is the 2nd best film in the series. So I wasn't expecting anything better. However, Craig continues to be the 2nd best Bond since Connery in the role.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    LTK almost turns Bond into an unprofessional buffoon.

    I think LTK features the most intelligent Bond in the franchise. The way he destroys Sanchez' operation from the inside, turning him against his own crew one by one, is miles ahead of the typical Bond shooting his way through the film or just finding out random information from while globetrotting.

    But the only reason he gets 'inside' Sanchez's operation is completely by accident in that he is found by Sanchez captured by Hong Kong narcotics. An amazing stroke of luck!

    And since he was Sanchez's captive 'guest' what else could he do?

    Sorry but the whole 'I'm going to resign and kill the nasty drug dealer who maimed my friend and act completely outside of the law in a foreign country' just turned the character into a belligerent child who can't get what he wants.

    In the early part of the film he just comes across as a self-righteous dickhead!

    Even getting the innocent Sharky involved just because he had a boat! Who then ends up being killed because of his involvement.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited April 2016 Posts: 5,131
    Adapting to the situation after capture is an even bigger show of intelligence! In Fleming Bond indirectly gets many characters killed. In LALD the book Bond kills 'The Robber' in a fit of rage after Felix is maimed. LTK is very Fleming, thus very Bond. Daltons arrogance is perfect. In Casino Royale Vesper Lynd remarks, "Bond reminds me rather of Hoagy Carmichael, but there is something cold and ruthless."
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    My favorite Dalton scene (as well as my favorite Brown as M moment) is at Hemingway House.

    Really? Even though the farewell to arms 'joke' is so overstated it deserved some canned laughter?!!!

    I think it's a horrible scene. Dalton's line "But they're not going to do anything, sir!" comes across like a petulant child who can't get what he wants.

    Dalton's best scene as Bond is surely in TLD where he interrogates Pushkin. He really was excellent in that film.

  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited April 2016 Posts: 5,131
    The Pushkin scene is also great (and very Fleming), but, Fleming's Bond does feel emotion. In YOLT the book he is borderline alcoholic after the death of Tracy. So I like the Hemingway House scenes.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    Adapting to the situation after capture is an even bigger show of intelligence! In Fleming Bond indirectly gets many characters killed. In LALD the book Bond kills 'The Robber' in a fit of rage after Felix is maimed. LTK is very Fleming, thus very Bond. Daltons arrogance is perfect. In Casino Royale Vesper Lynd remarks, "Bond reminds me rather of Hoagy Carmichael, but there is something cold and ruthless."

    LTK definitely didn't remind me of Fleming. TLD certainly did, especially in the early scenes.

    LTK is more like Miami Vice than Fleming.

    It's an ugly, uneven film. It's only saving grace was Carey Lowell who I thought made a brilliant foil for Bond.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    LTK is nothing like Miami Vice (I've got the box set)? The Shark scene in LTK was directly out of LALD the book. Yes LTK, needed a bit of polish, but it's as close to Fleming we've come so far (alongside OHMSS, CR, DN & FRWL). It's the best Bond film of the 80's by far.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    LTK is nothing like Miami Vice (I've got the box set)? The Shark scene in LTK was directly out of LALD the book. Yes LTK, needed a bit of polish, but it's as close to Fleming we've come so far (alongside OHMSS, CR, DN & FRWL). It's the best Bond film of the 80's by far.

    How the hell is it close to Fleming?!!!

    Apart from a couple of moments nicked from the LALD novel there is NOTHING Fleming about it.

    Bond disobeying a direct order to go and personally kill a drug dealer...?!!!

    Nothing Fleming about that mate.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited April 2016 Posts: 5,131
    Milton Krest character, Felix shark scene, Dalton's portrayal? Have you ever read a book??? Bond disobeys direct orders through the series and books....read TLD short story! I can go on.......Dalton is Fleming's Bond.

    Although both the main plot and title of Licence to Kill owe nothing to any of the Fleming novels, there are elements from the books that are used in the storyline, including a number of aspects of the short story "The Hildebrand Rarity", such as the character Milton Krest. The novel Live and Let Die provided the material surrounding Felix Leiter's mauling by a shark, whilst the film version of the book provided the close similarity between the main villain, Kananga, and Licence to Kill's main villain Sanchez.

    Anyhow, how is LTK like Miami Vice? I've seen every episode so eager to know?
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    Milton Krest character, Felix shark scene, Dalton's portrayal? Have you ever read a book??? Bond disobeys direct orders through the series and books....read TLD short story! I can go on.......Dalton is Fleming's Bond.

    Although both the main plot and title of Licence to Kill owe nothing to any of the Fleming novels, there are elements from the books that are used in the storyline, including a number of aspects of the short story "The Hildebrand Rarity", such as the character Milton Krest. The novel Live and Let Die provided the material surrounding Felix Leiter's mauling by a shark, whilst the film version of the book provided the close similarity between the main villain, Kananga, and Licence to Kill's main villain Sanchez.

    Anyhow, how is LTK like Miami Vice? I've seen every episode so eager to know?

    Read all the novels many times over.

    Milton Krest is in name only. He's nothing like the character from the story.

    Sanchez using a stingray tail is irrelevant.

    Bond disobeying an order on killing a sniper is slightly different than going off to kill a drug dealer simply for revenge in a foreign country after resigning from MI6!

    As I mentioned they have cut and pasted a couple of scenes from LALD but that doesn't equate to the film being Fleming-esque. In fact those moments sit awkwardly in the film

    Oh and as I mentioned Dalton was Fleming's Bond in TLD. Great performance.

    His acting in LTK is overdone and laughably 'stagey'
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