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But whatever the belief, afterlife is at best a "what if". And an unsubstantiated one at that.
Sounds like hell.
That's your own strong view and you're entitled to it of course but I must respectfully differ with you on that point of theology. Hell has no exits.
Then you might want to question the morality of the God who created it.
That is your spin on things. The reality is there has to be a diving of souls.
Here's more on the matter:
Hell is a place of suffering originally prepared by God for the devil and his angels (Matthew 18:9; 25:41). The words Hades (Greek) and Sheol (Hebrew) are sometimes associated with hell. However, Hades/Sheol is simply the place or realm where the spirits of people go when they die (see Genesis 37:35). Hades/Sheol is not necessarily a place of torment because God’s people were said to go there as well as the wicked. In the New Testament, we find that Hades is somehow “compartmentalized.” That is, the realm of the dead is divided into a place of comfort and a place of torment (Luke 16:19–31).
There are other words associated with hell in the Bible such as Gehenna and lake of fire. It is clear that there is an actual place where the spirits of the unsaved go for eternity (Revelation 9:1; 20:15; Matthew 23:33).
Everything that ever was or is or will be is created by God, including hell (Colossians 1:16). John 1:3 says, “All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.” God alone has the power to cast someone into hell (Luke 12:5). Jesus holds the keys of death and Hades (Revelation 1:18).
Jesus said that hell was “prepared” for Satan and the demons (Matthew 25:41). It is a just punishment for the wicked one. Hell, or the lake of fire, will also be the destination for those who reject Christ (2 Peter 2:4–9). The good news is that people can avoid hell. God, in His infinite mercy and love, has made a way of salvation for everyone who trusts in God’s Son, Jesus Christ (John 3:16, 36; 5:24).
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/did-God-create-hell.html#ixzz3cD9JBj7A
Indeed, but let us face the reality. You don't expect Hitler and Churchill to be in the same place do you?
That is your spin on things.
This seems rather convenient, and I'm sure those of other faiths will disagree vehemently.
It all sounds like a load of " " to me, but what do I know.
If you like, yes. And the spin of a good few million people around the world, too.
And a few billion in Hell.
The Charlie Hebdo employees, wonder if they are in Hell or somewhere else? And how about the killers, are they in Heaven? One can only speculate.
As I do not represent the Islamic faith which is a fallacy that is an easy question for me to answer - the murderers are in residing in Hell.
The Brosnan era was such an instant.
And is this hell of those hells that comes equipped with a limbo and/ or a purgatory? A protestant hell or a catholic hell - cos it makes quite a difference?
A Christian hell or an Islamic one? Or for that matter a Buddhist hell?
Shame about the Taoists and Wiccans who don't seem to have a hell.
And that's the problem with faith. That thing that you believe in, whether it is heaven, hell or whether or not you are allowed to eat pork ... whatever ... your beliefs are largely the product of a postcode lottery. If you were born in a different country or a different era then your belief systems would almost certainly be very different to what they are now.
Because of that, how can anyone possibly be so certain of their own faith that they can't lift their eyes and notice that huge parts of planet earth believe in something quite different?
Well said, and thy @Will be done, once.
Thanks. Hail Satan! And Putin, I heard he eats human flesh.
I would not be surprised by that! :))
Children grow up into to adulthood eventually and when they reach a certain age they are quite entitled to discard their religion if they so wish (and of course many do) and that includes the dreaded concept of Hell.
So we can't rely on people discarding their religion if their childhood indoctrination is too strong. And if we are thinking along those lines, surely we teach our kids along the lines of "some people believe" rather than "this is 100% true"?
Why is it called radicalisation when other cultures do it, but it's perfectly okay when we do it?:
All true, but you are forgetting teenage rebellion that occurs perhaps most frequently in the strictest households where there is something moire substantial to rebel against.
Not my spin on things, but an assessment on what the hypothetical (let's be generous) Hell would imply about the morality of the one who created it and set up the criterias to go in it.
But the reality is that there is no evidence whatsoever about the existence on souls and hell. Wishing bad people to go to Hell does not mean there is such a place, your wishes have no bearing over truth.
As for Jesus as a way to save from one's own "sins" (assessed by God) and unworthiness, there is a word for it, and it is protection racket:
I'm an agnostic essentially. I know what I know. I know what can be proven. I'm open to hypotheses and theories, but as long as there is no proof, they remain theories to me, no matter how many people believe them.
At the end of the day, if one has strong beliefs in anything one should stand one's ground and justify them. If they become difficult to justify or debate logically, then that says something. I'm not poking fun at beliefs. I don't have a problem with them unlike some. However, I expect them to be justifiable and make common sense, no matter what the faith.
I've thought about it long and hard, and to me this is somewhat like love. One is entitled to love someone even if that person is less than ideal. Even if that person is abusive. Even if that person is not good for you. It's irrational. It makes no sense - but no one questions it. Why? Because it's personal. It's a one on one thing. I don't have a problem with religion on a one on one basis for healing and comfort. I do take issue when it is taken as a basis in fact/gospel and shoved down others throats (I'm not suggesting anyone is doing it here though).
At the end of the day, I'm all for logical debate. I'm open to changing my mind. The argument must be persuasive though.