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I like the way you only mention the stupid stuff (which apparently is all Rog's is fault because I'm sure he went to Cubby and said 'I'll tell you what Cubby I reckon if we put a slide whistle over the car jump it would be awesome') from his films.
Connery never seems to get any of your ire for DAF and despite your perception that Rog made all these calls, Sean in DAF had far more sway over the script than Rog ever did. With the deal he negotiated he could have easily said 'lose the moon buggy, the elephant playing the slots, Blofeld in drag etc or I'm not doing it.' But he just banked the cheque.
Anyway fun though this is back on topic. As others have stated EON is first and foremost in the business of making money and Rog did that. I think the Tracy's grave scene was written with a new Bond in mind as Rog was at the end of his contract but given the dearth of candidates and the fact Rog was putting bums on seats it would have been folly to let him go.
Its like EON not offering DC millions to continue. If you have a Bond who is bringing home the bacon you try and keep him for as long as is physically possible, although I think we'd all agree that AVTAK (and parts of OP) probably went beyond this point.
"Who is your floor?" That's somewhat clownesque to me, what do you say @doublohdad?
Or what about the fact that Tiffany Case (two bit diamond smuggler) has heard of British secret agent James Bond? That bit always got a laugh out of me.
Glen, while not much of a director, tried to bring the classic bond back. He just had to wait until 1986 to do it. He tried like hell to toughen up bond, much to moores chagrin.
If I was the producer, after seeing how much glen had to do to convince Moore to kick that damned car off the cliff, I would be on the phone looking at replacements for bond. Moore wasn't comfortable doing the physical and rough parts of bond...that's the role, roger. You don't want to do it or you don't feel comfortable doing it, get the hell out of the way, there's another actor who can do the part justice that you just can't do.
Bond is not a giggler, as you put it. His name isn't jimmy bond, no matter how many times you call him that in commentaries or interviews.
Roger Moore was the casting choice when it came down to everyone else either turning it down or being vetoed. I would rather the series just stopped for a while and took a break in the 70s before coming back with new blood and a new game plan. But it didn't. We have almost 24 films now of extremely varying quality and we've got a choice to own all of them or just the ones we like or tolerate.
I agree with a lot of this. Basically, they chased Goldfinger all the way cross the 70's, yet GF had a serious tone at times, which escaped the 70's films as they went along.
You're talking financial success, not quality of the pictures. Different, man. People went to see these films knowing they were parodies, and they made a lot of money for the studio and the Broccoli family, but they lacked in quality big-time.
DO you really think Bronson was prouder of the quality stuff he did or those financially successful 70's films he did?
Danton's films failed because the public now thought of Bond as a parody and it took twenty years for the public to accept a serious, action-oriented Bond again in Craig.
The jokes and parody are all over the Moore films. If you wanna call that successful, that's up to you, but they are out-and-out comedies and should be treated as such.
I'm sure he'd be prouder of the good movies he made rather than the bad ones.
I've been equally hard on the stuff in the Connery films that stink. Look through the threads. DAF is just….honestly what were they thinking?
And EON was right from a financial standpoint to continue with Moore if the money was coming in, but just don't tell me these are serious spy films when they are out-and-out comedies.
And @doubleohdad, no matter how much you hate the Moore films, they are the most vital films in the franchise. Connery started the whole damn thing, but Moore is the only reason the films continue to this day.
Dude, really? He follows that up with a fight scene that Moore could never top, and there's still four or five fights that Connery did that just embarrass Moore's attempts at 'action.'
That's absolutely not true. The Connery films, as well as the Craig Bonds, now are considered the staple of the franchise. Thanks goodness the days of the double-take pidgeons are over.
I'll say it one last time. The only reason the franchise is still going and the only reason you got Daniel Craig as James Bond is because of Roger Moore and his films. Without Moore the franchise would have ended in the 1970's. And that is a fact. That makes the Moore films more important than Craig's because without Moore there is no Craig.
Um, give me one Moore movie that is excellent. Just one. Excellent is A, 90% or above, right?
Truth is truth, and I cannot argue with the above statement.
Yep, they kept the franchise going, and I appreciate that, they were just not very good films and should be considered comedies like the Pink Panther and Austin Powers pictures instead of spy films.
Look at that gondola sequence again and tell me that's not completely intended as comedy.
And where Bond holds a fish out of the Lotus and ruins an almost really cool scene?
One must admit that TSWLM is an iconic film with iconic moments and serious moments, whatever else one may think of it. Yes, it has goofy moments too, but so do a lot of other Bond films. Moore was outstanding in this film.
OP is hands down one of the most entertaining movies in the franchise. I get a blast out of watching it every time, despite its goofiness. In fact, this discussion makes me want to watch it tonight. GE is also one of the most entertaining movies in the franchise, despite its stupidity (Boooooris anyone?) in certain places.
That was Alfred Hitchcock's favorite bit.
How does that make TSWLM a better movie?
TSWLM is genius.
That sounds like Moore all right.
Fact: Secretaries and wives vote for oscars and golden globes. Everyone gives their votes away.
With respect, I'm responding to different posts.
Once you take that into account it appears to me that Moore is at the opposite end of the spectrum from a FRWL, or an OHMSS, but that doesn't make his pictures any less viable. He's still on the spectrum given the context in which he's working. He was making pictures that were appropriate at the time. They're not to your taste, but they were never intended to be true espionage films, Bond had become it's own beast. A heightened, glamorous, fantastical world. So suggesting they're bad for not being 'spy' films is a moot point imo. It's why people refer to Bond films as 'Bond films', they're a sub genre of their own. Whether they should have been true 'spy' films is again up for debate, but the fact is 'they weren't' and for a lot of people they do what they do excellently and deliver what they promise.
Which you can do in one post.