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Oh, but I didn't say they had a monopoly on taste, just that they knew what they were doing and that they had decided on that look. They were given the "power", so to speak, by EoN, to create the look they thought would work best for the current Bond,and this is the look they decided upon, no doubt with a specific purpose in mind. And I dare say the purpose was probably not to give him the particular style that Bill Nighy is wearing, otherwise they would have. Maybe they wanted to set a new trend? Who are we to say they have no right to do that?
As for the "taste of a true Brit" - I dunno. I may be mistaken but I would think that Brits are as different from each other as people everywhere in the world. Elton John is a true Brit, just as Prince Charles is, or Russell Brand, or Colin Firth, and they all have very different styles. Not sure that there is one true style for one true Brit.
I'm curious, is giving an opinion trying to facilitate change?
Problem is, very often that is exactly the deal. Can't say, I am totally free of it. Shouldn't be the case though. What else can be annoying is, that both sides go on and on, force and back and there is no end. Agree to disagree seems like a nice way to end it.
Again, I think people are confusing two concepts. Doing things exactly to some esoteric "rules" is not being advocated but by maybe one or two people. And honestly that should not be the goal for anyone no matter how much you read it on inane clothing fora where people think there was some point in history where everyone did everything exactly the same and that those "rules" are to be perpetuated ad infinitum. This is just a fallacy and was never the case, for Bond or for normal people. Small touches are what Fleming wrote in to Bonds character, and that's the general direction most would probably like to see. But it's an opinion, and to each their own.
However questioning the aesthetic value of what he is doing and whether the clothes materially fit are separate. They fit better this time than last, but are still tight. That isn't opinion or a matter of style, but just objective fact. They can be cut very shaped and tight and still fit.
The original post was in jest. I took it as meaning that some here thought that their opinions would inspire a change of direction, in this case fashion, by the filmmakers.
There's a lot of discussion about how many menswear guru's are "Do as I say, not as I do" types, so that may not work out.
Alan Flusser a good example, looks like a trainwreck half the time!
That's all well and good and I agree but I just find it amusing the lengths some people go through in chastising the production team with craig's outfits. This isn't the banana ski suit. Furthermore, I thought Craig's suits in CR, especially the suits he wears in Montenegro were horrible. Oversized and din't compliment his body; the suit was wearing him but its not something I spend a great deal of time moaning about. At the end of the day, from Dr.No up till now, Bond has never done things by the customary book. The movies aren't the novels no matter how far removed or close they adhere to Fleming's work. As long as Bond looks good, which imo Craig is looking great, then just sit back and enjoy; that's all really.
It also comes down to our opinion of how Bond should dress, in the context of the books and 50+ years of movies.
I'm willing to give EON the benefit of the doubt, but I have not been that impressed of late in the suit cuts (particularly in SF). I personally believe they could have done a better job there. Additionally, I did not like the tab collar in SF, and would have preferred a spread collar for Craig's Bond.
I haven't seen enough of SP's wardrobe to really comment, but I'm not that happy with the suit I've just seen on here (my criticisms echo those of others). I am personally of the view that Bond should dress in a conservative British style......and I'd prefer his look be timeless rather than contemporary. I don't see that here so far. That's just me however.
I saw more of the timeless look that I advocate in Kingsman, and I liked it.
Keep in mind, I'm not looking for John Steed. More Connery or Lazenby. Or Moore pre-TSWLM and not post (where he suffered from the 70's look due to the timing of his movies) or Brosnan (trying too hard with the very delicate fabrics & European cuts.....as well as too many 3 button suits).
That's very true, and that's why it's a delicate balance. I think they got the look right in SF, but not the suit cuts, which were a bit too tight (but nevertheless, quite contemporary no doubt).
Personally, I find it unfortunate that in the Kingsman they refer to Oxfords not Brogues, and here we have Bond wearing neither, but some fashionable (Italian no doubt) boot with a suit.
That is a very good point. Or just being respectful of contemporary Italian style.
You sure? I can't say I'm a fan. Those suits/jackets somehow seem too big - as if he's hiding a little beer belly or something. They may be "classic", but are they really timeless? Would people still wear these kinds of cuts and colors today?
In any case, they are certainly not as flattereing as some of the things Craig has been wearing.
So you can accuse me of having no taste or understanding of what connstitutes proper gentlemen's attire, but I take the more form-fitting suits any day. They seem to stress Craig's physicality much better.
(Also, they show off the perfectly formed arse - I noticed.)
Bond makes fashion, he doesn't suffer it.
Otherwise you could see something like this:
or this
How right you are.
Sorry fellow agents but 007 is supposed to be a red blooded hetro sexual.
If eon want to do a different type of franchise extension they should reserve this type of attire for that.
Thankfully DC is a great actor and will hopefully win through and maybe one of our pundits is correct and we have nothing to worry about - he is dressing to be undercover at a gay funeral!
Seriously? You are making this about sexuality? I guess homophobes always find a way to work their hatred into a conversation.
Bond's preferences were intentionally left open ended in SF ;)
Sorry fellow agents but 007 is supposed to be a red blooded hetro sexual.
If eon want to do a different type of franchise extension they should reserve this type of attire for that.
Thankfully DC is a great actor and will hopefully win through and maybe one of our pundits is correct and we have nothing to worry about - he is dressing to be undercover at a gay funeral!
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Well, I am a "red blooded hetro sexual" and have to ask, what the hell are you talking about?
Though, my favourite Craig look so far is the Austria look.
IMO the outfit itself, whilst looking great, is very 'overdone'. Something about it is just too much. I also prefer my Bond understated. Sometimes Craig's Bond looks a bit too metro and fashion magazine-y.
Agreed. I've been saying for some time that this will be Craig's Thunderball. It's inevitable, as his arc seems to be following Connery's, with SF being his GF.
All actors who have made it to #4 have had an over the top entry, and he is unlikely to be an exception.
The words big, bold and over the top should never be ascribed to Bond's sense of dress. The world around him may flit between reality and fantasy to varying degrees, but Bond remains the same at the core.
Well, yes that is one opinion.
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