James Bond on Blu-ray/4K

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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Shardlake, I either worded it incorrectly or maybe my point didn't come across well (I was rambling), but I said that SF was actually the one that I saw a noticeable upgrade in - QoS essentially looked the same (though it had DNR) and CR was the one that looked somehow worse than the blu-ray.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I've finished taking screencaps of TLD with the 1992 MGM LD, the 2000 SE DVD, 2012 blu-ray, and iTunes 4K.

    I have the 1988 CBS/FOX VHS, and a few pages ago I posted screencaps of the Afghan sunrise showing that the Lowry coloring turned out to be closer to the VHS and LaserDisc in that dark amber filter, whereas the SE DVD had a more golden hue.

    I wasn't planning on making anymore caps of the VHS beyond that sunrise, but I decided to give it another look just to see how it looked compared to the other screencaps I took. And MOST interesting, is the shot of Bond aiming for Kara with his night vision sniper scope... except it's not in night vision at all! The shot of Kara is lacking the highly exposed green filter of all the later releases, only showing a red dot in the middle. I currently don't have a DVD Recorder to capture the footage for screenshot (I always avoid taking pics of monitors).

    I was just wondering if any other Bondphiles like @ToTheRight noticed this?
  • Posts: 16,153
    I've finished taking screencaps of TLD with the 1992 MGM LD, the 2000 SE DVD, 2012 blu-ray, and iTunes 4K.

    I have the 1988 CBS/FOX VHS, and a few pages ago I posted screencaps of the Afghan sunrise showing that the Lowry coloring turned out to be closer to the VHS and LaserDisc in that dark amber filter, whereas the SE DVD had a more golden hue.

    I wasn't planning on making anymore caps of the VHS beyond that sunrise, but I decided to give it another look just to see how it looked compared to the other screencaps I took. And MOST interesting, is the shot of Bond aiming for Kara with his night vision sniper scope... except it's not in night vision at all! The shot of Kara is lacking the highly exposed green filter of all the later releases, only showing a red dot in the middle. I currently don't have a DVD Recorder to capture the footage for screenshot (I always avoid taking pics of monitors).

    I was just wondering if any other Bondphiles like @ToTheRight noticed this?

    Quite interesting. Been a few years since I owned a copy of the 1988 VHS edition. I could be mistaken, but I think I first noticed that green filter on the 1992 MGM/UA Home video "remastered" VHS. Those tapes tampered with the colors quite a bit, especially the DR NO titles. The red circles became green and so forth, particularly the "starring Sean Connery" title card.

    From what I remember the color timing on the CBS/FOX edition of TLD was pretty close to the theatrical prints.

    I believe there's a forum member on here, who posted his reviews of the various laser discs for the Bonds awhile back. I'm pretty sure he mentioned the CBS/FOX laser being pretty close to the film version, in spite of the pan and scan.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @Shardlake, I either worded it incorrectly or maybe my point didn't come across well (I was rambling), but I said that SF was actually the one that I saw a noticeable upgrade in - QoS essentially looked the same (though it had DNR) and CR was the one that looked somehow worse than the blu-ray.

    You are better placed to comment than me as I won't see any of them till after Christmas Day.

    I was just mentioning what I 'd seen mostly on Blu-ray.com.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited October 2019 Posts: 8,181
    Here's TLD.


    Having watched the VHS, I'll say it largely looks like the LD transfer, aside from the sniper scope (when I get around to it I'll try to get screengrabs of that moment). The SE DVD is an oddity in that it looks close to the LD and 4K transfers at different parts, and then there's the Afghan sunrise which looks nothing like before or after. Same with the shot of the Aston Martin looking warmer than before and after. The coloring on that must have originated from somewhere, because it also appears that way on the 25th Anniversary Bond special (and from memory, it appears like that in the 1999 VHS 007 Collection). Most of the Tangier and Afghanistan daylight scenes have a warmer temperature color on the Lowry UE DVD and Blu-ray, MGM's 4K pretty much followed suit. On the 1988 VHS and 1992 LD it had a much cooler temperature color. And as has been the case on all previous comparisons the skin tones no longer have that magenta that persisted on blu-ray, looking more natural on 4K.

    One thing I never noticed about the title sequence on the SE DVD was that it was slightly squeezed, with black black bars on the sides (you can see the barrel of the gun looking more oval). That was undone with Lowry's remaster (though they themselves were guilty of squeezing the titles for TSWLM and MR).




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  • Posts: 5,767
    I´m impressed by the sharpness of the LD image of TLD. How come it´s so much clearer than on all the other films?

    And I´m impressed as always by Dalton´s intensity! What a crime htat they didn´t make more movies with him!


    This is such a fascinating thread!
    @MakeshiftPython, I truly hope you have copies of this thread hidden in a save place in case of nuclear war or an EMP attack on the internet. Your contribution for mankind is invaluable.
  • edited October 2019 Posts: 16,153
    Those are great screencaps!

    I think the cinematic prints were somewhere between the LD and the new 4K version for the most part.
    The title card shot did lean more towards the blue/purple hue rather than the later greenish version. I'm curious what that looked like on the 1988 VHS.
    I distinctly remember Dalton's turban head wrap thingy being more dark blue than the greenish black of the Blu-ray.
    Of these shots my least favorite is by far the Blu-ray. Certain shots look too dark and muted to me, the first shot of Dalton, and that shot of Robert Brown.

    One thing I'm curious about that Lowry had changed: in the original prints as Bond and Kara taken to the jail, there was a boom mike waved in front of Dalton, clear as day, in full view. Lowry zoomed in on that shot to crop out the mike. I wonder if the 4K version restores the boom mike or is also cropped? Every VHS copy prior to Lowry as well as the SE DVD included the boom mike.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    boldfinger wrote: »
    I´m impressed by the sharpness of the LD image of TLD. How come it´s so much clearer than on all the other films?

    It came out much later than the other LD titles so by then there were improvements in home video quality. TLD’s came out in ‘92 whereas the bull of the earlier films came out in ‘89 and ‘90. For example all the previous films had no chapters to skip.
    This is such a fascinating thread!
    @MakeshiftPython, I truly hope you have copies of this thread hidden in a save place in case of nuclear war or an EMP attack on the internet. Your contribution for mankind is invaluable.

    Thanks!
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Those are great screencaps!

    I think the cinematic prints were somewhere between the LD and the new 4K version for the most part.
    The title card shot did lean more towards the blue/purple hue rather than the later greenish version. I'm curious what that looked like on the 1988 VHS.

    It’s definitely more blue on the VHS copy.
    I distinctly remember Dalton's turban head wrap thingy being more dark blue than the greenish black of the Blu-ray.
    Of these shots my lest favorite is by far the Blu-ray. Certain shots look too dark and muted to me, the first shot of Dalton, and that shot of Robert Brown.

    Yeah combined with the magenta skin tones it looks pretty bad.
    One thing I'm curious about that Lowry had changed: in the original prints as Bond and Kara taken to the jail, there was a boom mike waved in front of Dalton, clear as day, in full view. Lowry zoomed in on that shot to crop out the mike. I wonder if the 4K version restores the boom mike or is also cropped? Every VHS copy prior to Lowry as well as the SE DVD included the boom mike.

    I’ll look into that eventually!
  • ToTheRight wrote: »
    Those are great screencaps!

    I think the cinematic prints were somewhere between the LD and the new 4K version for the most part.
    The title card shot did lean more towards the blue/purple hue rather than the later greenish version. I'm curious what that looked like on the 1988 VHS.
    I distinctly remember Dalton's turban head wrap thingy being more dark blue than the greenish black of the Blu-ray.
    Of these shots my least favorite is by far the Blu-ray. Certain shots look too dark and muted to me, the first shot of Dalton, and that shot of Robert Brown.

    One thing I'm curious about that Lowry had changed: in the original prints as Bond and Kara taken to the jail, there was a boom mike waved in front of Dalton, clear as day, in full view. Lowry zoomed in on that shot to crop out the mike. I wonder if the 4K version restores the boom mike or is also cropped? Every VHS copy prior to Lowry as well as the SE DVD included the boom mike.

    Man, I've got TLD on VHS, DVD and Blu-ray and never noticed the boom mike. I'll have to check that out. Then again, I thought Dolly had braces ...
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Those are great screencaps!

    I think the cinematic prints were somewhere between the LD and the new 4K version for the most part.
    The title card shot did lean more towards the blue/purple hue rather than the later greenish version. I'm curious what that looked like on the 1988 VHS.
    I distinctly remember Dalton's turban head wrap thingy being more dark blue than the greenish black of the Blu-ray.
    Of these shots my least favorite is by far the Blu-ray. Certain shots look too dark and muted to me, the first shot of Dalton, and that shot of Robert Brown.

    One thing I'm curious about that Lowry had changed: in the original prints as Bond and Kara taken to the jail, there was a boom mike waved in front of Dalton, clear as day, in full view. Lowry zoomed in on that shot to crop out the mike. I wonder if the 4K version restores the boom mike or is also cropped? Every VHS copy prior to Lowry as well as the SE DVD included the boom mike.

    Man, I've got TLD on VHS, DVD and Blu-ray and never noticed the boom mike. I'll have to check that out. Then again, I thought Dolly had braces ...

    Ha! So did I! You’d think the filmmakers would have thought to give Jaws’ girlfriend braces, but no, only in our imaginations.
  • Posts: 16,153
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Those are great screencaps!

    I think the cinematic prints were somewhere between the LD and the new 4K version for the most part.
    The title card shot did lean more towards the blue/purple hue rather than the later greenish version. I'm curious what that looked like on the 1988 VHS.
    I distinctly remember Dalton's turban head wrap thingy being more dark blue than the greenish black of the Blu-ray.
    Of these shots my least favorite is by far the Blu-ray. Certain shots look too dark and muted to me, the first shot of Dalton, and that shot of Robert Brown.

    One thing I'm curious about that Lowry had changed: in the original prints as Bond and Kara taken to the jail, there was a boom mike waved in front of Dalton, clear as day, in full view. Lowry zoomed in on that shot to crop out the mike. I wonder if the 4K version restores the boom mike or is also cropped? Every VHS copy prior to Lowry as well as the SE DVD included the boom mike.

    Man, I've got TLD on VHS, DVD and Blu-ray and never noticed the boom mike. I'll have to check that out. Then again, I thought Dolly had braces ...

    It's when Bond and Kara exit the aircraft in cuffs and Koskov introduces them to his hero, Col Feyador. Right before they're whisked away the microphone is in the lower part of the frame.
  • Posts: 1,407
    For those that have bought the 4k collection in the US, can you tell me if the digital code is also 4k or if they are just 1080p. I assume they're 4k but I was recently burned by that for a couple of films I bought.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    @ToTheRight well well well, the mic is back!

    As well as the guard that was holding Bond.





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  • edited November 2019 Posts: 16,153
    Glad to see that. I prefer the original versions in spite of their visual errors.
    I like seeing the wires on Goldfinger's plane for instance. Lowry omitted those as well.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Were the wires always there in GF? I assumed they were airbrushed out on prints, like how Superman's wires in the Reeve films were, which the first DVD masters forgot to do.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited October 2019 Posts: 40,963
    bondbat007 wrote: »
    For those that have bought the 4k collection in the US, can you tell me if the digital code is also 4k or if they are just 1080p. I assume they're 4k but I was recently burned by that for a couple of films I bought.

    Surprisingly, they're only in 1080p/HDX currently. The word around some forums has been that they "might" be upgraded to 4K eventually and it'd be wise to not redeem them just yet, just in case, but the code slip does state that it's possible they won't ever redeem in 4K. First time I've ever purchased a film set that essentially came with two separate HDX codes. Very annoying.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    bondbat007 wrote: »
    For those that have bought the 4k collection in the US, can you tell me if the digital code is also 4k or if they are just 1080p. I assume they're 4k but I was recently burned by that for a couple of films I bought.

    Surprisingly, they're only in 1080p/HDX currently. The word around some forums has been that they "might" be upgraded to 4K eventually and it'd be wise to not redeem them just yet, just in case, but the code slip does state that it's possible they won't ever redeem in 4K. First time I've ever purchased a film set that essentially came with two separate HDX codes. Very annoying.

    I have a ton of titles on iTunes that were originally redeemed only for HD, but once a 4K copy was available for purchase all my digital copies were automatically upgraded to 4K. I would hope Vudu would do something as courteous as that.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    bondbat007 wrote: »
    For those that have bought the 4k collection in the US, can you tell me if the digital code is also 4k or if they are just 1080p. I assume they're 4k but I was recently burned by that for a couple of films I bought.

    Surprisingly, they're only in 1080p/HDX currently. The word around some forums has been that they "might" be upgraded to 4K eventually and it'd be wise to not redeem them just yet, just in case, but the code slip does state that it's possible they won't ever redeem in 4K. First time I've ever purchased a film set that essentially came with two separate HDX codes. Very annoying.

    I have a ton of titles on iTunes that were originally redeemed only for HD, but once a 4K copy was available for purchase all my digital copies were automatically upgraded to 4K. I would hope Vudu would do something as courteous as that.

    I'm sure they will, but I suppose it doesn't hurt to not redeem them either, just in case. Not sure that's ever happened before, though, but you never know.
  • Posts: 16,153
    Were the wires always there in GF? I assumed they were airbrushed out on prints, like how Superman's wires in the Reeve films were, which the first DVD masters forgot to do.

    Yes. Every VHS edition and SE DVD showed the wires along with the cinematic prints. It was occasionally mentioned in some of the early Bond reference books. I think Raymond Benson notes it in his BEDSIDE COMPANION.

    Also there were wires present when the plane Paul Stassino hijacks lands in the sea in TB. Lowry removed those for the UE DVD.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Creasy47 wrote: »

    I'm sure they will, but I suppose it doesn't hurt to not redeem them either, just in case. Not sure that's ever happened before, though, but you never know.

    I just checked my Vudu account. CASINO (1995) was automatically upgraded to 4K on iTunes once it was available, but it appears that on my Vudu library it remains at HDX, even though they currently offer it in 4K. This goes the same for all the Universal titles I have in my library right now.

    So yeah, holding off on redeeming the codes is probably for best. It's too bad MGM doesn't have a deal with Movies Anywhere, so you'd have access to 4K on other sites like Amazon.
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    I'm very interested in these. Where do they start?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited October 2019 Posts: 8,181
    Here's a screencap from the theatrical trailer for TLD which features the sniper scope vision as it was originally presented in theaters. This is exactly how it appears in the 1988 LaserDisc and VHS copies, before later home video transfers cranked up the green filter and exposure to appear more like how night vision actually appears. In fact the original green filter was so mild that you could make out the shade of white on the wall behind Kara, as well as the blue color of that van that Koskov briefly hides behind as Bond and Saunders first spot him.




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  • Here's a screencap from the theatrical trailer for TLD which features the sniper scope vision as it was originally presented in theaters. This is exactly how it appears in the 1988 LaserDisc and VHS copies, before later home video transfers cranked up the green filter and exposure to appear more like how night vision actually appears. In fact the original green filter was so mild that you could make out the shade of white on the wall behind Kara, as well as the blue color of that van that Koskov briefly hides behind as Bond and Saunders first spot him.




    North American Theatrical Trailer
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    1988 FOX/CBS VHS
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    2000 MGM SE DVD
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    2012 FOX BD
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    2017 iTunes 4K
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    Do we know for definite that it was presented without the green filter in theaters? The fact it's not there in the trailer doesn't mean it wasn't there in the theatrical prints of the film itself.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Given that’s how it also appeared in the 1988 video releases on VHS and LaserDisc, I have to assume there’s truth to it. That’s why I included a screencap for both the trailer and home video.
  • Posts: 16,153
    I remember the colors looking accurate on the 1988 tapes. I had seen TLD 7 times in the cinema, and saw it again during the Brosnan era at a Bond marathon.

    The first time I noticed the green was in the '92 VHS remastered edition.
    Those '92 remastered tapes really changed the colors on many of the films.
    The 1988 VHS and laser-disc I believe were the truest to the cinematic prints for color timing.

    The CBS/Fox version also had the original MGM/UA logos that accompanied the film.

    The completist in me now wants to track down an old VHS copy.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited October 2019 Posts: 8,181
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    The CBS/Fox version also had the original MGM/UA logos that accompanied the film.

    From what I read the blue UA logo that zooms in is the original logo for the UK release prints, as it served as a placeholder before the CGI animated logo was unveiled for the US release. It was also originally silent, as later home video releases starting with the DVD simply made an error in including the "swoosh" sound and synth note of the animated logo. At least according to this site, TLD was the only UA film to feature this variation of the logo.

    http://www.closinglogos.com/page/United+Artists

    EDIT: Someone uploaded the logos from the original UK print! And the UA logo is indeed silent.

  • edited October 2019 Posts: 16,153
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    The CBS/Fox version also had the original MGM/UA logos that accompanied the film.

    From what I read the blue UA logo that zooms in is the original logo for the UK release prints, as it served as a placeholder before the CGI animated logo was unveiled for the US release. It was also originally silent, as later home video releases starting with the DVD simply made an error in including the "swoosh" sound and synth note of the animated logo. At least according to this site, TLD was the only UA film to feature this variation of the logo.

    http://www.closinglogos.com/page/United+Artists

    EDIT: Someone uploaded the logos from the original UK print! And the UA logo is indeed silent.


    That logo was pretty cool. Looks like it was a direct transfer from film. The gunbarrel was excellent.
    Here's a the U.S. version of the logo from that period featured on DAYLIGHTS:




    The CBS/Fox tape I had used a widescreen version. Apparently some copies of that tape included a disclaimer as well. Mine didn't.

  • edited November 2019 Posts: 1,397
    Reviews are up for the Craig 4K set:
    https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/007-The-Daniel-Craig-Collection-4K-Blu-ray/249271/#Review

    Here's the verdict:
    There's a distinct grading at work for the picture qualities of each film; no two are anywhere close to alike, for various reasons: source, quality of presentation, and so on. One film looks perfect (Spectre), one film looks close to perfect (Skyfall), one looked pretty good (Casino Royale), and one teeters on meh (Quantum of Solace). Audio presentations and supplements are all from the films' various Blu-ray presentations. The packaging is nothing remotely special, either. It feels like a slapdash release, but the only major disappointment is Quantum of Solace. Picture qualities are otherwise good-to-perfect but the set is really only worth picking up on a decent sale.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    About to post screencaps of LTK, but first the title sequence. LaserDisc, Blu-ray, and iTunes 4K look about the same with some differences in how color graded the woman's face is. It's the SE DVD though that seems to be veering way off in a different direction, much like FYEO's SE DVD.



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  • About to post screencaps of LTK, but first the title sequence. LaserDisc, Blu-ray, and iTunes 4K look about the same with some differences in how color graded the woman's face is. It's the SE DVD though that seems to be veering way off in a different direction, much like FYEO's SE DVD.



    1994 MGM LD
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    1999 MGM SE DVD
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    2009 FOX BD
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    2017 iTunes 4K
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    While not faithful to the source, that blue hue in the SE DVD actually does look pretty cool.
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