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I'm not there yet. And thanks for chiming in... it's just that I can't express myself fully here how disgusted I am with the hatred. I started the negativity thread in the hopes that it might be a release valve for the crap, and it maybe worked a tiny bit, but I respect Moore a whole LOT, and Brozz is a solid favourite (even in DAD), and I don't know why all the bs has to directed at them, as if THEY had a say in how the movies were produced or written or directed. At the very LEAST Dalton hasn't been much of a target...
I'm watching my Blu Ray of YOLT at the moment, and Connery is great in it, but I suspect in saying THAT, 'some usual suspects' will want to say what a s**t movie THAT is too, and how Connery was naff in it.
I don't want a homogenized cheerleading squad here, but a little respect for the hard work on the part of the actors at least would go a very long way IMHO.
Okay, rant over.
On topic- Moore rocked in OP!!!
You forgot 'flopping about on trains in OP' which is my personal favourite of yours despite the staggering lack of respect it shows for the immense work done by Martin Grace in that sequence.
OH! Aki just switched with the other girl! Damn I love these movies!
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Don't forget Creasy too. :)
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Who here believes doubleohdad remembers all the off the top of his head from a viewing by his own accounts more than 30 years ago?
@TheWizardOfIce
his "flopping about" comment makes as much sense as an argument against, as Connery's awful punch to knock out a guard in FRWL - i've seen more believable punches thrown in pro wrestling lol.
It has come to the point now when a real discussion cannot be had in multiple threads because of the constant vitriol. As we all know all too well on this forum, things can turn nasty real quick. But I too am sick of the crap that both Rog and Brozzer receive on a daily, hourly basis.
But don't go, certainly not because of doubleohdad. I'm sure his time will come.
@TheWizardOfIce My personal favourite of his is "Octopussy MUST be bad because at one point, you could watch on YouTube". Classic.
Rise above it all @chrisisall. If you need to, seek sanctuary in the Brosnan Appreciation Thread, or in the ultra-sophisticated, cocktail-sipping, virtual cigar-smoking, (ever-so-slightly tongue-in-cheek) Moore one. The mods here are very fair-minded and extremely generous but I think a line should be drawn in the sand when it comes to Appreciation Threads. We all need a respite, on occasion; somewhere free from the brickbats and the draining, repetitive negativity.
This thread has veered widely off topic but thank goodness they didn't replace Moore after FYEO. I love Octopussy and I can't quite imagine another Bond actor in that film. Sometimes it's simply okay to just be widely entertained by a Bond film. The gritty real world, personal issues, and everyday stresses and strains can wait - a rogue Russian general wants to detonate a nuclear bomb, Louis Jourdan is getting up to villainous things in impossibly romantic India, and 009 has been killed while clutching a Faberge egg - fortunately there is one man in a safari suit who can save us all. It's Rog time!
Sorry @chrisisall, with all the love I have for Sean, George, Rog, Tim and Dan, there's not much left over for Pierce as Bond. He's a lovely guy though, if that helps?
It would be a huge shame if you left but threatening to leave is a little bit school playground isn't it?
Now the crying's over, back on topic.
If they'd got rid of Rog in 80 we'd never have got Chris Walken manically shooting his own goons in AVTAK and seen Bond cooking a quiche for the lovely Stacy Sutton. Two truly classic and surreal moments in the series.
Here, go to this thread and spread some Sean love.
http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/3301/sean-connery-appreciation-and-news#latest
Makes a change from negative posts elsewhere.
Sure, replacing Roger after MR or FYEO would have brought excitement and fresh impetus - but what if Brolin or some other horribly unsuitable bloke had been chosen and it didn't work?
The crux of the matter is that there wasn't anyone better suited to the role available between '79 and '84. So you go with what works, even if it's rather tepid and uninspired.
I'm sure it's been mentioned already, but surely there were commercial considerations. As long as Sir Rog was reliably bringing in the punters at the box office, he was in a strong position with the producers. EON has long abided by the rule of 'if it aint broke, don't fix it'.
You bring up an excellent point there @AceHole.
Why not replace Moore in 1980. The big question would've been with who?
Roger Moore was an established and popular Bond / actor in the 70's and 80's. Spy and Moonraker had given the Bond series a fresh boost (in the pockets of EON), why wouldn't they want their star to continue. Audiences were happy to get a Bond film every two years. The old 'formula' style was still acceptable. Audiences didn't have access to script details or shooting locations. When a new film came out it was a surprise as to what happens. Now we know all of the secrets before hand.
i know Dalton turned them down for OHMSS, but i thought he turned them down again in the early 80s - or he couldn't do it at the time......... i could be wrong.
@ Getafix - I agree that Dalton circa 1980 would have been perfect( well, duh...) - but that's the point, I'm pretty sure he wasn't available or even refused.
The fact that EON were speaking to Dalton in the early 80s shows that Rog staying in post was far from a foregone conclusion.
I am huge fan of Rog and don't regret him having stayed on as long as he did at all. OP is one of my favourites. I guess I wouldn't have been too upset if we hadn't got AVTAK but one too many is better than one too few IMO. How much do I regret we didn't get a third Dalton...?!
I'm pretty sure you're being sarcastic, but truth be told, I'd be ok with never having got this.
I have nothing good to say about this entry apart from Duran Duran's title song, which is memorable enough. I know Dalton may have not accepted the role afer OP, but this entry really does stain Moore's great legacy for me, and I'm a big supporter of his generally. So, as I've said earlier in this thread, I would have prefered a post-OP exit for Moore.
Please don't remind me. It is the greatest travesty in the history of cinema... ~X(
I'm being a bit sarcastic. AVTAK is a bit lame, but I do like the bit where Walken shoots his own men. And for the record, while I'm not exactly a 'fan' of May Day, I think Grace Jones actually injects some life into an otherwise largely moribund movie.
And the quiche scene is quite funny too. Just bizarre.
Agreed. As much as I loved Roger Moore I'd have happily sacrificed AVTAK in favor of a third Dalton film.
But I would't have traded Octopussy or FYEO for anything.
Tim in FYEO would have been interesting, but OP is pure Rog - love it!
True. But then we never would've gotten Octopussy. And FYEO works best as a follow-up to MR as it's so back-to-basics so switching the films around wouldn't have worked.
I know this is off topic but out of curiosity what was your opinion on the proposed Bond 17 outline which would've starred Dalton and would've been released around 1991/1992? Seeing as how you're a huge Dalton fan I assume you know what I'm talking about.
I'm only aware of the most sketchy outlines of the plot. I asusme this is the one with Sir Henry Lee Cha Ching and the laser robots? The outline plot sounded pretty awful to be honest, although I liked the idea of using China. Wasn't there a chase along the Great Wall proposed? Could possibly have been good.
I am not a fan of GE but I think the plot is probably slightly better and would have suited Dalton more.
Very well said Sir. The fate of the western world is in jeopardy. Who can save us whilst cracking a one liner and without getting a hair out of place? Shall I call James Brolin? Dont think so this is a job for Sir Rog!