James Bond on Blu-ray/4K

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Hell, I didn't even like my favorite Craig Bonds on 4K. Watching CR and QoS on blu-ray is an infinitely better looking experience than the darker 4K variants.

    It’s a pity those two are essentially stuck in 2K, but that’s the same for a ton of films mastered on DI in the 2000s.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Hell, I didn't even like my favorite Craig Bonds on 4K. Watching CR and QoS on blu-ray is an infinitely better looking experience than the darker 4K variants.

    It’s a pity those two are essentially stuck in 2K, but that’s the same for a ton of films mastered on DI in the 2000s.

    Yeah it's not often I spot a 4K upgrade I personally feel is weaker or too different for my tastes but it happens.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Hell, I didn't even like my favorite Craig Bonds on 4K. Watching CR and QoS on blu-ray is an infinitely better looking experience than the darker 4K variants.

    It’s a pity those two are essentially stuck in 2K, but that’s the same for a ton of films mastered on DI in the 2000s.

    Yeah it's not often I spot a 4K upgrade I personally feel is weaker or too different for my tastes but it happens.

    Do the 4K have HDR ?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Hell, I didn't even like my favorite Craig Bonds on 4K. Watching CR and QoS on blu-ray is an infinitely better looking experience than the darker 4K variants.

    It’s a pity those two are essentially stuck in 2K, but that’s the same for a ton of films mastered on DI in the 2000s.

    Yeah it's not often I spot a 4K upgrade I personally feel is weaker or too different for my tastes but it happens.

    Do the 4K have HDR ?

    They do.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,529
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Hell, I didn't even like my favorite Craig Bonds on 4K. Watching CR and QoS on blu-ray is an infinitely better looking experience than the darker 4K variants.

    It’s a pity those two are essentially stuck in 2K, but that’s the same for a ton of films mastered on DI in the 2000s.

    Yeah it's not often I spot a 4K upgrade I personally feel is weaker or too different for my tastes but it happens.

    Do the 4K have HDR ?

    They do.

    I've almost always found HDR content to be worse than the original ?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,976
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Hell, I didn't even like my favorite Craig Bonds on 4K. Watching CR and QoS on blu-ray is an infinitely better looking experience than the darker 4K variants.

    It’s a pity those two are essentially stuck in 2K, but that’s the same for a ton of films mastered on DI in the 2000s.

    Yeah it's not often I spot a 4K upgrade I personally feel is weaker or too different for my tastes but it happens.

    Do the 4K have HDR ?

    They do.

    I've almost always found HDR content to be worse than the original ?

    I'm an idiot when it comes to the technical aspects of such transitions and "upgrades" but all I know is CR and QoS simply looked darker, to the point that the parkour chase in CR actually looks overcast. I couldn't accept it.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Hell, I didn't even like my favorite Craig Bonds on 4K. Watching CR and QoS on blu-ray is an infinitely better looking experience than the darker 4K variants.

    It’s a pity those two are essentially stuck in 2K, but that’s the same for a ton of films mastered on DI in the 2000s.

    Yeah it's not often I spot a 4K upgrade I personally feel is weaker or too different for my tastes but it happens.

    Do the 4K have HDR ?

    They do.

    I've almost always found HDR content to be worse than the original ?

    I'm an idiot when it comes to the technical aspects of such transitions and "upgrades" but all I know is CR and QoS simply looked darker, to the point that the parkour chase in CR actually looks overcast. I couldn't accept it.

    I think to get the best ? out of HDR you need a newer TV/monitor ?

    There are a few videos of HDR usage on youtube which i have watched a bit of but not really "researched" it too much.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited August 20 Posts: 40,976
    I have a compatible 4K TV, it's just not in the $5,000 range or anything like that. Regardless, I know my blu-ray copies of the two look infinitely more alluring on all the same equipment than their 4K counterparts, so maybe it is part of the general "upgrade" that my TV can't really connect with and display.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I have a compatible 4K TV, it's just not in the $5,000 range or anything like that. Regardless, I know my blu-ray copies of the two look infinitely more alluring on all the same equipment than their 4K counterparts, so maybe it is part of the general "upgrade" that my TV can't really connect with and display.

    I've got a $1400 4K tv too and the picture settings are tricky enough as they are with (backlight,adaptive contrast,sharpness,ultra smooth motion,noise reduction,mpeg noise reduction,color temperature) settings to deal with.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I have a compatible 4K TV, it's just not in the $5,000 range or anything like that. Regardless, I know my blu-ray copies of the two look infinitely more alluring on all the same equipment than their 4K counterparts, so maybe it is part of the general "upgrade" that my TV can't really connect with and display.

    I've got a $1400 4K tv too and the picture settings are tricky enough as they are with (backlight,adaptive contrast,sharpness,ultra smooth motion,noise reduction,mpeg noise reduction,color temperature) settings to deal with.

    Indeed, especially if you're going back and forth between watching movies and gaming and you aren't saving your customization options like I fail to do.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Hell, I didn't even like my favorite Craig Bonds on 4K. Watching CR and QoS on blu-ray is an infinitely better looking experience than the darker 4K variants.

    It’s a pity those two are essentially stuck in 2K, but that’s the same for a ton of films mastered on DI in the 2000s.

    Yeah it's not often I spot a 4K upgrade I personally feel is weaker or too different for my tastes but it happens.

    Do the 4K have HDR ?

    They do.

    I've almost always found HDR content to be worse than the original ?

    I love HDR, I don't think I've ever found it to be a downgrade.
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    I won’t notice many differences in 4K vs. Blu-Ray in anything until I’m given a side by side, and even then sometimes it’s hard for me. My eyes just aren’t good I guess xP but still, just having hi-def over 480 does make a lot of difference. I certainly don’t need better than 4K though!
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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    Agreed. I'm investing heavily in 4K as I don't think 8k will catch on. The human eye can only detect so much detail. Also, chances of physical media 8k remasters are slim to none.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
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    mtm wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Hell, I didn't even like my favorite Craig Bonds on 4K. Watching CR and QoS on blu-ray is an infinitely better looking experience than the darker 4K variants.

    It’s a pity those two are essentially stuck in 2K, but that’s the same for a ton of films mastered on DI in the 2000s.

    Yeah it's not often I spot a 4K upgrade I personally feel is weaker or too different for my tastes but it happens.

    Do the 4K have HDR ?

    They do.

    I've almost always found HDR content to be worse than the original ?

    I love HDR, I don't think I've ever found it to be a downgrade.

    What content are you using that has HDR ?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    A lot of the unfavorable reviews of the 4ks of CR and QOS came from professional reviewers that watch these 4K discs on systems that make me feel envious. So it’s not just those watching on budget friendly tech that are feeling a bit underwhelmed. One would hope that they might get a do-over down the line in time for reissues and a complete set, but that’s not guaranteed.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    edited August 21 Posts: 2,529
    Casino Royale HDR vs SDR Comparison
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 21 Posts: 16,413
    mtm wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Hell, I didn't even like my favorite Craig Bonds on 4K. Watching CR and QoS on blu-ray is an infinitely better looking experience than the darker 4K variants.

    It’s a pity those two are essentially stuck in 2K, but that’s the same for a ton of films mastered on DI in the 2000s.

    Yeah it's not often I spot a 4K upgrade I personally feel is weaker or too different for my tastes but it happens.

    Do the 4K have HDR ?

    They do.

    I've almost always found HDR content to be worse than the original ?

    I love HDR, I don't think I've ever found it to be a downgrade.

    What content are you using that has HDR ?

    Gosh, there's quite a lot out there. Even some TV is.
    Casino Royale HDR vs SDR Comparison

    I'm watching that on my Apple Studio Display which is HDR capable, and I can even see it flicking into HDR, but I'm not convinced that video has actually captured the HDR of the image as there's little in the while of brighter or darker points there.
  • weboffearweboffear Scotland
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    , this guy tends to be right
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
    edited November 2 Posts: 1,033
    Been gradually upgrading my home "theater" for years waiting for this... I hope he's right!
  • Posts: 12,473
    weboffear wrote: »
    , this guy tends to be right

    Won’t let me watch it. What does he say?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    @FoxRox he says that Sean Connery's Bond movies should be released sometime in 2025. Also, the studio (WB) is debating whether to release them one at a time, or one big box set. I have yet to upgrade to a 4K Blu-ray player yet. No matter how many times home media is upgraded (I’m pretty sure it will always have some sort of presence), James Bond will always be upgraded for me. I look forward to Austin Powers getting re-released, hopefully the sequels will come with it.
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    @MaxCasino

    Thank you! I hope he’s right. I’d personally prefer it to be individual releases, but if a box set is the only option I’d still get it of course. It would be kind of epic and cool if we got a countdown towards Bond 26 with all the previous 25 films coming to 4K one at a time (I know the Craig films have already made it, but you’d think those and all the other ones will probably get a ‘new line’ style release after Connery ones). You should definitely upgrade when possible, it’s been well worth it for me! Though I have a really hard time seeing myself upgrading beyond 4K, if for no other reason than financial feasibility.
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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    I have a strong feeling 4K will be physical media's last stop (with a few exceptions of course). Mainstream TV's may go to 8k eventually, but even then the human eye can barely perceive the different between 4k and 8k unless it's a very large screen and you're quite close. This is all my gut feeling of course, but I'm investing heavily in 4k.
  • Posts: 12,473
    I have a strong feeling 4K will be physical media's last stop (with a few exceptions of course). Mainstream TV's may go to 8k eventually, but even then the human eye can barely perceive the different between 4k and 8k unless it's a very large screen and you're quite close. This is all my gut feeling of course, but I'm investing heavily in 4k.

    Yep, diminishing returns as they call it. Blu-Ray to 4K even is far less significant for me than DVD to Blu-Ray is, but it’s still a nice upgrade to have, and I much prefer the standard black cases over blue ones for aesthetics points. I told myself for too long that DVD was good enough, but I am extremely confident that 4K is certainly good enough, especially for someone with eyes like mine that aren’t even that great. Even if 8K Blu-Rays do happen, I’m satisfied with what I’ve got now. I could see maybe 8K Blu-Ray for blockbusters specifically, but cool obscure films brought to us from boutique labels? Very unlikely and pointless to go past 4K.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    I switched from DVD to Blu-ray in 2010, including replacing several hundreds of my DVDs by Blu-ray. I am still thrilled by the picture quality of Full HD on my projector/14ft screen combination although I sit as close to the screen as to avoid seeing individual dots. And I'm definitely not even thinking about "upgrading" any further to 4K (at twice the price or more), especially since - much to my dismay - physical media are indeed on the way out and I am not going to start yet another format to fill my shelves any further. I also have another several hundreds of BDs (and even DVDs) that I have yet to watch, leaving me rather self-sufficient for the future.
  • edited November 2 Posts: 12,473
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    I switched from DVD to Blu-ray in 2010, including replacing several hundreds of my DVDs by Blu-ray. I am still thrilled by the picture quality of Full HD on my projector/14ft screen combination although I sit as close to the screen as to avoid seeing individual dots. And I'm definitely not even thinking about "upgrading" any further to 4K (at twice the price or more), especially since - much to my dismay - physical media are indeed on the way out and I am not going to start yet another format to fill my shelves any further. I also have another several hundreds of BDs (and even DVDs) that I have yet to watch, leaving me rather self-sufficient for the future.

    BD is a perfectly fine stopping point and I don’t blame you at all. I don’t want to go back to pre-HD, but admittedly anything above 1080 IMO is really just extra gravy rather than being as meaningful as going from standard to HD. I didn’t collect Blu-Rays beyond combo packs with DVDs generally, so I just basically went straight from a big DVD collection to 4Ks. Many of my favorite films have yet to make it to 4K, but I’m confident most if not all eventually will given how awesome boutique labels have been for it. Worst comes to worst, there’s a Blu-Ray for almost every “major” movie out there, so physical HD is more or less covered on some level. Odd exceptions do exist, but what are you gonna do!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I like 4k but I like the HDR which comes with them even more, I find it really helps a film pop. So I might go for these.
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    They need to remaster all the old films in 4K. Only The Spy Who Loved Me looked good on the Blu-ray discs, all the rest looked like crap. And even the Spy scan is over 15 years old.

    They need to go back to the negatives, scan them in 8K to produce definitive new digital negatives in 4K, and also restore all the original mono/stereo mixes plus do actual new Atmos mixes from the stems for ALL OF THEM.

    Unless a miracle, I don't see this happening. It would take years. They will release the Blu-ray masters in 4K, that by then will be three decades old (as they are running on streaming platforms).
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Part of my adherence to no more than Full-HD is really the price. For well over ten years, I managed to keep the amount I'd spend on a BD (and before that, a DVD) to under ten euros, and at any rate well below the price of two cinema tickets. So I was (and with those I bought but haven't watched still am) pretty sure that even if I watch a movie only once, it was still worth it. And the experience even on my relatively giant home screen may not really be comparable to a major movie theater, but then I don't have to listen to other people talking or typing on the smartphone, or digging their hands into potato chip (crisp, for the Brits) bags and generally disturbing the experience when I actually prefer the movie in question.

    But that equation doesn't work with 4K discs any more, not even counting the cost of buying a new player (if you still find one), and especially a new projector that promises some quality (my Epson Full-HD is now over 14 years old and except for one change of the bulb, works marvellously). Plus knowing myself, I'd probably exchange all my BDs for 4K (where available) and spend a bunch of money again for movies I may never watch again, as has happened in my change from DVD to BD.
  • Posts: 387
    What will happen is you won't buy in UHD any films you won't watch again. I'm at this point. 007 remastered though I'll bite. Hard!
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